Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[MacGregor]

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[avenue94]

You were portraying it like Abrego's team was willing to do Costa Rica deportation, but DHS was unreasonable. But deportation to Costa Rica alone was never on the table.

He's agreed that deportation there is suitable. However, instead of aiming for that, the DOJ is making it contingent on a guilty plea. In other words, they want him to forfeit his day in court to cover up what's likely shoddy police work and prosecution.

No one made the DOJ indict and prosecute, it's a self inflicted delay.

We're not in control of Uganda. Once he's there, that's up to them.

That's what legal agreements between countries are for. And again, his case would be much weaker if the government hadn't proven its duplicity and lack of regard for due process and civil rights by deporting him to CECOT in the first place.

Government prosecution typically always tries to get a plea deal due to expense of a trial. This is universally almost always the case.

Of course, and when that deal is rejected they usually move to trial. So nut or up shut up time for DOJ.

You keep saying they ignored the Constitution but can't name specifically how that happened.

They ignored this little thing called the 14th Amendment. There are multiple court rulings on this, your ignorance of the Constitution is a you problem. Read a book or something.

I'm sick of hearing about this guy that should have been deported 10 years ago. We literally just spent millions of dollars already on this one fucktard that has zero right to be here.

He is definitely a wife beater. He is definitely illegal with no status - not even an asylum claim. Definitely got arrested with drugs and rolls of cash while being with 2 MS-13 members at initial arrest.

And almost certainly MS-13 based on the multiple times he was connected to them - ex-wife's husband naming him as a gang member a year before his arrest in court documents, his initial arrest with MS-13 members, his initial claim that he was afraid of MS-13 rival, Barrio-18, tattoos all over his knuckles, testimony by known MS-13 members that he was MS-13 as well, etc.

Yea pretty fucking sure he's MS-13 then. I DGAF WTF happens to him. He's a wife beater, illegal and almost certainly a gang member. Fuck this guy. Enough money was spent on him. GTFO.

You cast doubt as "utter bullshit" when I mentioned the gang crackdown in El Salvador and how Barrio-18 is pretty much a non threat now. Uhmm the gang crackdown in El Salvador is real and well documented.


No they don't need to make that argument in court. Not according to existing law that is. Because the Supreme Court already ruled people can be deported to a third country.

There's no statute that says "You can only be deported to a third party country if you get a guarantee they won't send them to their home country."

Show me that law. There's no statute that says that. And deportations have always been under the sole discretion of the executive branch.

I don't know why they did that and that's completely irrelevant.

His crackdown is only relevant to this story because Abrego Garcia said he's afraid of Barrio-18 persecution. Well Barrio-18 is basically defunct now.

Nothing to fear of Barrio-18 if he went back as a civilian. Even though that pupusa story was obvious bullshit to begin with.

Well the demonstration will have its chance to make the case for all these claims in court, which they have failed to do so so far. That's how the justice system works, sorry you hate America.

 

[Hog-train]

He's agreed that deportation there is suitable. However, instead of aiming for that, the DOJ is making it contingent on a guilty plea. In other words, they want him to forfeit his day in court to cover up what's likely shoddy police work and prosecution.

The US is under no obligation to deport him where he wants. GTFO. Guy is a wife beating criminal and illegal.

And to say they want him to forfeit his day in court is pure conjecture on your part. You can literally say this about every single criminal trial then since they try to do a plea on 99.9% of trials.

That's what legal agreements between countries are for. And again, his case would be much weaker if the government hadn't proven its duplicity and lack of regard for due process and civil rights by deporting him to CECOT in the first place.

You want the United States to have a legal agreement with every country on Earth to appease the demands of illegals being deported whose home countries won't take them in? LMAO.

Why not just send all criminal illegal migrants to the Bahamas all expenses paid?

They ignored this little thing called the 14th Amendment. There are multiple court rulings on this, your ignorance of the Constitution is a you problem. Read a book or something.

You have yet to explain how migrants being deported did not get due process. Be specific.

If you didn't know, there is this thing called expedited removal which has been the law for decades and used by literally every single US President to deport people. That IS due proess.

Well the demonstration will have its chance to make the case for all these claims in court, which they have failed to do so so far. That's how the justice system works, sorry you hate America.

They did have a chance to make their claims in court about the deportation issue. Twice. Are you supposed to get unlimited frivolous appeals for the millions of illegal migrants in this country? So he gets to stay for years and years as he does BS appeal after appeal? His initial claim of fear of El Salvador was obvious BS to begin with.

An activist judge is circumventing the normal process for political reasons because the left has made this guy their mascot.

And the leftist media fucked up because they didn't realize he was a wife beater and criminal when they started calling him "Maryland dad" initially.

 

[avenue94]

The US is under no obligation to deport him where he wants. GTFO. Guy is a wife beating criminal and illegal.

And to say they want him to forfeit his day in court is pure conjecture on your part. You can literally say this about every single criminal trial then since they try to do a plea on 99.9% of trials.

The US is under obligation to ensure he doesn't get deported to El Salvador (again). That the administration has a massive credibility gap deficit with federal courts is 100% its own fault after lying and violating the constitution repeatedly in this instance. It was so bad even his handpicked Supreme Court couldn't invent an excuse for him.

You want the United States to have a legal agreement with every country on Earth to appease the demands of illegals being deported whose home countries won't take them in? LMAO.

Why not just send all criminal illegal migrants to the Bahamas all expenses paid?

If the concern is that immigrants will be deported again to nasty countries, find a third country (or however many you need) and strike an agreement to ensure it doesn't' happen. You don't need to negotiate with every single country on the planet.

You have yet to explain how migrants being deported did not get due process. Be specific.

If you didn't know, there is this thing called expedited removal which has been the law for decades and used by literally every single US President to deport people. That IS due proess.

Yes, and expedited removal isn't this case. I'm been very clear: This man's rights were flagrantly violated by the government, as affirmed by multiple court rulings.

Are you going to keep playing dumb and pretend this isn't the case?

They did have a chance to make their claims in court about the deportation issue. Twice. Are you supposed to get unlimited frivolous appeals for the millions of illegal migrants in this country? So he gets to stay for years and years as he does BS appeal after appeal? HIs initial claim of fear of El Salvador was obvious BS to begin with.

An activist judge is circumventing the normal process for political reasons because the left has made this guy their mascot.

And the leftist media fucked up because they didn't realize he was a wife beater and criminal when they started calling him "Maryland dad" initially.

Are you seriously arguing it's more normal to invoke the AEA and ignore due process in this case than it is for a federal judge to review appeals from residents?


Talk about embracing fascist ideology: We must have action, who cares about due process or cutting corners, what's important is we do something, even if it's dumb and causes more problems down the road!

 

[Hog-train]

The US is under obligation to ensure he doesn't get deported to El Salvador (again). That the administration has a massive credibility gap deficit with federal courts is 100% its own fault after lying and violating the constitution repeatedly in this instance. It was so bad even his handpicked Supreme Court couldn't invent an excuse for him.

The only obligation the US is under is to not deport him to El Salvador directly. That's all the original withholding of removal says.

And you've given zero proof or any sign that Uganda will deport him to El Salvador. That is pure conjecture by his lawyers and just an excuse.

If the concern is that immigrants will be deported again to nasty countries, find a third country (or however many you need) and strike an agreement to ensure it doesn't' happen. You don't need to negotiate with every single country on the planet.

The problem is no one wants to take another countries deportees. Especially shitty ones that have gang ties and are wife beaters. So we basically have to bribe them with concessions. No "nice country" is going to take loads of our unwanted illegal deportees. They themselves are trying to deport their own illegals.

And additionally that's not our problem if illegal migrants don't want to be deported to "nasty countries."

They come from shitty third world countries in the first place and expect us to spend all this money and political power to make sure they get sent to their preferred destinations? Yea GTFO.

Yes, and expedited removal isn't this case. I'm been very clear: This man's rights were flagrantly violated by the government, as affirmed by multiple court rulings.

The only fuck up is that they didn't do the paperwork to get rid of his withholding of removal order to El Salvador. It honestly would have been better if they just sent him to Sudan or Uganda initially. Then there would be no issue.

Are you seriously arguing it's more normal to invoke the AEA and ignore due process in this case than it is for a federal judge to review appeals from residents?


Talk about embracing fascist ideology: We must have action, who cares about due process or cutting corners, what's important is we do something, even if it's dumb and causes more problems down the road!

I'm arguing it's not a violation of due process for Trump to used the AEA to do expedited removal.

Expedited removal includes due process because it has a credible fear interview.

You're just under this false impression that "full due process" in immigration matters includes a judge and appeals similar to a criminal trial.

That's not the case at all and not how the immigration system works.

Obama and Biden literally did millions of expedited removals with only a fast credible fear interview as "due process."

Expedited removal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[avenue94]

The only obligation the US is under is to not deport him to El Salvador directly. That's all the original withholding of removal says.

And you've given zero proof or any sign that Uganda will deport him to El Salvador. That is pure conjecture by his lawyers and just an excuse.

It's not my job to provide that proof. I'm noting that that is the concern in this current case. It's up to the court system whether this argument is valid or tossed out.

The problem is no one wants to take another countries deportees. Especially shitty ones that have gang ties and are wife beaters. So we basically have to bribe them with concessions. No "nice country" is going to take loads of our unwanted illegal deportees. They themselves are trying to deport their own illegals.

And additionally that's not our problem if illegal migrants don't want to be deported to "nasty countries."

They come from shitty third world countries in the first place and expect us to spend all this money and political power to make sure they get sent to their preferred destinations? Yea GTFO.

Always with the strawmen. No one is saying they get to pick what country they want to get deported to. However, if they have a fear of being deported to a certain country, a fear which was already deemed valid, the US shouldn't deport them to that place.

And lol, you're Korean bro. Shitty third world country is what most Americans would have called the Korea your dad emigrated from until the 80s or 90s. Talk about no self awareness.

The only fuck up is that they didn't do the paperwork to get rid of his withholding of removal order to El Salvador. It honestly would have been better if they just sent him to Sudan or Uganda initially. Then there would be no issue.=

That's called a 5th and 14th Amendment violation, followed by additional violations while Trump defied the courts.

"Doing paperwork" is the literal difference between a lawful imprisonment or execution and kidnapping and murder. That's how countries work.

I'm arguing it's not a violation of due process for Trump to used the AEA to do expedited removal.

It is when you don't provide sufficient notice and you ignore the literal letter and spirt of the law. Are we are war or being invaded by Venezuela or any other country?

I also never said a trial is required for due process. Yet another straw man.

 

[Hog-train]

Always with the strawmen. No one is saying they get to pick what country they want to get deported to. However, if they have a fear of being deported to a certain country, a fear which was already deemed valid, the US shouldn't deport them to that place.

And lol, you're Korean bro. Shitty third world country is what most Americans would have called the Korea your dad emigrated from until the 80s or 90s. Talk about no self awareness.

A fear alone is not enough to warrant not being sent to a country for deportation.

WTF does me being Korean have to do with anything. If I came into a country illegally, I expect to get deported if I get caught.

That's called a 5th and 14th Amendment violation, followed by additional violations while Trump defied the courts.

"Doing paperwork" is the literal difference between a lawful imprisonment or execution and kidnapping and murder. That's how countries work.

Yea I already said the US fucked up by sending him to El Salvador initially.

What I'm arguing against is that sending him now to Uganda is not a violation of his Constitutional Rights.

It is when you don't provide sufficient notice and you ignore the literal letter and spirt of the law. Are we are war or being invaded by Venezuela or any other country?

The entire point of expedited removal is that it's fairly fast. That is literally in the name of the law - "EXPEDITED."

So I don't know WTF you're saying about the spirit of the law. Expedited removal is literally designed to deport people quickly and efficiently.

I also never said a trial is required for due process. Yet another straw man.

So you're not demanding a trial as part of due process, but are against the expedited removals.

So what kind of due process do you want to happen then?

 

[avenue94]

A fear alone is not enough to warrant not being sent to a country for deportation.

WTF does me being Korean have to do with anything. If I came into a country illegally, I expect to get deported if I get caught.

The judge feels differently due to the administration's duplicity. We'll see what the ruling and appeals are.

And sure buddy. Don't come crying when you realize that weakening due process for outgroups weakens due process for all people and the government turns against you or your pet causes.

Yea I already said the US fucked up by sending him to El Salvador initially.

What I'm arguing against is that sending him now to Uganda is not a violation of his Constitutional Rights.

And that's what the court case is to determine. Can you at least acknowledge that it's incredibly unusual and veering close to equal protection violations to try and strongarm someone into accepting a guilty plea with the stick of deportation?

The entire point of expedited removal is that it's fairly fast. That is literally in the name of the law - "EXPEDITED."

So I don't know WTF you're saying about the spirit of the law. Expedited removal is literally designed to deport people quickly and efficiently.

The AEA is not meant to be used for immigration purposes, it's only meant for wartime. Are we are war with Venezuela?

Expedited also doesn't equal no notice, which is what the government did in those instances.

So you're not demanding a trial as part of due process, but are against the expedited removals.

So what kind of due process do you want to happen then?

Depends on the case and situation. Broadly speaking, I'm opposed to abusing the AEA and believe deportees deserve sufficient notice to challenge the order. If you want to use expedited removal, use it narrowly to avoid constitutional violations.

 

[Hog-train]

And sure buddy. Don't come crying when you realize that weakening due process for outgroups weakens due process for all people and the government turns against you or your pet causes.

Yet you have still not specified how expedited removal is a lack of due process. Expedited removal has been the law for decades since the Clinton years.

All you're saying is "He didn't get full due process!" over and over without actually specifying HOW he's not getting full due process.

And that's what the court case is to determine. Can you at least acknowledge that it's incredibly unusual and veering close to equal protection violations to try and strongarm someone into accepting a guilty plea with the stick of deportation?

No the unusual thing is that an illegal who has been here for a decade, is a wife beater, arrested twice and detained and has two deportation orders is still here years later. That he got a last minute Hail Mary withholding of removal granted.

The unusual thing are activist judges getting involved and the media making him a mascot.

The AEA is not meant to be used for immigration purposes, it's only meant for wartime. Are we are war with Venezuela?

Well that is going to be decided by the Supreme Court.

Expedited also doesn't equal no notice, which is what the government did in those instances.

Yes it does. You have very little notice when expedited removal is used. Just Google what expedited removal is FFS and stop repeating incorrect points.

 

[avenue94]

Yet you have still not specified how expedited removal is a lack of due process. Expedited removal has been the law for decades since the Clinton years.

All you're saying is "He didn't get full due process!" over and over without actually specifying HOW he's not getting full due process.



No the unusual thing is that an illegal who has been here for a decade, is a wife beater, arrested twice and detained and has two deportation orders is still here years later. That he got a last minute Hail Mary withholding of removal granted.

The unusual thing are activists judges getting involved and the media making him a mascot.



Well that is going to be decided by the Supreme Court.



Yes it does. You have very little notice when expedited removal is used. Just Google what expedited removal is FFS and stop repeating incorrect points.

How are you this dense? Quote where I said expedited removal is inherently lacking due process.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Extreme cringe warning..

"They want to send him to a country he doesn't speak the language"
He apparently doesn't speak the language here either, so whats the difference, lol.

 

[Hog-train]

How are you this dense? Quote where I said expedited removal is inherently lacking due process.

They're trying to use expedited removal for Abrego Garcia to Uganda. You're saying that's a lack of due process.

 

[avenue94]

They're trying to use expedited removal for Abrego Garcia to Uganda. You're saying that's a lack of due process.

I'm saying that the process in this case is being applied unusually and that a judge has expressed concerns as to this specific case.

Quote where I said there's a lack of due process. You keep butchering basic English comprehension.

 

[Hog-train]

I'm saying that the process in this case is being applied unusually and that a judge has expressed concerns as to this specific case.

Quote where I said there's a lack of due process. You keep butchering basic English comprehension.

The fuck? You've mentioned due process several times ITT and also referenced his Constitutional rights and the 5th and 14th Amendments.

The only thing from those Amendments that could apply to him are due process rights.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

The fuck? You've mentioned due process several times ITT and also referenced his Constitutional rights and the 5th and 14th Amendments.

The only thing from those Amendments that could apply to him are due process rights.

He already got his due process back in 2018 when he got his deportation order.

 

[avenue94]

The fuck? You've mentioned due process several times ITT and also referenced his Constitutional rights and the 5th and 14th Amendments.

The only thing from those Amendments that could apply to him are due process rights.

You don't think the 5th incorporates equal protection?

And yes, he has at time not received due process, which is separate from other due process issues I raised more broadly.

 

[HereticBD]

LOL @avenue94 going from "due process" to "unusual process".

That's a tap.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I am glad this thread has sparked such great discussion, sherdog is bless

 

[avenue94]

LOL @avenue94 going from "due process" to "unusual process".

That's a tap.

Oh look another Canadian who doesn't understand the basics of US civics and its constitutional order. Always fascinating to see someone so proudly ignorant spout laughably wrong opinions.

 

[HereticBD]

Oh look another Canadian who doesn't understand the basics of US civics and its constitutional order. Always fascinating to see someone so proudly ignorant spout laughably wrong opinions.

Derr, civics, derr....

Is that your go to, when you're wrong? So lame.

You got son'd, bruh. You're the one not understanding what you're talking about, which is why you lightened your stance and not so cleverly changed your language. LOL.