Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[Lycandroid]

The only reason Obama was able to deport at such a high rate was that he was catching tons at the border and using expedited removal.

The border under Trump is basically closed because they're not trying to sneak in anymore. So he has the much harder job of finding them in the middle of the country.

If your position is that you want illegal immigrants in your country you should be opposed to whoever is stopping those people, no matter where they are apprehended.

 

[Hog-train]

If your position is that you want illegal immigrants in your country you should be opposed to whoever is stopping those people, no matter where they are apprehended.

What? I'm for mass deportations.

 

[Lycandroid]

What? I'm for mass deportations.

Good as you should, democrats supported Obama doing so they should support Trump doing the same.

 

[BFoe]

Good as you should, democrats supported Obama doing so they should support Trump doing the same.

It’s not the act of deporting someone that’s my issue. My issue is throwing people in foreign prisons with no way out. These people are not charged with crimes, and some haven’t even broken any laws.

If you want to charge an undocumented immigrant, they need to be charged by the US, tried by our courts, and sentenced in the US.

Many times we skip that and decide to just deport, in which case the person should be free to go in the country we send them back to. Wtf are we throwing people in fucked up foreign concentration camps for? A deportation is a remedy for a civil offense.

 

[Hog-train]

It’s not the act of deporting someone that’s my issue. My issue is throwing people in foreign prisons with no way out. These people are not charged with crimes, and some haven’t even broken any laws.

If you want to charge an undocumented immigrant, they need to be charged by the US, tried by our courts, and sentenced in the US.

Many times we skip that and decide to just deport, in which case the person should be free to go in the country we send them back to. Wtf are we throwing people in fucked up foreign concentration camps for? A deportation is a remedy for a civil offense.

1. The US is not directly throwing people into prison. They sent 225 people to El Salvador and Bukele decided to put them into CECOT. The US has no jurisdiction what Bukele does to deportees after they're sent there. Those 225 have now been exchanged to Venezuela BTW.

2. The vast majority of people being deported are being sent to their home countries.

3. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how immigration court works. There is no trial or jury or sentencing and never has been. Immigration court is not criminal court. It's an administrative hearing.

4. Being caught undocumented in the country is a civil offense. But entering the country illegally is a criminal offense. Sections 1325 ("illegal entry") and 1326 ("illegal reentry") of Chapter 8 of the U.S. Code.

 

[Zazen]

1. The US is not directly throwing people into prison. They sent 225 people to El Salvador and Bukele decided to put them into CECOT. The US has no jurisdiction what Bukele does to deportees after they're sent there. Those 225 have now been exchanged to Venezuela BTW.

2. The vast majority of people being deported are being sent to their home countries.

3. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how immigration court works. There is no trial or jury or sentencing and never has been. Immigration court is not criminal court. It's an administrative hearing.

4. Being caught undocumented in the country is a civil offense. But entering the country illegally is a criminal offense. Sections 1325 ("illegal entry") and 1326 ("illegal reentry") of Chapter 8 of the U.S. Code.

Lmao. Stopped reading after number one. What twisted logic is that? Oh hey guys, we don’t actually send them to prison. We just sent them to another country knowing that their leader would throw them in prison lmao. Man you fell off lately. So long you’ve been larping as this enlightened centrist

 

[Hog-train]

Lmao. Stopped reading after number one. What twisted logic is that? Oh hey guys, we don’t actually send them to prison. We just sent them to another country knowing that their leader would throw them in prison lmao. Man you fell off lately. So long you’ve been larping as this enlightened centrist

Most of the people sent to CECOT are actually El Salvadorean citizens. With a large chunk that are indeed criminals. Bukele can decide to hold them anywhere else. That's up to him.

So where else would the US send El Salvadoreans that are illegal?

 

[avenue94]

1. The US is not directly throwing people into prison. They sent 225 people to El Salvador and Bukele decided to put them into CECOT. The US has no jurisdiction what Bukele does to deportees after they're sent there. Those 225 have now been exchanged to Venezuela BTW.

2. The vast majority of people being deported are being sent to their home countries.

3. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how immigration court works. There is no trial or jury or sentencing and never has been. Immigration court is not criminal court. It's an administrative hearing.

4. Being caught undocumented in the country is a civil offense. But entering the country illegally is a criminal offense. Sections 1325 ("illegal entry") and 1326 ("illegal reentry") of Chapter 8 of the U.S. Code.

If we have no authority of where deportees ended up, how did we get then back? And why are we even paying a tinpot dictator in the first place?

 

[MacGregor]

 

[I Am Legion]

ICE is kicking ass with MS13 on Long Island. We are loving it. 1600 illegals with gang ties or criminal pending charges were removes last week. Leave the workers alone, get the criminals.

 

[Hog-train]

If we have no authority of where deportees ended up, how did we get then back? And why are we even paying a tinpot dictator in the first place?

We only got one person back - Abrego Garcia. And that happened because we formally asked the El Salvadorean government.

The rest were already exchanged with Venezuela. The "gay makeup artist" that everyone was all up in arms was sent back home 3 weeks ago.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

ICE is kicking ass with MS13 on Long Island. We are loving it. 1600 illegals with gang ties or criminal pending charges were removes last week. Leave the workers alone, get the criminals.

That's amazing

 

[ShadowRun]

Is this one of those "unpopular" policies of Trump people yell about, it doesn't seem that way.

 

[avenue94]

We only got one person back - Abrego Garcia. And that happened because we formally asked the El Salvadorean government.

The rest were already exchanged with Venezuela. The "gay makeup artist" that everyone was all up in arms was sent back home 3 weeks ago.

Ah yes, Schrodinger's authority. We don't have the power over detainees being sent to an inhumane prison even though we paid for said delivery and visited that prison for a nice photo op, except when we have the power to get them back.

Yup yup.

 

[Hog-train]

Ah yes, Schrodinger's authority. We don't have the power over detainees being sent to an inhumane prison even though we paid for said delivery and visited that prison for a nice photo op, except when we have the power to get them back.

Yup yup.

Yea I don't care. The majority were indeed criminals or had ties to gangs and were from El Salvador. The ones that didn't were from Venezuela and also either had gang ties or criminal records. The ones that didn't have gang ties were sent there because Venezuela wouldn't accept them back.

But they would eventually accept them back from El Salvador - hence why they were sent there.

No one is detained for life. They all made it back to Venezuela. So I don't care. Point blank - stop coming in illegally.

A lot of people coming from countries that do not accept their deportees back are knowingly taking that risk that they will be deported to a third country. On top of that, there are often a dozen countries they traveled through to get here where they could have tried for asylum.

 

[avenue94]

Yea I don't care. The majority were indeed criminals or had ties to gangs and were from El Salvador. The ones that didn't were from Venezuela and also either had gang ties or criminal records. The ones that didn't have gang ties were sent there because Venezuela wouldn't accept them back.

But they would eventually accept them back from El Salvador - hence why they were sent there.

No one is detained for life. They all made it back to Venezuela. So I don't care. Point blank - stop coming in illegally.

A lot of people coming from countries that do not accept their deportees back are knowingly taking that risk that they will be deported to a third country. On top of that, there are often a dozen countries they traveled through to get here where they could have tried for asylum.

Like I said repeatedly, it is hilarious that you both believe that the administration is violating the constitutional rights of pro Palestinian residents and citizens (which they are), but at the same time endorse violating the constitutional rights of illegal immigrants or legal immigrants (which they are).

Maybe one day you'll realize how the latter cripples the former.

 

[Hog-train]

Like I said repeatedly, it is hilarious that you both believe that the administration is violating the constitutional rights of pro Palestinian residents and citizens (which they are), but at the same time endorse violating the constitutional rights of illegal immigrants or legal immigrants (which they are).

Maybe one day you'll realize how the latter cripples the former.

How the hell is the US violating the rights of Palestinians? They're not citizens of the US and do not have constitutional rights.

The constitutional rights of illegal immigrants are not being violated. You're completely misinformed.

They were removed through the LEGAL use of expedited removal. Every President since that law was passed used expedited removal many, many times. Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden and now Trump.

Obama literally used expedited removal MILLIONS of times. But the media at the time didn't attack Obama like they're doing with Trump so people were unaware this was happening.

You are under the FALSE impression that these recent arrivals being detained and deported do not have due process. Because you've been propagandized by the media like NBA and ABC.

But they did get due process - expedited removal is the legal due process for any recent arrivals that came into the country in the last two years and has been for decades.

Part of that process involves having a credible fear interview which if they pass, their case will go in front of an immigration judge. If they don't qualify in that step, they go into deportation proceedings. Expedited removal is only used in cases where the person has been in the country less than 2 years.

Expedited removal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MacGregor]

 

[BFoe]

1. The US is not directly throwing people into prison. They sent 225 people to El Salvador and Bukele decided to put them into CECOT. The US has no jurisdiction what Bukele does to deportees after they're sent there. Those 225 have now been exchanged to Venezuela BTW.

2. The vast majority of people being deported are being sent to their home countries.

3. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how immigration court works. There is no trial or jury or sentencing and never has been. Immigration court is not criminal court. It's an administrative hearing.

4. Being caught undocumented in the country is a civil offense. But entering the country illegally is a criminal offense. Sections 1325 ("illegal entry") and 1326 ("illegal reentry") of Chapter 8 of the U.S. Code.

No, we made a deal with Bukele to imprison these people. We’re paying money for El Salvador people who are alleged (but not charged) to be gang members.
It’s not like Bukele is doing this out of the blue and we are super surprised by it. The Trump Admin made an agreement for this to happen.

US to pay El Salvador to jail 300 alleged gang members, AP reports

The United States is set to pay El Salvador $6 million to imprison 300 alleged members of the Venezuelan Tren de Aragua gang that it deports to the Central American country, for one year, the Associated Press reported on Saturday, citing an internal memo.

www.reuters.com

I think you are misunderstanding me re: immigration court. I am not saying it’s criminal. I am saying that often times we choose not to charge people with crimes, have a trial in the US and sentence them in the US, and instead decide to pursue deportation as a remedy. In those instances, the migrant should be free to go in the country that we deport them to.

I’ve mentioned Leonel Eschavez’s case before. He isn’t even accused of breaking a single law. He’s been imprisoned in El Salvador without charges from either the U.S. or El Salvador for the past 5-ish months for no reason except the Trump Admin alleges he’s a gang member, and I’m not aware of any evidence at all to support this other than a tattoo he has in memory of his sister who passed away.

Treating people like this is unconscionable.

 

[Hog-train]

No, we made a deal with Bukele to imprison these people. We’re paying money for El Salvador people who are alleged (but not charged) to be gang members.
It’s not like Bukele is doing this out of the blue and we are super surprised by it. The Trump Admin made an agreement for this to happen.

US to pay El Salvador to jail 300 alleged gang members, AP reports

The United States is set to pay El Salvador $6 million to imprison 300 alleged members of the Venezuelan Tren de Aragua gang that it deports to the Central American country, for one year, the Associated Press reported on Saturday, citing an internal memo.

www.reuters.com

We made a deal with El Salvador because they were taking deportees that are from Venezuela. That's why we paid them. Because they're taking on the burden of deportees that are not from their country.

They had to take back the ones from El Salvador because it's their own citizens. That's literally what this article says as well.

I think you are misunderstanding me re: immigration court. I am not saying it’s criminal. I am saying that often times we choose not to charge people with crimes, have a trial in the US and sentence them in the US, and instead decide to pursue deportation as a remedy. In those instances, the migrant should be free to go in the country that we deport them to.

But a lot of the people deported to CECOT were already in our jails. Because they were convicted of crimes here. They essentially got transferred to CECOT.

The bulk of the people sent to CECOT had gang ties or were criminals - either in the US or in their home countries. The minority that didn't were Venezuelans that the country wouldn't take back.

But they all made it back home three weeks ago in a deal El Salvador made with Venezuela.

I’ve mentioned Leonel Eschavez’s case before. He isn’t even accused of breaking a single law. He’s been imprisoned in El Salvador without charges from either the U.S. or El Salvador for the past 5-ish months for no reason except the Trump Admin alleges he’s a gang member, and I’m not aware of any evidence at all to support this other than a tattoo he has in memory of his sister who passed away.

Treating people like this is unconscionable.

He came in illegally in 2023. That's breaking the law. I don't care if he didn't break another law while in the US. He is still illegal and deportable.

And very likely already back home in Venezuela since El Salvador did the prisoner deal.