Social How do we sleep while our beds are burning? The climate changing thread

[Andy Capp]

I for my part just not get the "ThErE iS nO cLiMaTe ChAnGe BeCaUsE tHiS sUmMeR wAs So CoLd AnD iN 1983 tHeRe WaS a WaRm WiNtEr!!" I mean, if you’re older than 30, you can already see the difference for yourself.

For us in Europe—which now includes the entire continent from north to south—we just don’t have winters as cold as they used to be 30 years ago. There’s absolutely no room for denial here. It doesn’t get as cold as it used to, and in the valleys of Austria, Germany, Slovenia, Croatia, etc., we barely get two weeks of continuous snow. It used to snow from December until March; nowadays, we’re lucky to get 15 days of snow in a row. Honestly, I can’t even remember the last time that happened.

Even in Russia, winters have become warmer. Recently, there was a winter where all the snow melted in December—something that had never happened in my seven years there. Back then, snow would fall at the end of November and wouldn’t disappear until April.

And don’t even get me started on summers… In Vienna, we now have about 70 tropical nights per year, whereas in the 1980s the average was just 3–5. This trend isn’t limited to Vienna—it’s happening all across Austria.

There are literally millions of examples like this, all observable by people themselves, yet some still deny global warming. I honestly don’t understand how someone can be so blind to the obvious.

Futher to this,

Mosquitoes found in Iceland for first time as climate crisis warms country

Three specimens discovered in what was previously one of the few places in the world without the insects

www.theguardian.com

 

[ShadowRun]

lol

 

[lifelessheap]

Blame politicians who sent our industry to China. China doesn't fucking care. India doesn't care. The third world doesn't care. The US has reduced pollution and muh green house gasses by a ton.

And don't forget that CO2 is literally plant food used by plants in photosynthesis. Plants pull it down and store it. Indoor pot farms pump it in for bigger yeilds.

 

[Osculater]

Climate change is the greatest con job ever in my opinion.

—Donny Trump

 

[Loiosh]

Hahaha sure

Rogan believes hardcore in climate change you dope..

"WoRsT ItS EvEr BeEn"

What we know 0.0176% of 4.54 billion of time and data or your number is at 11%

• High-resolution climate records (like ice cores) go back only about 800,000 years
• Modern, accurate temperature records span just the last ~150 years

I won't take the time to explain the serious problems with the numbers you're claiming because I know you don't care at all about climate change.

Joe is a confused stoner who from time to time has expressed confidence in the science behind climate activism, but he's infamous for believing what the last person told him, and right now he's cozying up to conservatives in Texas.

Here's just a single piece of misinformation he's spreading, and the explanation of why he's wrong. He's repeated it dozens of times as evidence climate change is a hoax and here's the kicker: If he'd bothered to read the article he references he'd have known the conclusion he's selling is false, it's explained in the article.

This is why people say he's dangerous. He says stupid things to a huge audience.

I know you won't watch this (and fair enough, this guy is annoying as fuck) but if memory serves he also talks about how the actual temperature increase and destination is unlike anything humans have adapted to survive. When someone says the temperature is always changing ask them if they know how fast, and what temperatures we've survived. Huge stretches of the life of this planet have had temperatures we would not survive. The temperature is increasing so quickly now we simply will not have the time to adapt.

 

[Cole train]

Futher to this,

Mosquitoes found in Iceland for first time as climate crisis warms country

Three specimens discovered in what was previously one of the few places in the world without the insects

www.theguardian.com

Was actually about to post that

Now icelanders can suffer like rest of us in north with those bugs

 

[Scerpi]

Was actually about to post that

Now icelanders can suffer like rest of us in north with those bugs

Alaska and Canada has some of the worst mosquitos on the planet. This isn't Climate Change related, but an invasive species issue.

lol

 

[Cole train]

Alaska and Canada has some of the worst mosquitos on the planet. This isn't Climate Change related, but an invasive species issue.

lol

Yea looks like our northern wilderness in summer, hate those fucks

Hence why i hike/hunt in spring,fall or winter lol summer fuck that

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Blame politicians who sent our industry to China. China doesn't fucking care. India doesn't care. The third world doesn't care. The US has reduced pollution and muh green house gasses by a ton.

And don't forget that CO2 is literally plant food used by plants in photosynthesis. Plants pull it down and store it. I door pot farms pump it in for bigger yeilds.

- China is trying to bring that down. india on the other hand looks like hel on Earth, or São Paulo

 

[ShadowRun]

I won't take the time to explain the serious problems with the numbers you're claiming because I know you don't care at all about climate change.

Joe is a confused stoner who from time to time has expressed confidence in the science behind climate activism, but he's infamous for believing what the last person told him, and right now he's cozying up to conservatives in Texas.

Here's just a single piece of misinformation he's spreading, and the explanation of why he's wrong. He's repeated it dozens of times as evidence climate change is a hoax and here's the kicker: If he'd bothered to read the article he references he'd have known the conclusion he's selling is false, it's explained in the article.

This is why people say he's dangerous. He says stupid things to a huge audience.

I know you won't watch this (and fair enough, this guy is annoying as fuck) but if memory serves he also talks about how the actual temperature increase and destination is unlike anything humans have adapted to survive. When someone says the temperature is always changing ask them if they know how fast, and what temperatures we've survived. Huge stretches of the life of this planet have had temperatures we would not survive. The temperature is increasing so quickly now we simply will not have the time to adapt.

Retard Rogan didn't state those talking points his two guest did. Who creds I will take over the random youtuber talking about Rogan and graphs. You thinking attacking Rogan who has done what like 2000 shows and said stupid stuff some how discredits Richard Lindzen & William Happer??? This is why you're very ignorant.


Richard Lindzen (born February 8, 1940) is an American atmospheric physicist and emeritus professor renowned for his foundational work in atmospheric dynamics. He has authored over 200 peer-reviewed scientific papers and is a leading figure in meteorology, though he is highly controversial for his contrarian views on climate change.Background and Credentials

• Education: Earned a PhD in Applied Mathematics from Harvard University in 1968.
• Academic Career: Served as the Gordon McKay Professor of Atmospheric Sciences at Harvard (1972–1983), then Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at MIT (1983–2013, now emeritus). His research focuses on dynamical meteorology, including planetary waves, monsoon meteorology, hydrodynamic instability, global heat transport, the water cycle, ice ages, and stratospheric waves.
• Awards and Honors: Recipient of the American Meteorological Society's (AMS) Meisinger and Charney Awards; American Geophysical Union's (AGU) Jule G. Charney Lecture Award and James B. Macelwane Medal; Leo Huss Walin Prize. Elected to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters, American Academy of Arts and Sciences; Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), AGU, and AMS. Served on the NAS Committee on Human Rights and the NRC Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate.
• Key Contributions: Pioneered studies on gravity waves, Hadley circulation, and ozone photochemistry. Co-authored the 1975 NAS report Understanding Climatic Change. Developed models for Earth's climate stability, CO2 sensitivity, and glaciation cycles.

Role and Views on Climate ChangeLindzen contributed to the IPCC's Second Assessment Report (1995) as a lead author but has since become a prominent skeptic of the consensus on anthropogenic global warming. He argues that climate models overestimate warming due to flawed handling of water vapor feedback and cloud dynamics, calling much of the discourse "climate alarmism" akin to belief in "magic." His "iris hypothesis" (2001) posits that tropical cirrus clouds act as a thermostat, reducing climate sensitivity to CO2 increases—though this has been critiqued and largely refuted by peers. He has testified before Congress (e.g., 1997 Senate hearing), urged withdrawal from the UNFCCC, and received funding from fossil fuel interests (e.g., $30,000 from Peabody Coal). In 2017, 22 MIT colleagues publicly rebutted his claims in an open letter to President Trump, emphasizing the risks of sea-level rise and extreme weather. Despite this, his work remains cited in skeptic circles, and he views natural variability (e.g., solar and ocean cycles) as dominant over human CO2 emissions

William Happer III (born September 27, 1939) is an American physicist specializing in atomic physics, optics, and spectroscopy. He is a vocal critic of mainstream climate science, despite lacking formal training in the field, and has influenced U.S. policy under the Trump administration.Background and Credentials

• Education: Bachelor's in Physics from the University of North Carolina (1960); PhD in Physics from Princeton University (1964).
• Academic Career: Rose to full professor at Columbia University, where he directed the Columbia Radiation Laboratory. Joined Princeton in 1980 as a professor of physics (now emeritus). Supervised non-weapons energy research at the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) under George H.W. Bush (1989–1993), overseeing climate research.
• Awards and Honors: Elected to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS); Fellow of the American Physical Society (APS) and AAAS. No major awards specific to climate science.
• Key Contributions: Over 200 papers in atomic physics, including work on spin polarization, laser cooling, and quantum optics. His DOE role involved broad energy oversight but no direct climate modeling expertise.

Role and Views on Climate ChangeHapper rejects the IPCC consensus, asserting that CO2 is not a pollutant but a "plant food" in a "CO2 drought," and that most 20th-century warming stems from natural causes like solar activity rather than human emissions. He claims benefits from higher CO2 (e.g., enhanced plant growth) outweigh risks and dismisses models as unreliable. Appointed to Trump's National Security Council (2018–2019) as Director of Emerging Technologies, he pushed to challenge the National Climate Assessment and block climate-security testimony (e.g., calling it "propaganda"). He co-founded the CO2 Coalition (2015) to promote CO2's benefits and led a failed APS petition to soften its climate stance. Funded by conservative donors (e.g., Mercer family), he has spoken at skeptic events like the Heartland Institute conferences. Critics, including Princeton colleagues, note his zero peer-reviewed climate papers and view his positions as outside his expertise; he resigned from the NSC amid internal pushback on reelection risks.Comparison of Their Stances on Climate ChangeBoth Lindzen and Happer are NAS members with strong physics/atmospheric credentials but are outliers in climate science, often collaborating (e.g., joint 2018 court filings). They emphasize uncertainties in models and feedbacks while downplaying CO2's role, influencing skeptic narratives despite broad scientific agreement on human-driven warming.

 

[Loiosh]

Retard Rogan didn't state those talking points his two guest did. Who creds I will take over the random youtuber talking about Rogan and graphs. You thinking attacking Rogan who has done what like 2000 shows and said stupid stuff some how discredits Richard Lindzen & William Happer??? This is why you're very ignorant.


Richard Lindzen (born February 8, 1940) is an American atmospheric physicist and emeritus professor renowned for his foundational work in atmospheric dynamics. He has authored over 200 peer-reviewed scientific papers and is a leading figure in meteorology, though he is highly controversial for his contrarian views on climate change.Background and Credentials

• Education: Earned a PhD in Applied Mathematics from Harvard University in 1968.
• Academic Career: Served as the Gordon McKay Professor of Atmospheric Sciences at Harvard (1972–1983), then Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at MIT (1983–2013, now emeritus). His research focuses on dynamical meteorology, including planetary waves, monsoon meteorology, hydrodynamic instability, global heat transport, the water cycle, ice ages, and stratospheric waves.
• Awards and Honors: Recipient of the American Meteorological Society's (AMS) Meisinger and Charney Awards; American Geophysical Union's (AGU) Jule G. Charney Lecture Award and James B. Macelwane Medal; Leo Huss Walin Prize. Elected to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters, American Academy of Arts and Sciences; Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), AGU, and AMS. Served on the NAS Committee on Human Rights and the NRC Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate.
• Key Contributions: Pioneered studies on gravity waves, Hadley circulation, and ozone photochemistry. Co-authored the 1975 NAS report Understanding Climatic Change. Developed models for Earth's climate stability, CO2 sensitivity, and glaciation cycles.

Role and Views on Climate ChangeLindzen contributed to the IPCC's Second Assessment Report (1995) as a lead author but has since become a prominent skeptic of the consensus on anthropogenic global warming. He argues that climate models overestimate warming due to flawed handling of water vapor feedback and cloud dynamics, calling much of the discourse "climate alarmism" akin to belief in "magic." His "iris hypothesis" (2001) posits that tropical cirrus clouds act as a thermostat, reducing climate sensitivity to CO2 increases—though this has been critiqued and largely refuted by peers. He has testified before Congress (e.g., 1997 Senate hearing), urged withdrawal from the UNFCCC, and received funding from fossil fuel interests (e.g., $30,000 from Peabody Coal). In 2017, 22 MIT colleagues publicly rebutted his claims in an open letter to President Trump, emphasizing the risks of sea-level rise and extreme weather. Despite this, his work remains cited in skeptic circles, and he views natural variability (e.g., solar and ocean cycles) as dominant over human CO2 emissions

William Happer III (born September 27, 1939) is an American physicist specializing in atomic physics, optics, and spectroscopy. He is a vocal critic of mainstream climate science, despite lacking formal training in the field, and has influenced U.S. policy under the Trump administration.Background and Credentials

• Education: Bachelor's in Physics from the University of North Carolina (1960); PhD in Physics from Princeton University (1964).
• Academic Career: Rose to full professor at Columbia University, where he directed the Columbia Radiation Laboratory. Joined Princeton in 1980 as a professor of physics (now emeritus). Supervised non-weapons energy research at the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) under George H.W. Bush (1989–1993), overseeing climate research.
• Awards and Honors: Elected to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS); Fellow of the American Physical Society (APS) and AAAS. No major awards specific to climate science.
• Key Contributions: Over 200 papers in atomic physics, including work on spin polarization, laser cooling, and quantum optics. His DOE role involved broad energy oversight but no direct climate modeling expertise.

Role and Views on Climate ChangeHapper rejects the IPCC consensus, asserting that CO2 is not a pollutant but a "plant food" in a "CO2 drought," and that most 20th-century warming stems from natural causes like solar activity rather than human emissions. He claims benefits from higher CO2 (e.g., enhanced plant growth) outweigh risks and dismisses models as unreliable. Appointed to Trump's National Security Council (2018–2019) as Director of Emerging Technologies, he pushed to challenge the National Climate Assessment and block climate-security testimony (e.g., calling it "propaganda"). He co-founded the CO2 Coalition (2015) to promote CO2's benefits and led a failed APS petition to soften its climate stance. Funded by conservative donors (e.g., Mercer family), he has spoken at skeptic events like the Heartland Institute conferences. Critics, including Princeton colleagues, note his zero peer-reviewed climate papers and view his positions as outside his expertise; he resigned from the NSC amid internal pushback on reelection risks.Comparison of Their Stances on Climate ChangeBoth Lindzen and Happer are NAS members with strong physics/atmospheric credentials but are outliers in climate science, often collaborating (e.g., joint 2018 court filings). They emphasize uncertainties in models and feedbacks while downplaying CO2's role, influencing skeptic narratives despite broad scientific agreement on human-driven warming.

The "random YouTuber" was illustrating what Joe was saying, and why his own graph said the opposite. I was just trying to show you how Joe spreads disinformation but as I said, I knew there was no chance you'd listen or think about it.

 

[ShadowRun]

The "random YouTuber" was illustrating what Joe was saying, and why his own graph said the opposite. I was just trying to show you how Joe spreads disinformation but as I said, I knew there was no chance you'd listen or think about it.

Retard AGAIN it was about his guest not Rogan, I said Rogan says stupid shit. Stop trolling.

 

[ShadowRun]

Wonder what happened with Gats

 

[Loiosh]

Retard AGAIN it was about his guest not Rogan, I said Rogan says stupid shit. Stop trolling.

Focus.

RP said Rogan was dangerous, you laughed at him, and I was explaining why Rogan is dangerous.

It seems like you agree with me, in that you admit he says stupid shit to his huge audience.

 

[Loiosh]

Wonder what happened with Gats

I can explain exactly what he's doing.

He's reacting to the Trump admin cutting aid to the most vulnerable countries, it's in the essay this statement was extracted from. He's saying the west shouldn't abandon those dying TODAY and only worry about death in future generations.

Conservative media is ignoring that part of the message and doubling down on deflecting from climate change.

I do think Gates has a point on how climate change is probably not going to kill us all, as green technologies have advanced to a level that will probably make the difference. America, of course, is going to make that as difficult as possible while squeezing every penny out of fossil fuels.

Trump promised the fossil fuel industry if they bankrolled him they could have whatever they wanted. This is a fact, we all saw him say it. They did, and so he's doing that. He removed incentives for clean energy and added them for fossil fuels, which is complete insanity.

Trump sold out America's future in American green energy by kneecapping it, while China is growing it's lead to insurmountable levels. It's 1000% the future, and Trump handed it to China.

Gates is probably right because despite Trump's best effort, green energy has become so efficient and so cheap, it's too late for Trump to stop it. All he can do is cripple Americans trying to compete in that market.

Honestly, would anyone be surprised if Trump started shilling for big tobacco in 2025? It would be pretty on brand.

 

[heloder]

Trump sold out America's future in American green energy by kneecapping it, while China is growing it's lead to insurmountable levels. It's 1000% the future, and Trump handed it to China.

The funniest part about all of it is that his supporters (like the ones on this forum), spent the last decade talking about how the US investing in green energy was pointless because it's a scam and China doesn't give a fuck anyway and they're just going to go with fossil fuels forever and how we have to as well in order to keep up with them economically.

I honestly can't even imagine looking at a coal plant and a gas-powered car and thinking "Yup! We've peaked! That's what we're all going to be using a hundred years from now!"

Insular, brainwashed idiots.

 

[Loiosh]

The funniest part about all of it is that his supporters (like the ones on this forum), spent the last decade talking about how the US investing in green energy was pointless because it's a scam and China doesn't give a fuck anyway and they're just going to go with fossil fuels forever and how we have to as well in order to keep up with them economically.

I honestly can't even imagine looking at a coal plant and a gas-powered car and thinking "Yup! We've peaked! That's what we're all going to be using a hundred years from now!"

Insular, brainwashed idiots.

The weirdest thing is that they simply do not care.

Trump stood in front of a crowd and was videotaped telling fossil fuel executives they could buy him, and he named his price. The "what" doesn't matter to conservatives, only the "who".

 

[heloder]

The weirdest thing is that they simply do not care.

Trump stood in front of a crowd and was videotaped telling fossil fuel executives they could buy him, and he named his price. The "what" doesn't matter to conservatives, only the "who".

MAGA in 2016 - Politicians are corrupt! Trump is a billionaire so he can't be bought!

MAGA Since -

 

[SurferH2O]

CO2 has been a trailing metric, not a leading metric, in the millions of years we've tracked it on Earth.

Suddenly, that changed? Does that go against "Science"?

 

[Barney Gumble]

It's such politized BS. The strongest hurricanes ever known in that region was in the revolutionary war, they took out a lot of French ships. In the 40's and 50's NY use to get hurricanes and now they don't....There are times in the world where CO2 was higher and temps were lower. Right now the earth has more green on it , then it has had in many years. CO2 levels are very minimal effects in the world.
From a podcast recenty , key bullet points

"Science is not a consensus. Science is a methodology." – Richard Lindzen
→ Consensus is irrelevant; it’s about falsifiable predictions and data, not votes.
"Calling something ‘settled science’ is anti-science." – William Happer
→ True science thrives on doubt and challenge, not dogma.
"The appeal to authority is the death of science." – Lindzen
→ Citing "97% of scientists" is a logical fallacy, not evidence.
"Science has been replaced by a cult-like narrative." – Rogan summarizing
→ Dissenters are excommunicated, not debated.



"We’re in a CO₂ famine — levels were 4x higher in Earth’s past and life thrived." – Happer
→ Current 420 ppm is low historically; plants starve below 150 ppm

"1.5°C rise since 1850 is normal recovery from the Little Ice Age." – Lindzen
→ No acceleration in warming despite CO₂ rise.

"It’s been rising ~2–3 mm/year for 150 years — no change." – Happer
→ Satellites show no increase in rate; island nations aren’t sinking.

**Extreme weather is not increasing
→ Hurricanes, droughts, floods — all within historical norms.
→ "The data doesn’t show it. The headlines do."

Why Alarmism Is Over-the-TopFollow the money: $1 trillion+ annually in climate funding
→ "You get funding if you predict doom. You don’t if you say it’s fine." – Happer
→ Universities, NGOs, green tech — all dependent on crisis.
"Net Zero" is economic suicide, not science
→ "You can’t run a modern society on wind and solar." – Lindzen
→ Blackouts in CA/TX/UK prove it.
**Greta, Gore, UN — propaganda, not science
→ "Al Gore made $300M selling fear." – Rogan
→ Kids terrified of dying at 12 — psychological abuse.
**"Climate change" used to justify control
→ Carbon taxes, 15-minute cities, meat bans — power grabs, not solutions.
"We’ve seen this before: eugenics, DDT ban, Y2K"
→ "Science hijacked for politics — then quietly abandoned." – Happer

Happer: "If CO₂ were really a thermostat, why didn’t it cook us when it was 7000 ppm in the Cambrian?"
Lindzen: "I’ve been called a ‘denier’ for 30 years. I just ask for data."

this is a lot of work bro. you're arguing with people who think the answer to pollution is global communism.