Its unfortunate.
If you chose to selectively engineer a Martial art based on fighting pretty, shit talking and twitter popularity, - by buying 50 plus elite to rookie fighters in each division and then selectively firing talent that doesnt hit those demographics, regardless of talent and accomplishment, others will call you out on it.
I am actually going out tonight, so i cant do all of this point tennis right now.
McKee, Volkmann, Fitch and Okami were all fired on one loss.
Diaz hadnt earned the GSP fight. He also punched GSP after the bell repeatedly.
The Sonnen v Jones fight happened for a reason, and i doubt it was some call out bs. Tell me the whole story again, starting with Jones being attacked for observing professional standards with regard to late replacements. Signing Justin Beiber for the womens division would bring attention to the game too. But tell me, who is really seeking attention now. Sports have legacy because they have lineage and pedigree. UFC is vandalizing its own claim to these things.
You brought up Okami, but the guy was ranked 6th. Its a stupid cut in the context of any competitive sport. He was a competitor, not a team member. So dont come back with that retort.
Fanbase is obviously important. Im not too sure why results are custimarily disregarded either. Davis beats machida, and is behind Gus and Glover, who have zero wins over the current top 10...
The guy on the bottom is worse than the guy on the top.
Why are these guys still here?
Let the baying crowd take this one.
Theres plenty of opinion on both sides to go around.
Some have paid to be heard, and others are just saying what they see.
This post doesn't address anything I said in the post you quoted. It makes zero sense in the context of what I said.
To address your post:
I would even argue that Palhares DOES "fight pretty" (at least DURING the fight). He goes all out for a finish and if he doesn't get often gets finished himself. That is EXACTLY the type of fighter you keep claiming the UFC favors. So in essence you are arguing against yourself. Unfortunately for Palhares in addition to "fighting pretty" he also fights dirty.
You are basically trying to shoehorn Palhares into your Okami obsession from last week. It just doesn't fit tho.
Paul Harris wasn't banned for using a leg lock and you know it. Also you said "presumably." What the UFC is turning into is a profit monger. If you don't make them money they will cut you.
PrinceOfPain said:And then there's you, who sees nothing, but desperately wants to express an opinion anyway.
But sure, cheers buddy.
Bail like you always do after stirring the shit. I'll see you around.
ethanfranklin doesn't address facts... They cramp his style.
You are basically trying to shoehorn Palhares into your Okami obsession from last week. It just doesn't fit tho.
ethanfranklin doesn't address facts... They cramp his style.
Well played, sir. Well played.
Friend or foe, enjoy your night.
Has the UFC cut anyone that could be a future champ? Answer: No
The UFC is still the best MMA org, with the most skillful guys in the world.
Ethan do you have a job other than crying about every move the UFC makes?
A legit org would suspend him pending an appeal.
Now we are missing one of the premier exponents of that game.
Another marker has been left.
Eww.
McKee, Volkmann, Fitch and Okami were not fired just because of one loss.
I covered the Diaz/GSP fight in my post, you just don't know the sport, or don't pay attention.
Bringing up Justin Bieber is off topic .
Making an extreme (-ly stupid) example of something I said doesn't make your original point any less dim.
Cutting the 6th ranked guy is not stupid when he has little-to-nothing left to offer the organisation from a sporting or business perspective. Keeping him on the payroll is.
I had no intention of making a "team member" retort; don't be stupid.
Glad you're aware that fanbases matter. You argue as though you're ignorant of this fact.
Davis also has far worse recent showings than Glover or Gus. Context, child.
Why is the guy on the bottom worse than the guy on the top?
The "baying crowd" (ie, everyone who points out the flaws in your logic) always take this one, and any other one you bring up.
Plenty of opinions, yes. And like most of them, yours is uneducated and ill-considered.
And then there's you, who sees nothing, but desperately wants to express an opinion anyway.
But sure, cheers buddy.
Bail like you always do after stirring the shit. I'll see you around.
Again you fail to take into account his past. He has done this 4 times in Mma bouts (2 in the UFC). He has recently failed a drug test and was coming off 2 losses. He was on the thinnest of ice before this fight. Had he lost, he likely would've been cut. Had he failed a drug test, he likely would have been cut. Had he done exactly what he DID do, well we know how that turned out.
Like I said, this cut had nothing to do with his style, unless you consider fighting dirty a style. So trying to equate this to Okami, Fitch, etc. is just silly.
Damn man. Were you waiting all friday night/saturday morning for me to reply?
When you get 30 second reponses, it does feel a bit shill like.
Do you guys have a buzzer or something?
He deserves the chance to appeal, before sentence. UFC would be following best practice to allow that.
Damn man. Were you waiting all friday night/saturday morning for me to reply?
When you get 30 second reponses, it does feel a bit shill like.
Do you guys have a buzzer or something?
On a friday night, i dont stay inside to address facts on sherdog.
Trying to make capital out of me going out on a friday night, after your little shill friend tried to admonish me for posting in my own thread.
Eww.
I was being kind of friendly, and i come back to trolls mating and hating.
Lets hope they dont reproduce.
off topic
off topic
Come on, man.
Try harder, and stick to the topic at hand.
If you can't justify your original point, it's time to just let this thread die, and start a new one tomorrow.
That's been your trend hasn't it?
Kids woke me up early. No Premier League today, so I'm bored waiting for football.
Anyway, why would they wait for an appeal of sentence that was far too lenient to begin with? Granted they didn't even wait for the sentence but given it was the Brazilian commission, we all knew the sentence would not be too harsh.
Surprisingly this is one of the better threads I've seen here in a while, quite a few well thought out points have been made.
LOL, you are jumping up on a Saturday morning to make 10 minute later responses, after waiting up for me all night.
I wont be taking any "life advice" from you, you sad little man.
The original point has more than been justified, hence the interest you have shilling the thread.
They are attacking him on a reputation level. They could have at least given him the chance to appeal. It would have mattered little, and frankly if the brazilian commish is so bad, then thats just more crap against the sport.
Dana goes to brazil with trt using guys quite often, that cant get exemption in America. Guess thats all part of the sport though.
Suspend him. Let him appeal. Ban him.
Due process is good practice.
I wish people would consider each thing on a case by case basis.
Each of OP's points are debatable, and overall, don't have anything to do with each other.
I disagreed with the Okami cut, and less so with the Fitch cut.
Going to war the dominant wrestling?
As a longtime MMA fan, I don't understand the "noobs" referring to this as a sport. There was another sport before this sport. And now MMA has evolved into yet another sport.
Ever since Kevin Randleman became the HW champ by laying on top of Pedro Rizzo and Pete Williams, this hasn't been what most fans want to see.
And now with the random/surprise TD's and various other 10-9 techniques, it has evolved even more into something that's less and less of a fight.
IMO, the downside of it (as a BJJ guy) is that using BJJ has become less and less of an option. There is no point in playing guard, even if you have the other guy on the defensive, because anything short of submitting him = losing the round. Passing guard and getting positions is risky because the guy might escape and get back up, as well as the fact that the judges don't care at all if you do pass guard. Even sweeps don't seem to be strongly considered; the initial TD is scored far more heavily.
Basically, guys with excellent BJJ only use it to get back up after a TD, with very few exceptions.
There is also this new trend of counting strikes and evaluating some as "significant" strikes. I've seen that many of these "significant" strikes aren't significant at all.
Whereas, rocking someone and almost finishing them is truly significant.... example: in the first title fight (2nd fight) between Gray Maynard and Frankie Edgar, how many significant strikes did each throw? I'll tell you: Gray threw about 12 significant strikes and Frankie threw about Zero. Fightmetric and Compustrike coming up with numbers different from that is a joke to me.