Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[Fox by the Sea]

Sure, can we agree that escalating to the user of military force to contain a protest is less than ideal?

yes, with the asterisk that this agreement is valid as long as the local leadership has shown will and ability to contain and pacify the protests.

And that civil police under state and local officials should exhaust their options before the president escalates to the use of soldiers?

yes, with the caveat above.
from afar it looks like even though the local police may be willing to contain the riots, the signals from the political leaders go from timid to almost support for the protests. you cannot have a functioning local police 100% committed to the job as long as the hierarchy isn't there 100%.

leaders throughout history brought around outside legions to stomp on local protests when they were not confident the locals we doing the job. and in this case its not that the LA cops can't do it, but it's about the local politicians offering Trump on a platter the opportunity to claim political casus belli.

so it's a lot of shit going on:
- local politicians not having the backs of the law enforcement
- credible info about potential foreign money involved
- LA politicians looking from either weak and hysterical to outright treasonous
- opportunity for a sly politician like Trump to play savior, because i'd bet most of the country doesn't agree with mexican flag waving dudes setting cars on fire as a solid direction for america.

etc etc

 

[Kingz]

 

[Islam Imamate]

yes, with the asterisk that this agreement is valid as long as the local leadership has shown will and ability to contain and pacify the protests.

yes, with the caveat above.
from afar it looks like even though the local police may be willing to contain the riots, the signals from the political leaders go from timid to almost support for the protests. you cannot have a functioning local police 100% committed to the job as long as the hierarchy isn't there 100%.

leaders throughout history brought around outside legions to stomp on local protests when they were not confident the locals we doing the job. and in this case its not that the LA cops can't do it, but it's about the local politicians offering Trump on a platter the opportunity to claim political casus belli.

so it's a lot of shit going on:
- local politicians not having the backs of the law enforcement
- credible info about potential foreign money involved
- LA politicians looking from either weak and hysterical to outright treasonous
- opportunity for a sly politician like Trump to play savior, because i'd bet most of the country doesn't agree with mexican flag waving dudes setting cars on fire as a solid direction for america.

etc etc

At that point anyone can come up with a flimsy pretense to deploy troops to suppress protests they don't like with such a generous caveat.

America is supposed to be a federal republic where states and localities have autonomy which is generally deferred to. In this case though because of the optics Trump wants to run roughshod over all those norms as he is prone to doing.

 

[ShadowRun]

That’s the job of local government. The fact that it even became a national headline is LA and California’s fault. Better get your ignorant ass to the library cause you haven’t read enough books.

The federal government is trying to do their job with ICE. People are trying to interfere and hinder ICE. If local resources are not helping it’s the best interest of Feds helping Feds. The dumb games being played for the 20/80 agenda is shocking.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yeah, that clip was upsetting. That idiot shouldn’t get any toys to play with. Give him a shield and that’s it.

In light of that can you see why I wouldn't just trust the cops here by default? Given that example of the reporter being shot do you think there's a chance the man in the video Ngo posted might also not having been doing anything wrong before being shot?

 

[ShadowRun]

Big deal I bet the store has insurance , protesting racial injustice is way more important.

 

[method115]

Who in Alabama is committing all those murders?

I don't know but wild to come after Newsom about third world country while you have third highest murder rate in the country. I can't stand Newsom but he's not an idiot when it comes to politics he knows how play the game.

 

[AmonTobin]

 

[ShadowRun]

Oh know another constitutional crisis is occurring , what’s next AOC getting fake arrest again or crying at cages ?

 

[AmonTobin]

 

[AmonTobin]

 

[oldshadow]

Sure, can we agree that escalating to the user of military force to contain a protest is less than ideal? And that civil police under state and local officials should exhaust their options before the president escalates to the use of soldiers?

They were attacking ICE agents and the police could not or would not stop it. That's when the guard was sent.

 

[ShadowRun]

They were attacking ICE agents and the police could not or would not stop it. That's when the guard was sent.

Thought that was obvious lol

 

[Deleted member 592570]

I don't know

Sure you do

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Hey trump. Did you see Elon posted the real reason you haven’t released the Epstein files?

He did? Quick,deploy the military some place to distract people!!!

 

[Islam Imamate]

They were attacking ICE agents and the police could not or would not stop it. That's when the guard was sent.

Why not defer to state and local officials as is the norm? IIRC the last time the National Guard was nationalized by the president was in the 60s, seems like a pretty drastic move.

Further, perhaps ICE and DHS officials driving around in unmarked vans and grabbing people in plain clothes is partly to blame for the unrest. Why enforce the law in such a provocative and fear inducing manner? Don't you see how that approach helped spark the unrest?

 

[PBAC]

''This is our city and this was Mexico. You can't kick us out of the land that was ours.''

Wut?

 

[b34stmode]

lol… ok

That video mentions nothing about helping ICE. This video is also from 2 days ago, when the protest first started. You realize nothing at all happened last night, and these "riots" are basically done? What was even the point of this post? lol

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Hey trump. Did you see Elon posted the real reason you haven’t released the Epstein files?

He did? Quick,deploy the military some place to distract people!!!

How quickly you guys became conspiracy theorists lmao

 

[Fox by the Sea]

At that point anyone can come up with a flimsy pretense to deploy troops to suppress protests they don't like with such a generous caveat.

Well were the local politicians on the record about enforcing the law and supporting the law intervention? cause it objectively doesn't look like it. it's not a flimsy pretense, it's a pretty solid casus belli that Trump, granted, like a sly politicians he is, is taking advantage of.

In this case though because of the optics

Trumps wasn't doing the optics himself. he had plenty of help from the local politicians.
Again, it's obvious Trump is taking advantage of the situation. But perhaps the locals shouldn't have allowed it to reach the "situation" stage.