Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

ICE conducted large scale raids in Los Angeles yesterday, and were met by large spread protests that turned into violent.

I expect there will be several like this, so might as well make a mega thread

The mayor even told them to FIGHT. Coincidentally, this happened on J6

That s pretty crazy. That s even worse than LFI in France which pretty openly calls for insurection.
At what point does this turn into sedition/treason? Put that mayor in jail.

 

[Lycandroid]

You recall that many of our states used to be Mexico, right?

And even more of them used to belong to the British. Using the same logic, should the UK have the right the take back the empire ?

I dont know what they care about but there's a world of difference between setting a few cars on fire vs attempting to overthrow the US government like your team did.

People riot when they’ve exhausted other methods of getting their needs met. So I see riots as a symptom of the fact that our government is letting people down.

Under your own criteria there is no difference.

Don't have any sympathy for those who poke the bear, both had ample opportunity to walk away.

Are these people out after curfew was declared ? Why does everybody seem to think the law doesn't apply to them ?

Cool. Still a first amendment right. Communists are protected under the constitution. Not sure if you’re up on US history but it was sort of a thing in the 1950s.

And like I said arrest all commie terrorists, you continuing to frame what I said as a call to arrest everybody despite my post saying nothing of the sort, and me clarifying 4 times now that that is not what I said is pathetic and pointless. What is it with you and being unable to tell the difference between similar but blatantly different things ? I am starting to thing it didn't just start with male/female vaginas.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

So, since I didn’t read the thread, what are the rainbow creampuffs and migrant foot washers are invoking this time around to justify this? Or are they going the but but what about X route ?

 

[Flower2dPeople]

They are going after everyone outside of the recent arrivals. South Americans are the largest group then it is the Chinese/Indians/Filipinos for the Asian groups. Burmese are one of the newer groups so they will be the first to go. You also have old protected groups like Cubans. Some of them are Cuban inmates released to America in the 80s. Some of them lived in the US for 40 years and aren't able to get a citizenship because of their past. ICE is going into old folks home to deport these type of people. I think they need a pass on this. You don't deport a person with a Alzheimer's back to Cuba.

All I am saying is that each case needs to be treated fairly. It's foul to kick people out after they lived in this country for decades.

My money is on illegals not showing up for their hearings.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

So, since I didn’t read the thread, what are the rainbow creampuffs and migrant foot washers are invoking this time around to justify this? Or are they going the but but what about X route ?

Trump bad. That's it.

 

[Hog-train]

Since immigration is such a divisive issue, both sides are lying constantly. Both the left and right are deliberately being misleading or outright lying to push their views.

What is objectively true:

1. Nearly all of these individuals who are being detained do not have legal status in the US (exceptions below). They are not what you referred to as legal immigrants - naturalized US citizens, green card holders, or individuals complying with their visas. Instead, they are mostly those who entered illegally, overstayed their visas, or violated the terms of their visa (such as students not studying).
2. A small number of those being detained are legal immigrants (green card holders) who have some form of criminal record. They can revoke your green card and deport you if you commit a crime.
3. A small number of those being detained are legal immigrants who have participated or organized in pro-Hamas/anti-Israel protests. Whether the administration can do so legally is being fought over in courts. US immigration law does allow them to do so, but some are arguing the law was unconstitutional in the first place.
4. A small number of these deportations are in violation of the law, most famously Abrego Garcia. These cases and names are famous precisely because there aren't that many of them, although there are about 600,000 illegal immigrants in the country that do have a record or have been charged. It is important these individuals get justice and the media focuses a lot on them, which may give the false impression that many individuals are being deported incorrectly.
5. Immigration court is not the same thing as criminal court and not even part of the Judicial Branch. They're part of the Department of Justice under the Executive Branch. It's more like civil court and you don't need to "prove" things beyond a reasonable doubt like a criminal case. It's an administrative hearing as opposed to a "trial" where you try to prove things. Immigration judges have broad discretion in determining the admissibility of evidence and hearsay is allowed. It's almost like a job interview.

What is a grey area:

1. Those being deported are here illegally, many even ordered deported or stuck in years-long deportation proceedings, but have been left alone by previous administration's for many years. ICE had limited deportation resources, so they de-priortized those who had clean criminal records and US citizen family. Trump has basically abolished that old prioritization and made deporting anyone here illegally fair game. This upsets many who believe that people who are here illegally for many years, pay taxes and have US citizen children should be treated as legal immigrants (even if legally, they're not).
2. Trump abolished many humanitarian immigration programs that Biden created that he disagreed with (Central American/Haitian parolees and TPS primarily), going so far as to shorten their previously granted stay, essentially making previously-legal humanitarian immigrants now illegal. This is being fought in the courts but the Supreme Court seems to be siding with him so far - what one President can give without Congressional action, another President can usually take away as well.
3. Some of those detained are illegally in the US, but filed pending applications (asylum, marriage) to become legal while illegally in the US. This does not make them legal until the applications are approved and the law allows for them to be detained until their applications are approved. Previous administrations generally did not detain them, but ICE appears to have changed that policy.

What is objectively misinformation:

1. US citizens are not being deported. Media stories or people claiming citizens are being deported are LYING and trying to mislead you.
2. Some parents who are deported were given the choice to bring their US citizen children with them, and of course many chose to do so to avoid separation. This doesn't mean the children were deported - their guardians chose not to be separated from them. The alternative would be to force these US citizen children to stay in the US and separate them from their parents - clearly cruel and inhumane.
3. Many of the individuals being deported are neither criminals nor dangerous. Overstaying a visa is a civil violation, not a crime. Due to pressure to meet Trump's deportation targets, ICE is basically eschewing old priorities and deporting anyone who's here illegally. To be clear, these individuals who are here illegally with a clean criminal record can still be legally deported - that's what the law says. However, some Americans believed only those with criminal records would be targeted, and are unhappy about this change in policy.
4. The left is saying everyone being deported got zero due process and are just being sent to foreign prisons. They're conflating the relatively small number of 248 people sent to CECOT to the thousands that have been deported. Most did get due process and simply deported to Mexico or the Central American country they came from. Have to remember that there are 1.4 million people that already had existing final deportation orders from before Trump even came into office.

 

[ShadowRun]

That doesn't give trump the right to call in federal troops to put down a "rebellion," or claim he is unable to enforce federal laws. The Constitution is more important than this.

If local resources are not protecting or helping ICE, I think the feds can help themselves. I would been ok with Trump not calling in nobody. It would make the incompetency of the mayor and governor shine more. I feel bad at the people that just want to get to work and home without a disruption of their lives though.

 

[ShadowRun]

And even more of them used to belong to the British. Using the same logic, should the UK have the right the take back the empire ?

Under your own criteria there is no difference.

Don't have any sympathy for those who poke the bear, both had ample opportunity to walk away.

Are these people out after curfew was declared ? Why does everybody seem to think the law doesn't apply to them ?

And like I said arrest all commie terrorists, you continuing to frame what I said as a call to arrest everybody despite my post saying nothing of the sort, and me clarifying 4 times now that that is not what I said is pathetic and pointless. What is it with you and being unable to tell the difference between similar but blatantly different things ? I am starting to thing it didn't just start with male/female vaginas.

Also belong to the French as well. I don't get how this is a talking point at all, many borders and countrys have changed, if the state of california wants to vote to join Mexico and leave the USA I am all for that lol. It would be 95>% stay in USA vote though.

 

[ShadowRun]

My money is on illegals not showing up for their hearings.

People overstaying visa/green cards. Not showing up to hearings , among other things

 

[Osculater]

My money is on illegals not showing up for their hearings.

Hahaha they are getting snatched at their hearings in court and shit

 

[Lycandroid]

So, since I didn’t read the thread, what are the rainbow creampuffs and migrant foot washers are invoking this time around to justify this? Or are they going the but but what about X route ?

essentially Trump made them do it by escalating the situation, but the national guard hasn't done anything, its the LAPD that saved the city, but its been peaceful the whole time

its only a few dozen bad actors, after 50 arrests

also its a tiny protest only taking a few blocks, but also everyone is opposed to and the city is rising up Trump and ICE

it's not violent, but also who cares about property damage, its just property

if you dont support the riots you have no empathy, but you should also cheer on cops getting smoked in the head with rocks

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Immigration is such a divisive issue, both sides are lying constantly. Both the left and right are deliberately being misleading or outright lying to push their views.

What is objectively true:

1. Nearly all of these individuals who are being detained do not have legal status in the US (exceptions below). They are not what you referred to as legal immigrants - naturalized US citizens, green card holders, or individuals complying with their visas. Instead, they are mostly those who entered illegally, overstayed their visas, or violated the terms of their visa (such as students not studying).
2. A small number of those being detained are legal immigrants (green card holders) who have some form of criminal record.
3. A small number of those being detained are legal immigrants who have participated or organized in pro-Hamas/anti-Israel protests. Whether the administration can do so legally is being fought over in courts. US immigration law does allow them to do so, but some are arguing the law was unconstitutional in the first place.
4. A small number of these deportations are in violation of the law, most famously Abrego Garcia. These cases and names are famous precisely because there aren't that many of them. It is important these individuals get justice and the media focuses a lot on them, which may give the false impression that many individuals are being deported incorrectly.
5. Immigration court is not the same thing as a criminal court and not even part of the Judicial Branch. They're part of the Department of Justice under the executive branch. It's more like civil court and you don't need to "prove" things beyond a reasonable doubt like a criminal case. It's an administrative hearing as opposed to a "trial" where you try to prove things. Immigration judges have broad discretion in determining the admissibility of evidence and hearsay is allowed. It's almost like a job interview.

What is a grey area:

1. Those being deported are here illegally, many even ordered deported or stuck in years-long deportation proceedings, but have been left alone by previous administration's for many years. ICE had limited deportation resources, so they de-priortized those who had clean criminal records and US citizen family. Trump has basically abolished that old prioritization and made deporting anyone here illegally fair game. This upsets many who believe that people who are here illegally for many years, pay taxes and have US citizen children should be treated as legal immigrants (even if legally, they're not).
2. Trump abolished many humanitarian immigration programs that Biden created that he disagreed with (Central American/Haitian parolees and TPS primarily), going so far as to shorten their previously granted stay, essentially making previously-legal humanitarian immigrants now illegal. This is being fought in the courts but the Supreme Court seems to be siding with him so far - what one President can give without Congressional action, another President can usually take away as well.
3. Some of those detained are illegally in the US, but filed pending applications (asylum, marriage) to become legal while illegally in the US. This does not make them legal until the applications are approved and the law allows for them to be detained until their applications are approved. Previous administrations generally did not detain them, but ICE appears to have changed that policy.

What is objectively misinformation:

1. US citizens are not being deported. Media stories or people claiming citizens are being deported are LYING and trying to mislead you.
2. Some parents who are deported were given the choice to bring their US citizen children with them, and of course many chose to do so to avoid separation. This doesn't mean the children were deported - their guardians chose not to be separated from them. The alternative would be to force these US citizen children to stay in the US and separate them from their parents - clearly cruel and inhumane.
3. Many of the individuals being deported are neither criminals nor dangerous. Overstaying a visa is a civil violation, not a crime. Due to pressure to meet Trump's deportation targets, ICE is basically eschewing old priorities and deporting anyone who's here illegally. To be clear, these individuals who are here illegally with a clean criminal record can still be legally deported - that's what the law says. However, some Americans believed only those with criminal records would be targeted, and are unhappy about this change in policy.

Excellent post thanks

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

essentially Trump made them do it by escalating the situation, but the national guard hasn't done anything, its the LAPD that saved the city, but its been peaceful the whole time

its only a few dozen bad actors, after 50 arrests

also its a tiny protest only taking a few blocks, but also everyone is opposed to and the city is rising up Trump and ICE

it's not violent, but also who cares about property damage, its just property

if you dont support the riots you have no empathy, but you should also cheer on cops getting smoked in the head with rocks

But that flies in the face of actual facts doesn’t it?

 

[Lycandroid]

But that flies in the face of actual facts doesn’t it?

yeah but don't you dare point that or any of the blatant contradictions out or you are a nazi bootlicker who needs to read up on history

 

[PEB]

This was a quote from a Navel blog about a friend who was my Parrish Priest. Decorated Marine who had injuries in Vietnam. He has 3 purple hearts , 2 Bronze stars an a sliver star as well he was a Marine. He commented suicide going to an appointment by jumping off a bridge. He would be telling Marines to step down.

"Saint Michael the Archangel, Defend us in battle; Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil; May God rebuke him, we humbly pray; And do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, By the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits Who wander though the world for the ruin of souls, Amen."

 

[Fox by the Sea]

bluesky is a place for the totally normal libs

 

[KnightTemplar]

bluesky is a place for the totally normal libs

Trump Derangement Syndrome: Stage Four(Terminal)

 

[idrankyourbeer]

so it's costing 134 million dollars to send in the national guard to deal with a tiny little crowd of peaceful protesters in a tiny little area of downtown los angeles. sounds pretty efficient.

next thing you know molestini cheetolini is going to be playing this up to be bigger than the 1992 los angeles riots and all of those protesters are baby-murdering pet-eating fentanyl-smuggling illegal aliens because the mandarin molester wouldn't dare admit that this little show he is putting on is all just a pathetic waste of resources.

 

[mozfonky]

They are going after everyone outside of the recent arrivals. South Americans are the largest group then it is the Chinese/Indians/Filipinos for the Asian groups. Burmese are one of the newer groups so they will be the first to go. You also have old protected groups like Cubans. Some of them are Cuban inmates released to America in the 80s. Some of them lived in the US for 40 years and aren't able to get a citizenship because of their past. ICE is going into old folks home to deport these type of people. I think they need a pass on this. You don't deport a person with a Alzheimer's back to Cuba.

All I am saying is that each case needs to be treated fairly. It's foul to kick people out after they lived in this country for decades.

knew a pro boxer from cuba, sounded like he had a helluva time before the boatlift thing, he died a few years ago, hit by a car and I was surprised to see that he was a well loved homeless figure in his town. When i knew him it was obvious how full of piss and vinegar he was, I really felt badly for him though, i once saw some cops harassing him and he was telling them something like "take off your badges and we can fight". Even good fighters don't stand a chance in some situations.

 

[mozfonky]

so it's costing 134 million dollars to send in the national guard to deal with a tiny little crowd of peaceful protesters in a tiny little area of downtown los angeles. sounds pretty efficient.

next thing you know molestini cheetolini is going to be playing this up to be bigger than the 1992 los angeles riots and all of those protesters are baby-murdering pet-eating fentanyl-smuggling illegal aliens because the mandarin molester wouldn't dare admit that this little show he is putting on is all just a pathetic waste of resources.

you think any truth to the epstein thing? why would donald be worried about the epstein thing? some say he's trying to distract from that.

I'm reading our new seattle pd chief, just hired a couple weeks ago is telling the public he'll probably go to jail for not helping ice. our last chief got fired for an affair with some woman, he tried to lie and say, "no, I'm gay" but they didn't believe him, this town needs an enema.