Social how long has this cultural and political divide been going on in the US?

I think there's more to it than social media, we have the same access to social media in the UK and the vast majority of people are pretty centrist.

We don't have your hyper partisan news channels though, they did try to get a right wing news channel going but its viewing figures are appalling.


Saying that though mate, if you go on left-wing social media they openly demonise 'centrists' as being worse than right-wingers because essentially "they aren't picking a side". This cancer is definitely spreading to our shores, we always import bullshit from America and this stuff is slowly starting to take hold. In 3-4 years time I reckon shit will be horrific over here, too.
 
It's mostly the internet. It existed to some extent before, the media always pumped out fake news to protect narratives, but instead of being more careful now that people can fact check them, they've actually turned it up to 11 and become more steadfast in their dishonesty.

Couple that with people now not only interacting with each other who probably wouldn't have before, but doing it semi anonymously where you can be as rude as you want and say shit you would never say to someone's face.

You can see the difference in Obama's 2008 campaign vs his 2012 campaign that coincides with all of this. 2008 was mostly about his left wing policies, and 2012 it turned into almost entirely identity politics after his first term brought the worst economic recovery in 100 years and the middle class was becoming the minority. It turned into crying about Fox News, calling everybody who doesn't support him a racist, and "Trayvon Martin could have been my son". Then of course a year into his 2nd term after getting substantially fewer votes than 2008, the middle class finally did become a minority, BLM sprouted up with the "hands up don't shoot" lie, and anybody who didn't like it was called a white supremacist.


End thread. Nail on the fucking head.
 
I don’t understand devotion to any political party. People don’t seem to realize that politicians don’t have your well-being at heart, no matter the party. Politicians are in it for power and wealth, period. Every single one one them sells their soul to the highest bidder along the way. Whenever they do something that benefits the masses, be sure that they get something out of it, be it “donations” or furthering of their own political ambitions. The “my side is better” is laughable.
 
Saying that though mate, if you go on left-wing social media they openly demonise 'centrists' as being worse than right-wingers because essentially "they aren't picking a side". This cancer is definitely spreading to our shores, we always import bullshit from America and this stuff is slowly starting to take hold. In 3-4 years time I reckon shit will be horrific over here, too.

I genuinely don't think enough people on here go on left wing social media for it to be much of a problem. We'll have a group of left and right wing weirdos who the rest of us will hopefully just point and laugh at.
 
I noticed it getting kinda bad after Obama was elected, and then really, really bad once Trump was in office. I’d say about 10 years.

There has always been political rifts in America though and TBH even this current divide and cancel culture is nothing new. Look at the communist party scare like 50 years ago where people were getting “cancelled” after being accused of being communists.
 
It's funny how you say that Obama had the worst economic recovery in 100 years when he had a higher economic growth rate than both Bush and Trump.
Also didn´t have a world war to spark growth. The US was also one of the countries in the entire world to get through the GFC best/fastest.. But let´s not mention that.
That´s not even mentioning him shoehorning in the demise of the middle class, when the destruction of the middle class has been Republican policy since Reagan. Hell the Trump admin was in court to try and remove worker/consumer rights and protections.
It´s partisan culture war bullshit. Seems to be pretty much what the republicans have currently.
 
I don’t understand devotion to any political party. People don’t seem to realize that politicians don’t have your well-being at heart, no matter the party. Politicians are in it for power and wealth, period. Every single one one them sells their soul to the highest bidder along the way. Whenever they do something that benefits the masses, be sure that they get something out of it, be it “donations” or furthering of their own political ambitions. The “my side is better” is laughable.

This so much tbh.

We need to stop looking at politicians as superheroes and villain type figures. It’s becoming cult like.
 
I noticed a big change after Obama’s election.
The great divider no doubt. Had he embraced the nation and acknowledged that anything is possible for those of any race, religion or creed he could have united us all. Instead him and his racist wife claimed she was finally proud to be an American and Obama went after cops and started glorifying criminal shit stains.
 
I genuinely don't think enough people on here go on left wing social media for it to be much of a problem. We'll have a group of left and right wing weirdos who the rest of us will hopefully just point and laugh at.


it's mad innit - how can it be a bad thing to consider both sides of an argument, and make a rational personal decision / opinion on something? Rationale is being demonised by a lot of weirdos around the globe. Common sense is dying and is being replaced with 'faith/feelings' - no different to religion.
 
Also didn´t have a world war to spark growth. The US was also one of the countries in the entire world to get through the GFC best/fastest.. But let´s not mention that.
That´s not even mentioning him shoehorning in the demise of the middle class, when the destruction of the middle class has been Republican policy since Reagan. Hell the Trump admin was in court to try and remove worker/consumer rights and protections.
It´s partisan culture war bullshit. Seems to be pretty much what the republicans have currently.

That was the main strategy (along with big corporate tax cuts) of the Trump administration: to weaken consumer and financial protections

Consumer Financial Protection Bureau was greatly weakened under Trump

The Payday loan industry was deregulated under him

Dodd Frank was also weakened under him

The corporate tax rate was lowered from 35 percent to 21 percent as well
 
It all started in mid 2000's with first Kobe dropping the F bomb on live TV (not fuck) and having to do like 50,000 psa's. Then after that...the gays had rights.
 
It's mostly the internet. It existed to some extent before, the media always pumped out fake news to protect narratives, but instead of being more careful now that people can fact check them, they've actually turned it up to 11 and become more steadfast in their dishonesty.

Couple that with people now not only interacting with each other who probably wouldn't have before, but doing it semi anonymously where you can be as rude as you want and say shit you would never say to someone's face.

You can see the difference in Obama's 2008 campaign vs his 2012 campaign that coincides with all of this. 2008 was mostly about his left wing policies, and 2012 it turned into almost entirely identity politics after his first term brought the worst economic recovery in 100 years and the middle class was becoming the minority. It turned into crying about Fox News, calling everybody who doesn't support him a racist, and "Trayvon Martin could have been my son". Then of course a year into his 2nd term after getting substantially fewer votes than 2008, the middle class finally did become a minority, BLM sprouted up with the "hands up don't shoot" lie, and anybody who didn't like it was called a white supremacist.
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That's the entire reason for debate. 100 million people don't vote in national elections, and that number is probably much higher for local politics. Not everyone has chosen a side - you just don't hear much from the people that haven't. If you want to convine them to vote for your "side" then you need to present good arguments and debate. It's not to convince the person that you're debating against, but for the undecided audience listening.
I agree. I considered adding to my post but didn't and part of what you said it what I was already thinking.
 
I think the country has become polarized in a lot of ways. The neighborhood I grew up in had a mix of people living next door to each other. My parents were teachers, the guy across the street worked for a trucking company, and the neighbor next to him was a corporate lawyer. I don't think you get that kind of mix anymore. People live in more segregated communities. The wealth divide has increased dramatically and that has exacerbated this separation, no way a corporate lawyer is living next to a trucker these days. That corporate lawyer is living in a gated community next to a bunch of other rich white-collar workers. And of course the rise of modern media, when I was a kid there were 3 TV stations, so everyone was watching the same thing. All these things contribute to people living separate lives and having completely disparate world views.


I don't really agree. Sure, high end corporate lawyers are balling but today police, electricians, truck drivers, accountants can all easily make 100k. Teachers maybe 90 after 20 years experience. Prosecuting attorneys are started around 50k. You can make decent money doing a wide array of jobs
 
And you think this just started around 2015? Come on, there's been a stark divide when it comes to abortion, gay marriage, stem cell therapy treatments, transgender rights, etc. since before 2015 between the two sides.
It started a long time ago. @TheRealHNIC mentioned this as well.

I picked 2015 as a key time and a stark divide because that's when BLM, gay marriage, trannies and the Marxists movement of the Democrat Party and media really went full throttle against our traditional American values and against the Bible. Since 2015, the Left has put the pedal to the floor on the lgbtq, Marxist, crt, globalist and pandemic stuff. I think hard lines were drawn around 2015
 
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You quoted me and I thought perhaps you were wondering why I was referring to a post as antisemitic. I explained why.

All you did was explain that you read somewhere that "Cultural Marxism" was anti-semitic theory. That doesn't tell me anything. You didnt explain how what I said had anything to do with Semites. I didn't say anything about them.

You are actually practicing cultural marxism right now by randomly accusing people of racism rather than addressing the substance of what I'm saying. Please stop injecting your toxic marxism into places it doesn't belong. You're destroying the country.
 
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