Social How do we sleep while our beds are burning? The climate changing thread

[Barney Gumble]

climate change will be the biggest scam in history, transferring trillions in wealth to the elite and turning citizens back into peasants.

 

[Loiosh]

CO2 has been a trailing metric, not a leading metric, in the millions of years we've tracked it on Earth.

Suddenly, that changed? Does that go against "Science"?

I plugged your exact words into AI and it told me you were mistaken.

You should stop making statements and instead ask questions.

Spoiler: AI results

"CO2 has been a trailing metric, not a leading metric, in the millions of years we've tracked it on Earth."

The idea that CO2 has historically been a lagging, not leading, metric of temperature is based on paleoclimate evidence from Antarctic ice cores, but it is an incomplete picture of the overall climate system. While it is true that temperature changes sometimes preceded atmospheric CO2 changes during glacial cycles, this does not disprove that CO2 is a driver of climate change. Instead, it highlights the complex system of feedbacks and forcings that control the planet's climate.

The lagging relationship in ice core data

• Initial warming trigger: During ice age cycles over the last 800,000 years, the initial warming from a glacial period was not started by CO2. Instead, slight changes in Earth's orbit, known as Milankovitch cycles, changed the amount of sunlight reaching the Northern Hemisphere. This caused a small amount of initial warming.
• Positive feedback loop: This initial, orbitally-driven warming then triggered a positive feedback loop involving CO2. A warmer climate, especially warmer oceans, caused the oceans to release stored CO2 into the atmosphere. This added CO2 amplified the warming effect, leading to more CO2 being released and further temperature increases. Because the ocean's CO2 release process takes time, the rise in atmospheric CO2 lagged behind the initial temperature increase recorded in the Antarctic ice cores.
• A global vs. local perspective: It's important to remember that ice cores in Antarctica reflect local Antarctic temperature. However, CO2 is a well-mixed gas that represents global atmospheric levels. Studies that reconstruct a global temperature record show a much smaller lag between global temperature and CO2, and sometimes no lag at all. The initial warming in Antarctica was amplified by a globally rising CO2, which then drove further global temperature increases.

The critical difference between past and present
The key distinction between the paleoclimate record and modern warming is the initial forcing mechanism.

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Natural Ice Age Cycles​

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Modern Warming​

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[td]Initial Trigger[/td][td]Gradual changes in Earth's orbit (Milankovitch cycles).[/td][td]The rapid addition of CO2 and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere from human activities, such as burning fossil fuels.[/td] [td]Pace of Change[/td][td]Slow, occurring over thousands of years.[/td][td]Unprecedented and extremely fast, happening over just a couple hundred years.[/td] [td]Role of CO2[/td][td]An amplifier of warming, turning a small initial temperature change into a much larger one.[/td][td]The primary cause of the current warming trend.[/td] [td]Atmospheric Levels[/td][td]In the last 800,000 years, CO2 levels never exceeded 300 parts per million (ppm).[/td][td]Modern CO2 levels surpassed 400 ppm in 2013 and continue to rise rapidly.[/td]

Conclusion
The argument that CO2 has historically been a lagging metric is misleading because it ignores the amplifying role CO2 played in past climate cycles. Furthermore, it incorrectly equates a natural cycle, which was initiated by orbital changes, with modern warming, which is driven primarily by human-caused CO2 emissions. The current, unprecedented rate and scale of CO2 increase make it the leading driver of global temperature rise today.

 

[heloder]

climate change will be the biggest scam in history, transferring trillions in wealth to the elite and turning citizens back into peasants.

You should open up a history book and look at the last [checks notes] ...50 years in this country. The "trillions in wealth being transferred to the elite, turning citizens back into peasants" is the American economic system in action, as designed.

But yes, be afraid of the scary communist solar panels and wind turbines.

 

[Barney Gumble]

You should open up a history book and look at the last [checks notes] ...50 years in this country. The "trillions in wealth being transferred to the elite, turning citizens back into peasants" is the American economic system in action, as designed.

But yes, be afraid of the scary communist solar panels and wind turbines.

in a few short years covid transferred 5 trillion to the elite and leftists clapped like seals.

now imagine what the climate grift. you'll own nothing and be living a pod eating mealworms and led around like a dog with social credit. but don't worry! it's for the greater good and a much better system than we currently have!

don't tell us we didn't warn ya.

 

[heloder]

in a few short years covid transferred 5 trillion to the elite and leftists clapped like seals.

What do you think about a progressive tax system that will allow us to rake back some of the trillions of dollars these billionaires have stolen from the working class over the last several decades? Would you be in favor of that?

you'll own nothing and be living a pod eating mealworms and led around like a dog with social credit.

That definitely sounds like a realistic future and not the demented ramblings of someone who gets their entire political ideology from retarded podcasters in beanie hats.

 

[Barney Gumble]

That definitely sounds like a realistic future and not the demented ramblings of someone who gets their entire political ideology from retarded podcasters in beanie hats.

ease up on the gaslighting sir, it makes you look foolish

 

[Hellowhosthat]

ease up on the gaslighting sir, it makes you look foolish

So they're six years into it and the only bugs I see for sale are in pet shops.

Not doing very well are they?

 

[SurferH2O]

I plugged your exact words into AI and it told me you were mistaken.

You should stop making statements and instead ask questions.

Spoiler: AI results

"CO2 has been a trailing metric, not a leading metric, in the millions of years we've tracked it on Earth."

The idea that CO2 has historically been a lagging, not leading, metric of temperature is based on paleoclimate evidence from Antarctic ice cores, but it is an incomplete picture of the overall climate system. While it is true that temperature changes sometimes preceded atmospheric CO2 changes during glacial cycles, this does not disprove that CO2 is a driver of climate change. Instead, it highlights the complex system of feedbacks and forcings that control the planet's climate.

The lagging relationship in ice core data

• Initial warming trigger: During ice age cycles over the last 800,000 years, the initial warming from a glacial period was not started by CO2. Instead, slight changes in Earth's orbit, known as Milankovitch cycles, changed the amount of sunlight reaching the Northern Hemisphere. This caused a small amount of initial warming.
• Positive feedback loop: This initial, orbitally-driven warming then triggered a positive feedback loop involving CO2. A warmer climate, especially warmer oceans, caused the oceans to release stored CO2 into the atmosphere. This added CO2 amplified the warming effect, leading to more CO2 being released and further temperature increases. Because the ocean's CO2 release process takes time, the rise in atmospheric CO2 lagged behind the initial temperature increase recorded in the Antarctic ice cores.
• A global vs. local perspective: It's important to remember that ice cores in Antarctica reflect local Antarctic temperature. However, CO2 is a well-mixed gas that represents global atmospheric levels. Studies that reconstruct a global temperature record show a much smaller lag between global temperature and CO2, and sometimes no lag at all. The initial warming in Antarctica was amplified by a globally rising CO2, which then drove further global temperature increases.

The critical difference between past and present
The key distinction between the paleoclimate record and modern warming is the initial forcing mechanism.

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Natural Ice Age Cycles

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Modern Warming

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[td]Initial Trigger[/td][td]Gradual changes in Earth's orbit (Milankovitch cycles).[/td][td]The rapid addition of CO2 and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere from human activities, such as burning fossil fuels.[/td] [td]Pace of Change[/td][td]Slow, occurring over thousands of years.[/td][td]Unprecedented and extremely fast, happening over just a couple hundred years.[/td] [td]Role of CO2[/td][td]An amplifier of warming, turning a small initial temperature change into a much larger one.[/td][td]The primary cause of the current warming trend.[/td] [td]Atmospheric Levels[/td][td]In the last 800,000 years, CO2 levels never exceeded 300 parts per million (ppm).[/td][td]Modern CO2 levels surpassed 400 ppm in 2013 and continue to rise rapidly.[/td]




Conclusion
The argument that CO2 has historically been a lagging metric is misleading because it ignores the amplifying role CO2 played in past climate cycles. Furthermore, it incorrectly equates a natural cycle, which was initiated by orbital changes, with modern warming, which is driven primarily by human-caused CO2 emissions. The current, unprecedented rate and scale of CO2 increase make it the leading driver of global temperature rise today.

I did too....

Spoiler

Past climate cycles:
In ancient ice core records (like those from Antarctica), CO₂ levels typically lag behind temperature changes by several hundred years.

• Example: During the ice age cycles, Earth’s temperature first rose due to orbital (Milankovitch) changes that increased sunlight in the Northern Hemisphere.
• That warming caused oceans to release CO₂ (warm water holds less gas), which then amplified the warming.
• So in these cases, temperature leads, and CO₂ follows—but CO₂ then feeds back to make the warming stronger.

You should stop making statements and instead ask questions.

 

[heloder]

ease up on the gaslighting sir, it makes you look foolish

You read a handful of articles about people eating insects around the world, and turned that into "you'll own nothing and be living a pod eating mealworms and led around like a dog with social credit."?

I don't know if it's a racist conspiracy theory, but it's certainly a stupid one.

But I'm not being fair. Maybe you have some actual proof of The Powers That Be forcing bug cuisine upon us that you just haven't yet shared?

 

[heloder]

• That warming caused oceans to release CO₂ (warm water holds less gas), which then amplified the warming.
• So in these cases, temperature leads, and CO₂ follows—but CO₂ then feeds back to make the warming stronger

Uhh...this does not help your argument.

 

[Barney Gumble]

So they're six years into it and the only bugs I see for sale are in pet shops.

Not doing very well are they?

i see we've pivoted from "it's not happening" to "it is but only a little"

that was quick and you guys never disappoint!

these climate nazis are pushing for severe restrictions on meat consumption. once they set up the conditions for their social credit system (digital ID like we're seeing in the UK, and CBDC), they'll be able to punish meat consumption and force people into eating the more unsavory things.

it's not a surprise that bill gates is buying up all the farmland, investing in fake meat companies, and it's not a surprise that governments all over europe are trying to cripple farmers that includes punishing costs on fertilizer and even inheritance tax so high that farms can no longer be transferred to family members without bankrupting the receiver.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

i see we've pivoted from "it's not happening" to "it is but only a little"

that was quick and you guys never disappoint!

these climate nazis are pushing for severe restrictions on meat consumption. once they set up the conditions for their social credit system (digital ID like we're seeing in the UK, and CBDC), they'll be able to punish meat consumption and force people into eating the more unsavory things.

it's not a surprise that bill gates is buying up all the farmland, investing in fake meat companies, and it's not a surprise that governments all over europe are trying to cripple farmers that includes punishing costs on fertilizer and even inheritance tax so high that farms can no longer be transferred to family members without bankrupting the receiver.

I haven't ever been asked to eat a bug and I doubt it'll ever happen. Lab grown meat is a maybe.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

Fuck the climate.

If it's cold, put on a coat.

If it's not, take it off.

 

[Barney Gumble]

I haven't ever been asked to eat a bug and I doubt it'll ever happen. Lab grown meat is a maybe.

well sir, it doesn't matter what we want because it'll be decided for us.

if they get a social credit thing going (which already exists in china so it's not hypothetical), we're fucked and you will be excluded from being able to make decisions in your day to day life or participation in society (like going to a restaurant, concerts, bars just we had during covid), and so you and i won't get a choice in what we eat, buy, and day to day stuff like method of travel and for how long.

see how that works? we get boxed into whatever category they decide and it's for the greater good. "climate change" ftw, where you get turned into a digital peasant for some imaginary reason.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

Judge says Greenpeace must pay $345 million in pipeline lawsuit, cutting jury amount nearly in half

A North Dakota judge has ordered Greenpeace to pay damages of $345 million, reducing an earlier jury award after it found the environmental group and others liable for defamation and other claims brought by a pipeline company in connections with protests of an oil pipeline nearly a decade ago.

apnews.com

fuck greenpeace

 

[Hellowhosthat]

well sir, it doesn't matter what we want because it'll be decided for us.

if they get a social credit thing going (which already exists in china so it's not hypothetical), we're fucked and you will be excluded from being able to make decisions in your day to day life or participation in society (like going to a restaurant, concerts, bars just we had during covid), and so you and i won't get a choice in what we eat, buy, and day to day stuff like method of travel and for how long.

see how that works? we get boxed into whatever category they decide and it's for the greater good. "climate change" ftw, where you get turned into a digital peasant for some imaginary reason.

Well I can't say I share your pessimism to be honest and we certainly do need to do something for the environment. Even if you take out climate change then the deforestation, micro plastics in everything and destruction of marine reefs is terrible shit

 

[Barney Gumble]

Well I can't say I share your pessimism to be honest and we certainly do need to do something for the environment. Even if you take out climate change then the deforestation, micro plastics in everything and destruction of marine reefs is terrible shit

i'm not against cleaning up our abuse of the environment but the solutions being put forward don't solve that, they only turn society into a digital prison. if social credit happens in the west (and we got a brief taste of it during covid), we will no longer live in a free society.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

i'm not against cleaning up our abuse of the environment but the solutions being put forward don't solve that, they only turn society into a digital prison. if social credit happens in the west (and we got a brief taste of it during covid), we will no longer live in a free society.

I'm not seeing any progress towards a social credit system in the West tbh.

 

[gatchaman]

I plugged your exact words into AI and it told me you were mistaken.

You should stop making statements and instead ask questions.

Spoiler: AI results

"CO2 has been a trailing metric, not a leading metric, in the millions of years we've tracked it on Earth."

The idea that CO2 has historically been a lagging, not leading, metric of temperature is based on paleoclimate evidence from Antarctic ice cores, but it is an incomplete picture of the overall climate system. While it is true that temperature changes sometimes preceded atmospheric CO2 changes during glacial cycles, this does not disprove that CO2 is a driver of climate change. Instead, it highlights the complex system of feedbacks and forcings that control the planet's climate.

The lagging relationship in ice core data

• Initial warming trigger: During ice age cycles over the last 800,000 years, the initial warming from a glacial period was not started by CO2. Instead, slight changes in Earth's orbit, known as Milankovitch cycles, changed the amount of sunlight reaching the Northern Hemisphere. This caused a small amount of initial warming.
• Positive feedback loop: This initial, orbitally-driven warming then triggered a positive feedback loop involving CO2. A warmer climate, especially warmer oceans, caused the oceans to release stored CO2 into the atmosphere. This added CO2 amplified the warming effect, leading to more CO2 being released and further temperature increases. Because the ocean's CO2 release process takes time, the rise in atmospheric CO2 lagged behind the initial temperature increase recorded in the Antarctic ice cores.
• A global vs. local perspective: It's important to remember that ice cores in Antarctica reflect local Antarctic temperature. However, CO2 is a well-mixed gas that represents global atmospheric levels. Studies that reconstruct a global temperature record show a much smaller lag between global temperature and CO2, and sometimes no lag at all. The initial warming in Antarctica was amplified by a globally rising CO2, which then drove further global temperature increases.

The critical difference between past and present
The key distinction between the paleoclimate record and modern warming is the initial forcing mechanism.

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[/th][th]
Natural Ice Age Cycles

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Modern Warming

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[td]Initial Trigger[/td][td]Gradual changes in Earth's orbit (Milankovitch cycles).[/td][td]The rapid addition of CO2 and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere from human activities, such as burning fossil fuels.[/td] [td]Pace of Change[/td][td]Slow, occurring over thousands of years.[/td][td]Unprecedented and extremely fast, happening over just a couple hundred years.[/td] [td]Role of CO2[/td][td]An amplifier of warming, turning a small initial temperature change into a much larger one.[/td][td]The primary cause of the current warming trend.[/td] [td]Atmospheric Levels[/td][td]In the last 800,000 years, CO2 levels never exceeded 300 parts per million (ppm).[/td][td]Modern CO2 levels surpassed 400 ppm in 2013 and continue to rise rapidly.[/td]




Conclusion
The argument that CO2 has historically been a lagging metric is misleading because it ignores the amplifying role CO2 played in past climate cycles. Furthermore, it incorrectly equates a natural cycle, which was initiated by orbital changes, with modern warming, which is driven primarily by human-caused CO2 emissions. The current, unprecedented rate and scale of CO2 increase make it the leading driver of global temperature rise today.

Excuse my interjection, but the positive feedback loop that you describe is make believe. What is the experiment that demonstrates the positive feedback loop?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

You read a handful of articles about people eating insects around the world, and turned that into "you'll own nothing and be living a pod eating mealworms and led around like a dog with social credit."?

I don't know if it's a racist conspiracy theory, but it's certainly a stupid one.

But I'm not being fair. Maybe you have some actual proof of The Powers That Be forcing bug cuisine upon us that you just haven't yet shared?

- Remove people good food and get revolts around the west. We're here have been pampered by delicious food since i was born. Sadly not everyone has acess to that around the globe. But no high-ups will be retarded enought to do that. And our pets? Somebody read about that navy guy that atacked a building to save his stolen cat or dog?