However you feel about it, UFC is redefining itself as a stylized MA org.

[spunkbun**]

 

[phatron]

To be fair, ive probably been watching UFC since before you were born, so il post what i like bro.

nope. I was 14 when the ufc started....and been watching since then bro.

 

[MaTaLa]

Hipster contrarian threads are so 2010

 

[MrKilroyT]

Look im inclined to agree on this one.

I think he should get to defend himself, and get a hearing.

Thats all.

There are some pervasive double standards if you look at the strikeforce brawl and the daley firing.

Likewise, BJPenn held a blood choke past the end of the fight, which would be attempted murder in some states.

Lets not pretend Palhares is the first guy to be in the line of fire for this.

Diaz repeatedly hit GSP after the round.

Lets not pretend Palhares is the first guy to be judged to have continued fighting after the bell, or that he is being judged equanimously.

Pulver wasn't out. "Attempted murder" - really?

Diaz doesn't throw hard enough, even after the bell, to hurt GSP, so GSPs career was not in danger. But seriously, I would've been fine throwing him to the curb as well.

 

[m52nickerson]

It doesnt matter if it isnt the entirety of the sport.

The UFC is not sport, period.

and that means its not MMA.

UFC = A MMA Promotion Company

MMA = A Sport

You seem to mix this up all the time.

 

[rjmbrd]

Nevertheless, they have taken out one of the premier leg lock specialists in the game. He represented an asset in the diversity of fighting, however much he earned his exit.

Palhares was money, as well.

Palhares has lost to every elite fighter he's faced. Hendo, Marquardt, Belcher and Lombard. Three of those guys fantastically knocked him out.

I keep trying to get my head around people pretending like Palhares isn't coming off of double KO losses and failed PEDS test. He was on the thinnest of thin ice.

 

[kflo]

Its a sport. There are rules.

You cant just fire people arbitrarily without destroying your own credibility.

players get cut in football all the time without a press release detailing why they were cut.

palhares wasn't arbitrarily fired.

 

[sprucelees]

wonder what the sport will look like 50 years from now

 

[PrinceOfPain]

You bitched about the Okami cut, and although it was a little whiny I could see the rationality behind your point. And, while I couldn't get behind it fully, I could understand it.
The Okami cut could be said to call into question the legitimacy of the UFC as a sport, fine.

But, this time they cut an exciting, interesting and marketable fighter because he broke the rules, and put their other fighters at risk.
This cut was good for the legitimacy of the sport, so how can you have a problem with it? Palhares was not cut because he's a leg lock specialist, he was cut because he has a history of cheating.
Unless there's something else you're seeing in this move that I'm not?
Also: "presumably edging towards recriminations against point striking," isn't really a good argument. What makes you say that they're targeting "point strikers"?
And, how is holding onto the fence - a part of an artificial environment - an element of effective martial arts?

Cutting guys like this on 1 loss is not "promoting the best fighters", it is cutting the best fighters.

Well, no.
Okami was not the best fighter, and he was not in the top 5. Chances are, he was never going to be the best fighter. He was just going to continue losing to the best (and Tim Boetsch).
His style had worked for him for a long time, but in his last 6 he's only won 3. He was KO/TKOed three times, while snatching two decisions (one of which was split) and one TKO over Buddy Roberts (who?).

His style is not being targeted, so much as his increasing inability to impose his style successfully.
He's a grappler who just lost to a grappler, in a division whose current champion is predominantly a grappler.
The difference between Okami and Jacare/Weidman? The latter two have evolved their styles to make them greater threats everywhere.

He's trained himself into a corner wherein he is very rarely a threat to his opponents, but has proven that they are always a potential threat to him. That means he is not one of the best, and it doesn't even take one of the best to stop him.

Up and coming fighters are best defined by how they do against the elite, and not how they persevere or fail, in a progressively more stylized version of the sport, against each other.

E Silva, just got KTFO by a wrestler, in his own back yard.

In fact wrestling is strong.

I agree that up and coming fighters are best defined in competition with the elite... But what makes you think Okami still qualifies as 'elite'?

And, yeah, DHK is a wrestler... A wrestler who is still signed to the UFC despite having a greater ratio of "boring" decision victories than Okami.


If the UFC as a pure sport isn't meeting your expectations, then watch more worldwide MMA, where all the 'best fighters' that the UFC is cutting are ending up.

 

[CrashStitches]

Im not too bothered about Palhares.

He has no one to blame but himself.

^Too dangerous for the UFC?

I thought Okami was bullshit, because of who he was, how good he was, and what it represented.

Weve all argued about the rights and wrongs, and how it reflects on the "sport".

One thing is for sure though.

UFC is rapidly redefining itself as a stylized MA org.

We could get into the trash talking and the twitter leagues, but its really not necessary.

By going to war with dominant wrestling, banning one of the best leg specialists in the world, and presumably edging towards recriminations against point striking, and holding on the fence, - all these things are taking out elements of effective martial arts, that are constituents of MMA.

Whatever you feel about it, it creates an undeniable reality, of a stylized MA org, in place of the traditional broad roof, MMA free for all.

What an utter load of trash this premise is. Pure shit. Garbage. Drek.

 

[CrashStitches]

Such a propensity to waste words over nothing. Don't be mad that others don't match your empty verbosity with their own flood of bullshit.

 

[m52nickerson]

What are they promoting bud?

They are promoting MMA fights.

Why would I have to explain that to you?

 

[ethanfranklin]

They are promoting MMA fights.

Why would I have to explain that to you?

MMA fights with martial arts taken out and where the fighters are told how to fight.

Sounds great bud.

Such a propensity to waste words over nothing. Don't be mad that others don't match your empty verbosity with their own flood of bullshit.

I think someone went tickleduster with my retorts.

Not playing this game anymore.

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We are but jokers and the kings have spoken,. Lets tone it down a notch people.

 

[m52nickerson]

MMA fights with martial arts taken out and where the fighters are told how to fight.

Sounds great bud.

What martial arts are taken out?

All MMA fights have rules that tell fighters how they can fight. The UFC is telling fighters they need to try and finish fights, which they all should, and not just stall in positions to win rounds.

Stalling is not a martial art.

Again I will ask, what martial arts have been taken out?

 

[ethanfranklin]

What martial arts are taken out?

All MMA fights have rules that tell fighters how they can fight. The UFC is telling fighters they need to try and finish fights, which they all should, and not just stall in positions to win rounds.

Stalling is not a martial art.

Again I will ask, what martial arts have been taken out?

Rules are based on safety, wrestling in all its forms is a martial art.

There are pre existing rules against stalling.

Who is the best leg locker in the UFC now? Khabib?

 

[MrKilroyT]

Rules are based on safety, wrestling in all its forms is a martial art.

There are pre existing rules against stalling.

Who is the best leg locker in the UFC now? Khabib?

Your posts make it seem like you believe the UFC was somehow obligated to keep Palhares simply bc he is good at leg locks. Why? The guy was likely on thin ice before this fight given his recent performances and failed drug test.

The UFC does not have to employ the best leg lock specialist in the world

 

[PrinceOfPain]

I received notification that I was quoted by Ethan... yet I arrive to find nothing?

 

[Flexwave2003]

I have an overwhelming desire to protect the UFC and shit all over the thread starter. It just seems like the right thing to do.

 

[m52nickerson]

Rules are based on safety, wrestling in all its forms is a martial art.

There are pre existing rules against stalling.

Who is the best leg locker in the UFC now? Khabib?

Wrestling is not being removed, in any way shape of form. Sorry to tell you this. There are still plenty of high level wrestlers in the UFC that are in no danger of being cut. So you assertion that a martial art is being removed is flat out wrong.

Not all rules are for safety. The whole reason rounds and time limits were put in was because broadcast limitations. So again one of your assertions is wrong.

Palhares was not cut because of his style. He was cut because he acted in an unsportsman like fashion, something that he has done before in the past. Yes, others have done similar, but none have the history as he does. His cut has nothing to do with style.

 

[m52nickerson]