Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

Rob Battisti said:
The folks in Massachusetts must be so pissed
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Oh, there's a good number of us who are very happy.

DoctorTaco said:
I hear what you’re saying, but we were spending a million a day and guardsman were walking about picking up trash. Yes, violent crime is down compared to what it was a year ago, but that was true before the troops got there. The numbers in mid July show a 20% drop from the year prior. No murders for a week and a half is a sad thing to have to brag about, but it’s still good news. DC had hit that same mark several times this year before the troops got there. Arrest numbers are up but as many as 20% of those charges are being dropped.
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I don't want it to be a permanent solution and I obviously expect crime levels may rise again once they leave. I hate complaining about the cost when lives are being saved/protected. Seeing all those videos of the thankful residents really says a lot. Sometimes, it's more than just crime stats. The quality of life for everyone improves and you can actually walk the streets in relative peace again. Trump just embarrassed the local politicians who shrug their shoulders at crime rates and showed that something can actually be done. No the NG isn't a permanent solution. Maybe we should stop demonizing police and get them more funding to hire more officers. Let's not look at crime ridden cities as just a fact of life and actually do something about it.
 
HereticBD said:
DC isn't a state. It's under direct jurisdiction of the Feds.

And you can look at individual crime stats to see the difference they're making, like car jackings alone being down something like 80% since their arrival.
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Dc is a funny example because of that, however you slice it the local government didn’t ask for the national guard.

In July Car jacking were down 87% from where they were in 2023. In June they were down 73% for that same timeline.

Are there are stats out there that compare car jackings from July to August 2025?
 
DoctorTaco said:
Dc is a funny example because of that, however you slice it the local government didn’t ask for the national guard.
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However you slice it, it doesn't matter because they are under jurisdiction of the Feds.

In terms of the stats, they're down. No, I don't have those specific details you asked for, but crime in general is down from where it was before they arrived. If you want to argue that they would be down anyways, you can try, but all we really know for a fact, is that crime has gone down since they were deployed.
 
No way he gets 10 years, but he certainly deserves it.

www.foxnews.com

Tow truck driver slapped with federal charge after hauling away ICE vehicle: 'He can laugh behind bars'

Los Angeles tow truck driver charged with theft of government property after allegedly interfering with ICE immigration enforcement operation on August 15.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

Tow truck driver slapped with federal charge after hauling away ICE vehicle: 'He can laugh behind bars'​

Bobby Nunez faces up to 10 years in federal prison after TikTok videos helped track him down​

 
Confucamus said:
Oh, there's a good number of us who are very happy.


I don't want it to be a permanent solution and I obviously expect crime levels may rise again once they leave. I hate complaining about the cost when lives are being saved/protected. Seeing all those videos of the thankful residents really says a lot. Sometimes, it's more than just crime stats. The quality of life for everyone improves and you can actually walk the streets in relative peace again. Trump just embarrassed the local politicians who shrug their shoulders at crime rates and showed that something can actually be done. No the NG isn't a permanent solution. Maybe we should stop demonizing police and get them more funding to hire more officers. Let's not look at crime ridden cities as just a fact of life and actually do something about it.
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One of my favorite scenes in the wire is when hamsterdam is in full effect and you get to see all the residents on the corners enjoying their communities together. From what I’ve read the crime stats have been trending down pretty significantly year over year since 2020. It does feel gross to say that there’s any price to saving lives and this whole convo can trend that way. I’d love to see those millions of dollars addressing the circumstances that lead people down a path of drugs and criminality and working to intervene before it’s too late.

I believe in police reform too. 55k a year isn’t enough, (though I know when you start stacking OT it can climb significantly) to attract the kinds of people who should be cops to begin with. We also have to break the culture in the police world of good cops covering for bad. Doctortaco’s police reform rant ———>
Pay them more and hold them to a higher standard of conduct. Pay them more and provide more training. Pay them more and take a significant amount of duties off of their plate and pass it off to people better trained and equipped for those tasks. A cop in a cruiser on a 12 hour shift could be responding to a traffic accident, a domestic disturbance, gang violence, teenagers skating in a parking lot, a drug overdose, a naked dude barking at the moon in traffic, a cow that is running around in traffic, an obstinate junior high kid at school, plus a dozen other things I can’t begin to imagine. That’s expecting too much of one person with one job expectation of “law enforcement”.
 
HereticBD said:
However you slice it, it doesn't matter because they are under jurisdiction of the Feds.

In terms of the stats, they're down. No, I don't have those specific details you asked for, but crime in general is down from where it was before they arrived. If you want to argue that they would be down anyways, you can try, but all we really know for a fact, is that crime has gone down since they were deployed.
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I don’t know enough about constitutional law to thread the needle on DC being a federal jurisdiction and thus not needing a govenor’s request to bring in the national guard, so I’ll cede the point for DC but hold my stance on it being unconstitutional in any other state. (There’s a golden “concession accepted” chance for you right there)

Crime has been trending down in dc all year, Both before and during the national guard’s deployment. To say it’s bc of the guard when we can’t prove it reminds me of a small town and their “bear problem”
 
Confucamus said:
No way he gets 10 years, but he certainly deserves it.

www.foxnews.com

Tow truck driver slapped with federal charge after hauling away ICE vehicle: 'He can laugh behind bars'

Los Angeles tow truck driver charged with theft of government property after allegedly interfering with ICE immigration enforcement operation on August 15.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

Tow truck driver slapped with federal charge after hauling away ICE vehicle: 'He can laugh behind bars'​

Bobby Nunez faces up to 10 years in federal prison after TikTok videos helped track him down​

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Basically an insurrectionist, undermining the federal government. Should be made an example of and given solitary confinement in a DC federal prison. Fuck em
 
Confucamus said:
That's not a very honest take, to put it lightly. They didn't need to be chasing down criminals to have a measurable effect. Their presence itself was a massive deterrent to commit crime and there is ample evidence that citizens had a positive view of this effect.
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Did the majority of DC residents support the deployment or not?
 
HereticBD said:
DC isn't a state. It's under direct jurisdiction of the Feds.

And you can look at individual crime stats to see the difference they're making, like car jackings alone being down something like 80% since their arrival.
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How would you guys feel if we sent our National Guard in and cleaned up your moose problem?
 
HereticBD said:
How are they even measuring that? They get paid a salary and are deployed to where they need to be and then do their jobs. Where is the million dollars a day coming from?
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And in a development that shocks no one, Canadian Trumper doesn't understand how the national guard works and thinks they draw a regular salary.
 
avenue94 said:
Did the majority of DC residents support the deployment or not?
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I didn't say majority, but if you have the info on how many residents were unhappy the crime rate went to zero feel free to post it.
 
Confucamus said:
I didn't say majority, but if you have the info on how many residents were unhappy the crime rate went to zero feel free to post it.
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First of all, lol at zero. Second, and more importantly, if you're arguing that the solution to crime is to police cities with the military, then you are arguing for authoritarianism. Of course, you'd make that argument because, in such a scenario, the fantasy is that the military isn't policing you.
 
avenue94 said:
And in a development that shocks no one, Canadian Trumper doesn't understand how the national guard works and thinks they draw a regular salary.
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Oooh', ya got me flubbing "salary". Go celebrate, big dog!
 
Limbo Pete said:
First of all, lol at zero. Second, and more importantly, if you're arguing that the solution to crime is to police cities with the military, then you are arguing for authoritarianism. Of course, you'd make that argument because, in such a scenario, the fantasy is that the military isn't policing you.
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I've said several times I don't want the NG to be a long term solution anywhere.
 
HereticBD said:
Yeah, and Kamala Harris was up 3 points in Iowa. What do you think the "methodology" was in that "gold standard" poll?

Funny thing about polls, is that they can be easily manipulated to say what you want them to. Even funnier, is that political hacks know this, and do it quite regularly.
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Seems to be a randomly distributed sample with an acceptable programming and moe to me. What's your methodological critique of this survey?
 
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