Regimen I think maybe its time I switch to a more advanced powerlifting program? Please help my decision...

[Baby Hanma]

Yuck! Clarence Kennedy uses steroids. You need to use the power of friendship to break the 500lb squat.

What am I gonna do, absorb other people's aether to boost my strength? That kind of stuff only exists in fairy tales.

 

[maximus__]

I do pause squats for better time under tension, to impress the ladies, injury prevention, and my belief that the harder version of a barbell movement is the better version so long as there's no bosu balls involved.

Power out of the hole, speed strength, intramuscular coordination, better motor unit recruitment, static strength, lockout strength... Meaningless and worthless concepts created by modern powerlifters trying to turn their 900 pound squat into 920.

Real strength is developed with years of high volume and heavy training with full range of motion compound lifts done over and over and over again. Anything else is just a cope for not being strong enough.

Any plans to follow any of the advice in this thread or you just going to keep applying the same strength training practices that have led to you actually going backwards or stagnating in your lifting?

It doesn't bother me either way. It's your training, but your lifts are going in reverse at this point and this is the second "I am struggling to train" thread in a 12 month period.

Try something different suggested by someone here or from whatever book you like. Your variation of the Hepburn program isn't leading to you improving. You were saying you were hitting 245lb Clean pulls in June last year. You have an estimated progression of 265lbs for that lift coming up soon. You have barely added 20 lbs in a near 12 month period to an Oly assistance exercise. Same with your front squats, they are at the number they should have already based off your 315 6x5 claim in the below thread. Your lifts are stagnating mate, you need to change something.

Thread 'Honestly man, I dont know how you people are able to work full time and also train full time.'

Jun 26, 2024

Do you all have cozy office jobs or something? Or perhaps you're some kind of computer programmer?

I'm a janitor who works six days a week. I'm aiming to become a bricklayer in two years. Janitorial duties are not that rigorous, but still. I often miss training sessions because of how exhausted I get from work.

I don't know how you people do it. Is it perhaps the age? I'm already 32.

• Baby Hanma
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[NoSmilez]

What am I gonna do, absorb other people's aether to boost my strength? That kind of stuff only exists in fairy tales.

You need to do something different since it isn't working for you.

Maybe repeating the same thing over and over again is your ninja way. Believe it!

 

[maximus__]

You need to do something different since it isn't working for you.

Maybe repeating the same thing over and over again is your ninja way. Believe it!

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Any plans to follow any of the advice in this thread or you just going to keep applying the same strength training practices that have led to you actually going backwards or stagnating in your lifting?

It doesn't bother me either way. It's your training, but your lifts are going in reverse at this point and this is the second "I am struggling to train" thread in a 12 month period.

Try something different suggested by someone here or from whatever book you like. Your variation of the Hepburn program isn't leading to you improving. You were saying you were hitting 245lb Clean pulls in June last year. You have an estimated progression of 265lbs for that lift coming up soon. You have barely added 20 lbs in a near 12 month period to an Oly assistance exercise. Same with your front squats, they are at the number they should have already based off your 315 6x5 claim in the below thread. Your lifts are stagnating mate, you need to change something.

Thread 'Honestly man, I dont know how you people are able to work full time and also train full time.'

Jun 26, 2024

Do you all have cozy office jobs or something? Or perhaps you're some kind of computer programmer?

I'm a janitor who works six days a week. I'm aiming to become a bricklayer in two years. Janitorial duties are not that rigorous, but still. I often miss training sessions because of how exhausted I get from work.

I don't know how you people do it. Is it perhaps the age? I'm already 32.

• Baby Hanma
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• Forum: Strength & Conditioning Discussion

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20 pounds ina year isn’t terrible and he isn’t wasting time by learning what does and doesn't work.

 

[maximus__]

20 pounds ina year isn’t terrible and he isn’t wasting time by learning what does and doesn't work.

You said the opposite when I pointed the same to you in adding 2-3x that weight in a squat, bench or deadlift for a Powerlifting comp.



If he was adding 20lbs to his Snatch or Clean it would be awesome, but it's 20lbs to the above movement with no intentions to Oly lift unless he has changed his mind.

Remember he put up 275 for a set of 4 front squats back in Jan 25. Those were unpaused. Now we are nearly 3 months later and he is squatting 275 now with a pause of unknown length.

Back in 2020 he was hitting a beautiful paused back squat with 395lbs for 5 sets of 1. June 2024 he hit 315 for a set of 10 reps ( not to meet standards).

He has stopped progressing with his current programming and is stagnating. He needs a bit of Sherdog motivation to push through the plateau or try something different.

 

[Oblivian]

I do pause squats for better time under tension, to impress the ladies, injury prevention, and my belief that the harder version of a barbell movement is the better version so long as there's no bosu balls involved.

Power out of the hole, speed strength, intramuscular coordination, better motor unit recruitment, static strength, lockout strength... Meaningless and worthless concepts created by modern powerlifters trying to turn their 900 pound squat into 920.

Real strength is developed with years of high volume and heavy training with full range of motion compound lifts done over and over and over again. Anything else is just a cope for not being strong enough.

The first bolded part has to be one of the dumbest things that I've read on this forum. Let's go ahead and pause all of our deadlifts, snatches, cleans, etc. Ironically, the 2nd bolded portion of your post is exactly what you do. You justify your weak lifts by saying things like "but I'm beltless, 100% pause" etc. Here's an idea: Having more pounds on the bar by not pausing your squat will lead to adaptations that you aren't getting from using lighter weight and pausing every rep. I certainly don't think you are building much explosive strength given your push press number.

 

[ASUThermo]

Two days I ago I did my full-body workout of heavy push presses, heavy front squats, and heavy clean pulls. 4 sets each with 2 to 3 reps each. As usual, it was exhausting. Early morning today, I went to do the same workout. Despite being well-fed, my energy was low. I only managed to do the push presses. I'll finish the workout later this evening.

It was still a personal record, but I had nothing left for the rest of the workout.

I'm beginning to realize that me missing workout sessions somewhat frequently is no longer a matter of weak discipline. I simply don't recover as fast anymore. It's not even due to age, it's straight up due to heavy weight. My working sets for push presses is 175 pounds. It's 275 for (paused) front squats, and my clean pulls are about to turn to 265 (weight increase PR coming up). The workouts don't hurt my joints or anything. But my God they drain the life out of me.

Maybe I'm already experiencing that phenomenon where if a powerlifter gets strong enough and starts lifting heavy enough weights, he gets more damage and therefore takes much longer to recover?

I should probably consider getting into some of those old school linear periodization programs. Training hard all the time feels awful for me nowadays.

For what it's worth, I pull the barbell high when I do my clean pulls. A good rep has the thing reach my rib cage. I've seen a lot of Olympic lifters on YouTube basically do a deadlift with a shrug at the top of their pulls. Mine is a little bit different.

There are lots of solid powerlifting programs out there that lifters past intermediate stages can use. Liftingvault has tons. If your goal is to be good at powerlifting, you probably don't need clean pulls or push press for more than one block out of a peaking program.

 

[Baby Hanma]

The first bolded part has to be one of the dumbest things that I've read on this forum. Let's go ahead and pause all of our deadlifts, snatches, cleans, etc. Ironically, the 2nd bolded portion of your post is exactly what you do. You justify your weak lifts by saying things like "but I'm beltless, 100% pause" etc. Here's an idea: Having more pounds on the bar by not pausing your squat will lead to adaptations that you aren't getting from using lighter weight and pausing every rep. I certainly don't think you are building much explosive strength given your push press number.

Here's an illustration...

Which builds more leg strength? Cleans or front squats? Front squats of course because the focus of the exercise is to challenge leg strength by having you front squat heavy. Cleans won't let you build as much leg strength because you can't rack a barbell on your shoulder that will be heavy enough for true leg stimulation.

Now...

Which builds more leg strength? Front squats or back squats? Definitely back squats. Same logic. Greater muscle fiber damage simply because the weight is heavier. It overloads the squatting movement with big weight, and by doing so, your legs get stronger with the right training program that has it.

And now... Should we pause at the bottom of a back squat? At that point, it's whether you are as awesome as Baby Hanma or not. If you are, you do. But will pausing at the bottom of a back squat still build strength?

Yes. Because at least it's not a clean. And it overloads the squatting movement pattern more so than front squats. Doing a version of it that will force you to lift lighter is still a damn heavier weight than plyometrics.

Does an Ed Coan workout with a difficult, full range of motion deadlift build more strength than an El Campeon one inch deadlift workout with El Campeon lifting way more weight than he can handle in a proper lift? Heck yeah it does.

Oblivion, do you realize that the legendary Paul Anderson who squatted 900 pounds raw before dianabol was invented did lots of back squats... A. T. G.??????

 

[Oblivian]

Here's an illustration...

Which builds more leg strength? Cleans or front squats? Front squats of course because the focus of the exercise is to challenge leg strength by having you front squat heavy. Cleans won't let you build as much leg strength because you can't rack a barbell on your shoulder that will be heavy enough for true leg stimulation.

Now...

Which builds more leg strength? Front squats or back squats? Definitely back squats. Same logic. Greater muscle fiber damage simply because the weight is heavier. It overloads the squatting movement with big weight, and by doing so, your legs get stronger with the right training program that has it.

And now... Should we pause at the bottom of a back squat? At that point, it's whether you are as awesome as Baby Hanma or not. If you are, you do. But will pausing at the bottom of a back squat still build strength?

Yes. Because at least it's not a clean. And it overloads the squatting movement pattern more so than front squats. Doing a version of it that will force you to lift lighter is still a damn heavier weight than plyometrics.

Does an Ed Coan workout with a difficult, full range of motion deadlift build more strength than an El Campeon one inch deadlift workout with El Campeon lifting way more weight than he can handle in a proper lift? Heck yeah it does.

Oblivion, do you realize that the legendary Paul Anderson who squatted 900 pounds raw before dianabol was invented did lots of back squats... A. T. G.??????

There is no reason to avoid normal back squats without a pause and do just paused squats. Your logic did not make any sense. We've seen shit like this for years. The real reason is so you can have an * next to your lift and say "well, but I pause all of my squats". People do the same shit with bench (*no arch brah) and deadlift (*totally raw - not even chalk brah, I want it to be all me). Honestly, you'd probably improve your paused squat faster mainly training normal back squats primarily. I've made huge front squat gains barely training it from just doing back squats.

 

[maximus__]

There is no reason to avoid normal back squats without a pause and do just paused squats. Your logic did not make any sense. We've seen shit like this for years. The real reason is so you can have an * next to your lift and say "well, but I pause all of my squats". People do the same shit with bench (*no arch brah) and deadlift (*totally raw - not even chalk brah, I want it to be all me). Honestly, you'd probably improve your paused squat faster mainly training normal back squats primarily. I've made huge front squat gains barely training it from just doing back squats.

Think I got my answer to my question...

 

[Trabaho]

Alt account with Chat GPT writing?

I swear he did that. He made a fake profile to give himself props.

From having seen his video, his recovery surely is impaired by american diet, sleep quality and stress. Dude is bald as a young man and sweating bullets from one set of squats. Lol he just said he is so in shape that he trains less cause he is so strong that he has to miss workouts due to recovery from his amazing numbers

 

[maximus__]

I swear he did that. He made a fake profile to give himself props.

From having seen his video, his recovery surely is impaired by american diet, sleep quality and stress. Dude is bald as a young man and sweating bullets from one set of squats. Lol he just said he is so in shape that he trains less cause he is so strong that he has to miss workouts due to recovery from his amazing numbers

You started by coming into a thread calling powerlifters fat and unfit, have had hair transplants and he can out lift you at a similar bodyweight. You also constantly talk about being too tired to train.

He lifts weights primarily, you do random things in the gym instead. Both of you are kinda spinning your wheels refusing to acknowledge you need to follow some form of training that involves actual progression.

Both keep making threads asking for training advice and then keep doing what you have been doing and wondering why you aren't getting the results.

 

[Trabaho]

You started by coming into a thread calling powerlifters fat and unfit, have had hair transplants and he can out lift you at a similar bodyweight. You also constantly talk about being too tired to train.

He lifts weights primarily, you do random things in the gym instead. Both of you are kinda spinning your wheels refusing to acknowledge you need to follow some form of training that involves actual progression.

Both keep making threads asking for training advice and then keep doing what you have been doing and wondering why you aren't getting the results.

Wtf are you talking about. That is a different topic. I asked how you came to the conclusion that he is a troll / gimmick and got banned from multiple places online.

And why are you always pointing out something negative.

 

[maximus__]

Wtf are you talking about. That is a different topic. I asked how you came to the conclusion that he is a troll / gimmick and got banned from multiple places online.

And why are you always pointing out something negative.

From having seen his video, his recovery surely is impaired by american diet, sleep quality and stress. Dude is bald as a young man and sweating bullets from one set of squats. Lol he just said he is so in shape that he trains less cause he is so strong that he has to miss workouts due to recovery from his amazing numbers

Because of that part of your post. You are making fun of him for the same things you do or have gone through.

Make fun of his posts and the contents of them, but leave him as an actual person alone.

 

[zapataxiv]

Wtf are you talking about. That is a different topic. I asked how you came to the conclusion that he is a troll / gimmick and got banned from multiple places online.

And why are you always pointing out something negative.

speaking of squats how are yours coming along? closer to 115x10?

 

[Trabaho]

speaking of squats how are yours coming along? closer to 115x10?

No. I sat out 1 whole week from the gym. Went yesterday again. Not smoking and gaming addiction turned my sleep into awake at night asleep at day. Now I decided to just not play and figure to sell my account for 100 bucks or whatever. Woke up 6 am, so 1 hour ago, and headed to the gym. So no my squat has not improved. Probably recesed. Well I havent been smoking for 17 days and only relapsed twice. Once 5 cigs and once 2. 2 were fine, no difference the next day. However the gaming kicked my ass. Hence I figured to not play at all. It sets me into a trance and I play 10 hours in a row until 9 in the morning. I mean Gabe Nethwel is going to hell, devil worshiper, doing black magic. Got people hooked on their screen. Burn in hell bitch.

But yeah squat likely is again at 70 or 80. So really nothing. 1 whole week of not training. Also considering programing something. I was doing like 8 workouts in 10 days and each had something like dl sqt bp in it. It was dumb and fatigued me.

Almost like programs make sense.

Just squating dling and bping often is not it.

 

[Trabaho]

How do I follow a program and do other excercises on the side. It dosn't add up.

 

[NoSmilez]

How do I follow a program and do other excercises on the side. It dosn't add up.

Forget about a crazy goal of chasing a number. Just start a regular fitness program. Go online and try to find a program you like. I try to help you find it.

You just need to consistency before you start chasing numbers. Once you get consistent then you can add or ditch a program.

Some people need program to be consistent. My routine is pretty much set in stone. I use programs to just have a new look in training. I tried RP for two training blocks or mesocycles. I find their program a little basic and the volume does get crazy if you are too ambitious with the reporting of fatigue.

 

[Trabaho]

Forget about a crazy goal of chasing a number. Just start a regular fitness program. Go online and try to find a program you like. I try to help you find it.

You just need to consistency before you start chasing numbers. Once you get consistent then you can add or ditch a program.

Some people need program to be consistent. My routine is pretty much set in stone. I use programs to just have a new look in training. I tried RP for two training blocks or mesocycles. I find their program a little basic and the volume does get crazy if you are too ambitious with the reporting of fatigue.

What about aditional training and goals ?

I'm not looking to just do a few main lifts and go for strength only