International Huge Protests in New Zealand Over Maori Bill

[A Very Serious Cat]

Yeah people would mock or ignore it so they brought in rules that you have to line up and 'accept' the haka. Other Polynesian countries have their own similar performances so that's fun when they both do one.

Fwiw a lot of ordinary nz people thought this this is bullshit, it is a challenge and the opposition rightfully should be able to give their response

 

[plataoplombo]

video was kinda sick. the haka usually looks so out of place, it makes people cringe but her ripping up the paper was kinda dope. i also don't know shit about this bill so no opinion on that. just a cool video.

Agreed. I only like seeing the Haka when the All Black's do it. Any other time it's like oof.

 

[Yehudim]

Trolls used to at least try. This is just pathettic.

I am not trolling, I 100% believe everything I typed out.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Word out on 4chan is that the Maori are being sort of targeted because they were massively antivaxx and are very opposed to Muslim and African immigration. Would like to hear a local give an opinion on it.

Yeah I've read that they killed bills which would have allowed 2 million immigrants.

 

[Quadtavius Tuck]

Damn, regular kiwis doesn't have the same rights? What are we talking about here?

Btw, maori people are some of the best in the world, met so many nice maoris when I was in NZ.

How many Maori men did you have extreme hakka sex with?

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

I wasn't being homophonic, I was being sexist. I assume only a girl would go into a thread they don't care for and start crying

I assumed pregnancy was the cause.

You do that all the time though....

 

[Yehudim]

STFU!!!
You filthy bacon-hater.
Just keep you stupid opinion to yourself.

Do what you will with it, play with it, shove if up yours, whatever. We don't care.

I love bacon, I am making fun of people who make it part of their personality and love Keanu Reeves and refer to their pets as fur babies.

 

[aitkenmike]

Māori signed a treaty with the Crown in 1840. Over the years it has been broken again and again and again. Since around the 1970's and more so since the 1990's there have been settlements to a number of Iwi (tribes) for breaches and land confiscations. Mostly this involves some monetary compensation, some (small amounts) of land back, rights to fishing quota and other natural resources. There has also been a move to live up to the terms of the treaty, article 2 of which kept the Iwi's rights to Rangitrirtanga (loosely - control) over their land, their waters and their taonga (loosely - treasures) by legislating for greater consultation rights (and in some cases co-management) of resources etc...

There is a (large) minority of people that don't like this, and want to unilaterally redefine the 'principles' of the treaty in legislation to become an essentially meaningless constitutional document, under the guise of equal rights'. I would like to think that the right wings principles of upholding the sanctity of a contract, and wanting to change a treaty or contract by good faith negotiation by both parties would win out, but sadly the racism and worry of someone else getting something that i'm not tends to win out.

That doesn't even go in to the place that Māori have in society, with poorer educational outcomes, poorer health, greater poverty, more incarceration, and less so now, but massive discrimination in the past including loss of language by the prohibition of the use of Te Reo in schools (not just in class). These people are against any measures to work to reduce any of those stats.

The party introducing the legislation received 8% of the vote, but went in to the Government in coallition, and insisted on the bill getting through to this stage as part of the agreement. The other parties in Government have committed to voting against it in the next stage.

 

[aitkenmike]

Word out on 4chan is that the Maori are being sort of targeted because they were massively antivaxx and are very opposed to Muslim and African immigration. Would like to hear a local give an opinion on it.

That is nonsense. The people introducing this bill are theoretically libertarian antivaxx (or if not that exactly, supportive of the rights of those that were antivaxx) and for stricter immigration controls. Maori were not hugely more antivaxx than the general population, but probably do lean more towards stricter immigration controls on the whole.

 

[aitkenmike]

Fwiw a lot of ordinary nz people thought this this is bullshit, it is a challenge and the opposition rightfully should be able to give their response

You don't need to line up and accept it. The rule brought in (which is stupid) is that both sides need to stay behind their own 40m line to avoid confrontation. The other side can ignore it and go and warm up in their ingoal for all the rules care. I also agree that that would cause an uproar about 'disrespecting' the haka (which is nonsense, we don't have a right to make someone stand there and watch), but it is not against the rules.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

IIRC the Haka started as like a war dance; but now people do it kind of for all occasions.... being happy, mad, distraught, celebrating etc.

It's basically the physical form of "pura vida" lol

 

[Koro_11]

Yeah, this whole nonsense of discriminating against people based on some fucking bullshit from how many hundreds of years ago just needs to stop. I don’t give a fuck what your ancestors went through and I don’t want you to give a fuck about mine, I owe you absolutely nothing and I’ll give you absolutely nothing. If someone feels they do owe you something, they are free to give it to you out of their own pocket and keep it to themselves. This should be everyone’s response to this.

 

[aitkenmike]

IIRC the Haka started as like a war dance; but now people do it kind of for all occasions.... being happy, mad, distraught, celebrating etc.

It's basically the physical form of "pura vida" lol

No, it didn't start as a war dance. It was used as a war dance, as a challenge, as a welcome, as a farewell, as inspiration...

The most famous one (the 'All Black haka" used by the NZ Rugby team) was composed as a celebration after Te Rauparaha escaped from his enemies - "I die, I die, I live, I live...".