I feel bad for former WEC Champs

[120wrestling]

Frank Shamrock, Chris Leben, Nick Diaz, Karo Parisyan, Carlos Condit, Gilbert Melendez, Ben Henderson, Anthony Pettis, Uriah Faber, Jose Aldo, Doninick Cruz are all former WEC champions that people see as some of the best in the world and showed the WEC was one of the premier orgs.

I don't count all the guys up to Faber, The WEC Belt above 145lbs did not signify being the best in the world. The UFC had already had the LW,WW,MW,LHW, and HW divisions.

 

[TheNightmanCometh]

Next time lead with this so I can tell you don't know wtf you're talking about right off the bat and don't have to read through the rest
Smh only on sherdog can someone say you don't know about combat sports and then say the WEC and UFC 135 and 145 belts aren't the exact same thing. It's literally the exact same division they just moved it. Same champs, same contenders, even the same match maker. They even made a big show of giving Cruz both belts just to make sure it was obvious to even the stupidest of mma fans

You're using acronyms like "smh", do you believe your opinion holds weight? No, they aren't the exact same thing, sorry. I don't know if you understand what the word exact means, but it doesn't mean what you think it means, at all. Matchmaker is one word, why don't you know that? Unless of course you're talking about someone who makes...matches? The WEC doesn't exist, you understand that don't you?

 

[TheNightmanCometh]

I understand what you're saying. I think regardless of eras, Frankie would have always beaten Faber. And yes he could have made the weight. But the point is, Faber was the best 145lb fighter in the world at one point, Frankie did not weigh 145lbs when Faber did, just cause he could have made the weight doesn't hold any bearing. Could Frankie have cut down and beat him? Probably. But he never weighed 145 or competed at 145...therefore he was not the best 145'er around. Urijah when he held the WEC title was the best 145'er available.

I can't dispute that Faber held the WEC belt and Edgar didn't, that is a fact. My only issue is that without seeing Faber and Frankie fight during that time, and seeing how both fighters progressed throughout the years it is very reasonable to say that Frankie would have beaten Faber. Meaning that although Faber was the WEC champ and arguably the best, I can't personally say with 100% certainty he was the best in the world when a guy like Edgar was beast moding on the 155 lb. division. Especially since Edgar is a 5'6" fighter that is smaller than the 5'6" Faber.

 

[El Fernas]

Faber got many opportunities to catch the UFC belt, its not like he never got the chance and that is what sealed his legacy, even when he is an all time great, he doesnt fall in the same category as someone who never made it to the UFC and ruled a division at some point.

 

[AtomicPanther]

What's sorry is you trying to lord it over people that you've "been here" for 8 years, but you have barely been here for that 8 years. It's like calling yourself a 20 year resident of California when all you had was a summer home there.

You're taking this way too seriously. Relax, it's just an internet forum. You seem a little rustled.

 

[DaleyChamp]

Wineland or Bowles shouldnt be known as all time greats anyways!

 

[tenniswhiz]

Guys like Wineland, Faber, Bowles, Torres, etc...who will never be seen as One of the all time greats because they never won a UFC Title

Yet they were all World Champs at a time where the WEC was the top promotion for the lighter guys. It was the UFC for the Bantamweights, Featherweights...etc.

I don't hold the same belief for the WEC LW Belt, because the UFC LW division already existed and was the premiere organzation.

I feel bad for some of those guys who did become the best 145'ers/135'ers in the world at one point but will never be given the distinction of being an all time great due to not having a "UFC" title in their resume

Well, 2 WEC LW champs came to the UFC and won the UFC LW belt.
A 3rd WEC fighter, who was a top contender in that org, became a contender in the UFC.
WEC 155 was for real!

 

[tenniswhiz]

WEC for bantamweight and featherweight was definitely the premiere league, but it still was something like the UFC's women divisions today. Torres was a really good fighter, but he was simply the first really good fighter to distinguish himself in the division.

And shouldn't he get props for that?
If you make an all time BW list, Torres is Top 3, arguably even #1.

 

[ilfirin]

Winning a UFC title doesn't automatically make you an all-time great. Just FYI.

 

[Davemeddlehed]

You're taking this way too seriously. Relax, it's just an internet forum. You seem a little rustled.

I'm not at all rustled. I was just pointing out the irony.

 

[AtomicPanther]

I'm not at all rustled. I was just pointing out the irony.

You mean the irony in my post pointing out the irony in your post? Very loopy

 

[Davemeddlehed]

You mean the irony in my post pointing out the irony in your post? Very loopy

Irony within irony. Irony inception.

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[AtomicPanther]

Irony within irony. Irony inception.

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I knew it was a dream....... just couldn't remember who's it was. Just like when I watched that confusing, but awesome movie.

 

[RiverCity]

No, the WEC belt is not the same belt as the UFC belt, sorry. I don't care if WEC got absorbed, the belt isn't the same.

When the UFC started its lighter weight divisions, it didn't have a tournament to determine who would get the inaugural belts. It simply deemed Aldo and Cruz - the WEC featherweight and bantamweight champions at the time - to be the UFC's featherweight and bantamweight champions. This means the legitimacy of the UFC belts for these two weight classes is based upon the history of the WEC. For this reason, as well as the fact that the WEC was the premier division for fighters under 155 lbs at the time it was dissolved, the UFC and the WEC belts for the featherweight and bantamweight divisions are essentially one and the same.

Casuals may not recognize the prestige of the two abovementioned WEC belts, but that does not make them any less prestigious in reality.

 

[Lawrence]

How typical, all your arguments get shut down and your immediate response is to use an excuse that will protect your ego. Hell, why not just call me a troll so you can really solidify in your mind that this is all a bad dream? If you truly believe that how long someone has been apart of a forum directly correlates to their knowledge then I feel deeply sorry for you.

You shut down no arguments you ass-wipe.

Faber and Torres defended many times against the best from around the world...

They were world champs

You have earned the douche belt

 

[Kingz]

To be honest, i only feel bad for Faber and Mike Thomas Brown...maybe especially Mike Thomas Brown who never gets mention

Miguel Torres was never great IMO. Maeda and Mizugaki were probably his best wins...and those were battles. Bowles was champion for a cup of coffee and immediately fizzled out. Wineland was/is a solid fighter but he's always been rated fairly.

 

[TheNightmanCometh]

When the UFC started its lighter weight divisions, it didn't have a tournament to determine who would get the inaugural belts. It simply deemed Aldo and Cruz - the WEC featherweight and bantamweight champions at the time - to be the UFC's featherweight and bantamweight champions. This means the legitimacy of the UFC belts for these two weight classes is based upon the history of the WEC. For this reason, as well as the fact that the WEC was the premier division for fighters under 155 lbs at the time it was dissolved, the UFC and the WEC belts for the featherweight and bantamweight divisions are essentially one and the same.

Casuals may not recognize the prestige of the two abovementioned WEC belts, but that does not make them any less prestigious in reality.

Jesus Christ man, read the thread before posting.

You shut down no arguments you ass-wipe.

Faber and Torres defended many times against the best from around the world...

They were world champs

You have earned the douche belt

Being the "world" champ doesn't make you the world champion, understand? Oh, but thanks for repeating the same thing the other guy said after he got shut down and scrammed.

 

[Lawrence]

Jesus Christ man, read the thread before posting.



Being the "world" champ doesn't make you the world champion, understand? Oh, but thanks for repeating the same thing the other guy said after he got shut down and scrammed.

McGregor, Aldo, Brown, Faber.....

That is the lineal world championship line for the UFC featherweight tile.

The only world champion not to defend is the current world champion.

Fucking troll

 

[TheNightmanCometh]

McGregor, Aldo, Brown, Faber.....

That is the lineal world championship line for the UFC featherweight tile.

The only world champion not to defend is the current world champion.

Fucking troll

Faber was never the UFC champ and neither was Brown, sorry. Say troll all you want...

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