Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[BFoe]

I would have to suspect the same about all the fraud going on in USAID. Do you agree?

Since no fraud has been uncovered at USAID—no.
But it’s really something that you think only a lowlife would steal food from the poor while simultaneously bashing an agency that fed millions of the poorest people in the world, and cheerleading for a POTUS whose agenda includes slashing funding for SNAP. You can’t make this shit up.

 

[BFoe]

Nice. My question is which judge gets to decide who handles the request? It seems that lefty judges like to jump up and declare every trump act illegal (they might not be wrong very often on that) but is a case assigned to the judge or is it the first one to issue a ruling?

It’s assigned. The CA state AG offices are in the northern district of CA, thus they filed their lawsuit and emergency request in that district, and Charles Breyer was assigned to it—although it’s possible/probable they thought that filing in that district would give them more favorable judges as well.

I don’t know a lot about Charles Breyer but i definitely know his older brother Stephen Breyer, who was one of the liberal judges on SCOTUS until he retired a few years back.

 

[Beechwood]

In LA Riot Standoff, Trump Is Right. Bass and Newsom Are Wrong​

In LA Riot Standoff, Trump Is Right. Bass and Newsom Are Wrong

Throughout the rioting in her city, Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass has frequently lashed out at Presid

townhall.com

Throughout the rioting in her city, Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass has frequently lashed out at President Donald Trump's decision to send National Guard and active-duty troops to protect federal buildings and keep the peace. "It makes me feel like our city is actually a test case," Bass told reporters Monday, "a test case for what happens when the federal government moves in and takes the authority away from the state or away from local government."


Of course, Bass was referring to the Trump's administration's decision to enforce immigration law, which set off protests and then rioting in the so-called "sanctuary city" of Los Angeles. That, Bass believes, is an example of the federal government "taking away" authority from state and local governments.

The only problem is, the state and local governments do not have any authority to enforce immigration law. The sole power to do that lies with the federal government. Bass can look it up. So can Gov. Gavin Newsom of California.

The federal government's supremacy in such matters has long been established, but a relatively recent Supreme Court case that some might remember was Arizona v. United States. In that case, the state of Arizona -- actually the Republican officials at the top of state government -- said to then-President Barack Obama: You're not enforcing immigration law, so we will. And Obama said: No, you won't.

The case went to court. Obama argued that the federal government has the sole power to enforce immigration law, including the power not to enforce immigration law if the president so chooses. It's not your decision, Obama told Arizona officials. Obama won, and that was that.

Now, a dozen years later, the problem at the root of the unrest in California is that state and local officials appear to believe they can have their own immigration law. But the lesson of Arizona v. United States is that they can't do that. It is a pretty simple story. And in this case, it means that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, is able to enforce federal immigration law in Los Angeles, in California and all across the country.

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Bass and Newsom also seem to think that the president should not be able to send the National Guard to Los Angeles when the governor has not requested it. Newsom has just filed suit against President Trump over the issue. But he and the mayor are, unfortunately for them, on the wrong side of that question, too. Yes, usually when a president sends the National Guard, it is at the request of a state's governor. But not always.

In 1965, during the Civil Rights era, President Lyndon Johnson wanted to send the National Guard to Alabama to protect participants in the Selma to Montgomery march. Alabama Gov. George Wallace did not want that. Johnson won the argument because he was president of the United States. Now, Trump can send the Guard to Los Angeles because he is president of the United States.

That's law and history. But Bass and Newsom are also on the wrong side of the politics of immigration. A recent CBS News poll found that 54% of those surveyed approved of the "Trump administration's program to deport immigrants illegally in the United States." More people also said the deportations are making people safer than not, although fewer liked Trump's methods.

The big picture is that Trump has a lot going for him in the immigration standoff, and Bass and Newsom -- and their party -- do not. "The chaos in Southern California could have been designed in a lab to exploit Democratic weak spots, combining the issues of illegal immigration, crime and public disorder," writes moderate Democratic analyst Ruy Teixeira. "Democrats do not have to cheer on every ICE raid, but they have to be seen to prioritize law and order and not deny the reality on the ground of violent protests."


Everyone should hope that the violence and disorder come to an end soon in Los Angeles. But the Trump administration will continue to deport people, especially criminals, who are in the United States unlawfully. And leaders like Karen Bass, Gavin Newsom, and other Democrats around the country will continue to resist. There is more conflict to come.

 

[ShadowRun]

Mostly didn't eat humans

 

[SKYNET]

Oh no, not the dick girl!

First time I've seen a bully threat here. These are the virtuous ones apparently

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Insurrection or invasion?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- Man. The bad optics and total inability of your elected leaders to handle this on a civil manner. On a side, a fatso prepotent douche insiting violence, on the other the left as always slaping and throwing gas on fire, and pretending they're the good guys.

Theres no good guys, beside my bros from Fire-brigade and some LEO's trying to prevent a violent onslaught. Trump is sitting on his as, watching this, while his family hacks billions, i dont know much about Karen Bass, but i am prety sure she is on a secure place, ful of armed security, while you guys are played as cheap pawns on a chess game!

From a security perspective, this is a nightmare, thousand of people in a pan heating, read to explode. Obviously no side wil be held accoutable. Trump after ytrying to overthrown the elected president, was still alowed to run. You guys know what would happen to him in Japan for example? Or even here!

 

[LeonardoBjj]

These fools never read a history book or two LOL

- We have several comic-boks teling this story. Batman the messiah, or if they even read Alexander Dummas.

Ps: Reading Garth Ennis isnt considered a actual lntelectual affair.

 

[Scerpi]

If you wanna get bullied then sure.. Go ahead. You will be forced to block me like @Aurelian did.

Hahahahahaha….

 

[nhbbear]

It’s assigned. The CA state AG offices are in the northern district of CA, thus they filed their lawsuit and emergency request in that district, and Charles Breyer was assigned to it—although it’s possible/probable they thought that filing in that district would give them more favorable judges as well.

I don’t know a lot about Charles Breyer but i definitely know his older brother Stephen Breyer, who was one of the liberal judges on SCOTUS until he retired a few years back.

Until he was made to retire so biden got a pick lol. They did him dirty by guilting him into quitting which they did not do with rbg. They let her rot and die in office and trump got another pick

 

[Scerpi]

So, since I didn’t read the thread, what are the rainbow creampuffs and migrant foot washers are invoking this time around to justify this? Or are they going the but but what about X route ?

What? Nothing is happening… just ask Maxine Waters

 

[BFoe]

Until he was made to retire so biden got a pick lol. They did him dirty by guilting him into quitting which they did not do with rbg. They let her rot and die in office and trump got another pick

Seems like wild speculation. There’s no evidence whatsoever that Stephen Breyer was forced to retire, not that they could force a SCOTUS justice to do that anyhow. Did the Republicans force Anthony Kennedy to retire as well? It would have been nice to have RBG retire when Obama was POTUS, but no guarantee he’d have gotten a pick anyway. It should be a guarantee, but obviously we had one pick stolen from us.

And on top of that, the supposed justifications for that were how close to an election it was, and nominating a centrist like Garland to replace the right wing Scalia—and then the Trump and the GOP rammed through a pick even closer to an election and chose pretty far right Amy Coney Barrett to replace let wing RBG
You can always count on a good dose of hypocrisy from the the Grand Old Party.

 

[Confucamus]

And on top of that, the supposed justifications for that were how close to an election it was, and nominating a centrist like Garland to replace the right wing Scalia—and then the Trump and the GOP rammed through a pick even closer to an election and chose pretty far right Amy Coney Barrett to replace let wing RBG
You can always count on a good dose of hypocrisy from the the Grand Old Party.

I see this parroted a lot but those two situations were not the same.

 

[BFoe]

I see this parroted a lot but those two situations were not the same.

Yeah, Scalia died about 9 months before an election, RBG died when early voting was already going on.

Mitch McConnell declared they wouldn’t approve ANY nominee of Obama’s like one hour after Scalia’s death was reported.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/mitch-mcconnell-antonin-scalia-supreme-court-nomination-219248

He went as far as to make some sloppy argument about how we have to wait for the next POTUS to nominate a replacement so that “the people have a voice”—an argument he swiftly abandoned when RBG died.

 

[nhbbear]

In LA Riot Standoff, Trump Is Right. Bass and Newsom Are Wrong​

In LA Riot Standoff, Trump Is Right. Bass and Newsom Are Wrong

Throughout the rioting in her city, Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass has frequently lashed out at Presid

townhall.com

Throughout the rioting in her city, Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass has frequently lashed out at President Donald Trump's decision to send National Guard and active-duty troops to protect federal buildings and keep the peace. "It makes me feel like our city is actually a test case," Bass told reporters Monday, "a test case for what happens when the federal government moves in and takes the authority away from the state or away from local government."


Of course, Bass was referring to the Trump's administration's decision to enforce immigration law, which set off protests and then rioting in the so-called "sanctuary city" of Los Angeles. That, Bass believes, is an example of the federal government "taking away" authority from state and local governments.

The only problem is, the state and local governments do not have any authority to enforce immigration law. The sole power to do that lies with the federal government. Bass can look it up. So can Gov. Gavin Newsom of California.

The federal government's supremacy in such matters has long been established, but a relatively recent Supreme Court case that some might remember was Arizona v. United States. In that case, the state of Arizona -- actually the Republican officials at the top of state government -- said to then-President Barack Obama: You're not enforcing immigration law, so we will. And Obama said: No, you won't.

The case went to court. Obama argued that the federal government has the sole power to enforce immigration law, including the power not to enforce immigration law if the president so chooses. It's not your decision, Obama told Arizona officials. Obama won, and that was that.

Now, a dozen years later, the problem at the root of the unrest in California is that state and local officials appear to believe they can have their own immigration law. But the lesson of Arizona v. United States is that they can't do that. It is a pretty simple story. And in this case, it means that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, is able to enforce federal immigration law in Los Angeles, in California and all across the country.

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Bass and Newsom also seem to think that the president should not be able to send the National Guard to Los Angeles when the governor has not requested it. Newsom has just filed suit against President Trump over the issue. But he and the mayor are, unfortunately for them, on the wrong side of that question, too. Yes, usually when a president sends the National Guard, it is at the request of a state's governor. But not always.

In 1965, during the Civil Rights era, President Lyndon Johnson wanted to send the National Guard to Alabama to protect participants in the Selma to Montgomery march. Alabama Gov. George Wallace did not want that. Johnson won the argument because he was president of the United States. Now, Trump can send the Guard to Los Angeles because he is president of the United States.

That's law and history. But Bass and Newsom are also on the wrong side of the politics of immigration. A recent CBS News poll found that 54% of those surveyed approved of the "Trump administration's program to deport immigrants illegally in the United States." More people also said the deportations are making people safer than not, although fewer liked Trump's methods.

The big picture is that Trump has a lot going for him in the immigration standoff, and Bass and Newsom -- and their party -- do not. "The chaos in Southern California could have been designed in a lab to exploit Democratic weak spots, combining the issues of illegal immigration, crime and public disorder," writes moderate Democratic analyst Ruy Teixeira. "Democrats do not have to cheer on every ICE raid, but they have to be seen to prioritize law and order and not deny the reality on the ground of violent protests."


Everyone should hope that the violence and disorder come to an end soon in Los Angeles. But the Trump administration will continue to deport people, especially criminals, who are in the United States unlawfully. And leaders like Karen Bass, Gavin Newsom, and other Democrats around the country will continue to resist. There is more conflict to come.

Not sure if this is from article or you wrote it, but it is a good post.

newscum is weak and bass sees herself as some kind of messiah for the people she wants to lift up-minorities and illegals by proudly declaring it is a sanctuary city but the funny part is she has zero authority to stop the Feds from carrying out their plans to enforce. Maybe eventually they will slow down or stop the deportations. In my opinion, they should keep this up until they are vaguely satisfied and then deport those illegals that are arrested for crimes. Stick to that and if newscum/bass/other mayors have a problem with it, they can stick it up their asses because there’s nothing they can do to stop it aside from telling their police departments to not ask status, which would definitely hinder the feds efforts. The Feds could withhold funding for the cities that do this and I think trump will do exactly that.

 

[nhbbear]

Seems like wild speculation. There’s no evidence whatsoever that Stephen Breyer was forced to retire, not that they could force a SCOTUS justice to do that anyhow. Did the Republicans force Anthony Kennedy to retire as well? It would have been nice to have RBG retire when Obama was POTUS, but no guarantee he’d have gotten a pick anyway. It should be a guarantee, but obviously we had one pick stolen from us.

And on top of that, the supposed justifications for that were how close to an election it was, and nominating a centrist like Garland to replace the right wing Scalia—and then the Trump and the GOP rammed through a pick even closer to an election and chose pretty far right Amy Coney Barrett to replace let wing RBG
You can always count on a good dose of hypocrisy from the the Grand Old Party.

I wouldn’t say that pick was stolen. Dems didn’t have majority to force the pick. They also agreed to let the incoming potus pick because they thought Hillary would trounce trump. Bad bet.

And yes, if you don’t recall, everyone on the left was calling for Breyer to step down and retire so biden would have a pick. I remember aoc was very vocal
About it as well as others in the party. Which I find funny because the scotus is supposed to be apolitical and it is very political. I always thought I wanted a conservative majority but it was better when Robert’s was the deciding vote because he didn’t always side with the conservatives.

 

[CubicleGangster]

No dude, the city is not siding with the looters. Most of us realize that the couple of hundred dipshits were mostly fucksticks looking to go viral or just getting off on playing anarchist.

But I live literally 4-miles from the epicenter of these protests. To say the whole city is covered in graffiti, is just retarded. Also, we are not in the middle of a rebellion, in case anyone here is dumb enough to buy that line of shit.

What the locals actually think is the following:
-The first protests in Paramount (about 16-miles south of Los Angeles) were about a couple dozen of legit protestors. I had to drive by them on my way back from Long Beach. Nothing much, and couldn't really see shit even though it was right by the interstate.

-Trump announces he's nationalizing the guard that same night. Then you get a fuckton of people marching on downtown in response to that. In the first night, these were a mix of honest protestors and shitbirds just looking for thrills. I have a bunch of friends in the LAPD (lots of former Marines there) and they laugh and tell me two things: 1) the people that catch looting are the young, but destined for a career of shitbaggery, who already have a bunch of priors; 2) the dipshits who actually try to spit or swing on cops are always priveliged gender studies majors who shit their pants when they realize their going to jail.

-After day 1 or two, the remaining "protestors" were more of you douche bags looking to go viral or just be asshats. Everyone agress it's time to shoo them away. As of tonight, that looks to have happened.

-Ultimately, both sides of the media overhyped this. Trump didn't help, and served only as a needless inflamatory dickhead. The nationalized guard just stood around the detention center in downtown, and didn't participate in dealing with the protestors in any meaningful way. The marines haven't done anything that I've heard of, and are likely just staged somewhere to avoid any incidents.

That's my two cents as a local, for what it's worth. Trump needs a distraction. He's failing to deliver on any promises he made to his base. He hasn't gotten any trade deals done after promising "90 in 90 days" ; he just straight gave up on Ukraine after promising to solve that on day 1; and now he blocking the release of the Epstein files that his own cabinet is implicating him in.

So trump does what he always does when he looks like a loser: he picks a culture war fight and begs his base to look over there. And the responses in this thread from his supporters, prove it.

These idiots on this site are so susceptible to astroturfing. It makes me feel bad for them. I work in LA and it is basically business like normal here. None of our jobsites are disrupted. None of our deliveries are impacted. I've spent the last two days having morons online try to convince me the world is burning around me. These protests and riots are small. Wasting all this taxpayer money deploying the national guard and marines for this is pathetic.

 

[lowlife]

"If we're busy hating each other, we'll never look up to see the boot."

 

[Confucamus]

Yeah, Scalia died about 9 months before an election, RBG died when early voting was already going on.

Mitch McConnell declared they wouldn’t approve ANY nominee of Obama’s like one hour after Scalia’s death was reported.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/mitch-mcconnell-antonin-scalia-supreme-court-nomination-219248

He went as far as to make some sloppy argument about how we have to wait for the next POTUS to nominate a replacement so that “the people have a voice”—an argument he swiftly abandoned when RBG died.

He didn't abandon it, it just wasn't the same situation. McConnell's reasoning is that, since the American people had voted in a majority Republican Senate under Obama, any SCOTUS pick he was going to pick was not going to be representing the will of the majority of Americans. Under Trump, you have a Republican Congress AND President. Hate the logic all you want, but don't say the situations were the same. Nobody was "robbed" of a SCOTUS pick.

 

[lsa]