How did Avengers become bigger than Justice League?

Marvel has done a great job marketing the same film repeatedly.

DC tried to play catch up by dumping everything they had into mediocre movies.
 
Dragonlordxxxxx said:
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This specific fight scene contributed far, far, far more to my disappointment in the third installment than it should have, but the story was a melodramatic mess without proper character justification, regardless.

This remains the most overrated comic book movie of all time.
 
I like all the movies to be honest. Even Green Lantern. But Marvel was really committed to the long game. DC has been playing catch up and rushing things. And they have made some terrible mistakes along the way like having Batman kill people...
 
The analogy I like to use is this:

Marvel is the skinny, little runt who wants to get his Swole on. So he joins a good gym. He hires a good personal trainer. He starts very light, so he learns to lift with proper form. He adds weight slowly, even though the other Gym Bros laugh at him. He makes sure his diet and supplementation are on point.

Ten years later, the skinny little runt is the biggest, strongest Bro in the gym. All the slow, patient work has paid off. He has Pecs and Guns that turn on nuns. Shoulders like Boulders. Glutes that make nice girls act like Sloots. And Thighs that make Lesbians turn Bi. And he can Bench teh 275. For reps.

DC is the naturally big, strong guy who wants to get bigger and stronger in a hurry. He doesn't bother following a program, he just tries to max out every session. He doesn't care about good form; he'll use sloppy technique as long as he keeps hitting new PR's. He wants to put on muscle, so he runs a dirty bulk. So he gets bigger, but a lot of his "gains" are actually fat.

Sooner rather than later, he blows out a shoulder trying to, "Bench" teh 275 with his ass in the air and his Bro upright rowing the bar while screaming, "It's all yours, man!":rolleyes:
 
Madmick said:
This specific fight scene contributed far, far, far more to my disappointment in the third installment than it should have, but the story was a melodramatic mess without proper character justification, regardless.

This remains the most overrated comic book movie of all time.
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at least it gave us John Krasinski, the action star, or at least the beginnings of John Krasinksi, the action star.
 
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Kid friendly Marvel.
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Not just kid friendly, but casual friendly as well. The dynamic between Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman is pretty intense and doesn't lend itself well to a 140 minutes where you're bringing in new people with spectacle and teasing a larger universe. Avengers comes off more like a workplace comedy at times and that works for the product. Women dig Thor. There was loads of Widow/Hawkeye speculation after Avengers and Widow/Cap (and Cap/Bucky, it seems) fans after Winter Soldier. They were relatable, which was the case during Silver Age Marvel books. Superman has to save Metropolis! Hundreds of thousands of lives are at stake! Yeah, but how is Clark Kent meeting his deadlines? Peter Parker has to worry about that... just like me.
 
CodeBreaker said:
Glad you admit it
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I just know quality comics and avoid inferior ones. DC while it may have been more popular for a while has always been inferior to Marvel in almost everyway
 
MayhemMonkey said:
I just know quality comics and avoid inferior ones. DC while it may have been more popular for a while has always been inferior to Marvel in almost everyway
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Ehh...
I have always been a big Marvel guy but, in the late-90s-to-early-00s at least, DC had way better quality in terms of writing on their big names. While Spider-man revisited The Clone Saga (to much lament but had it's moments,) X-Men all over the place after Bob Harras and Fabian Niceza having their blow ups, and Avengers just corny, Kevin Smith's inconsistent deadlines aside, his Daredevil run was their crown jewel. Meanwhile, Chuck Dixon was tying every Bat-title together at once with defined relationships between every character, a new status quo, and technical accuracy, and Mark Waid did arguably the best work if his career to that point on JLA. Geoff Johns even managed to make heads and tails out of Hawkman.
 
sleepwalk said:
Ehh...
I have always been a big Marvel guy but, in the late-90s-to-early-00s at least, DC had way better quality in terms of writing on their big names. While Spider-man revisited The Clone Saga (to much lament but had it's moments,) X-Men all over the place after Bob Harras and Fabian Niceza having their blow ups, and Avengers just corny, Kevin Smith's inconsistent deadlines aside, his Daredevil run was their crown jewel. Meanwhile, Chuck Dixon was tying every Bat-title together at once with defined relationships between every character, a new status quo, and technical accuracy, and Mark Waid did arguably the best work if his career to that point on JLA. Geoff Johns even managed to make heads and tails out of Hawkman.
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Marvel has always had more interesting characters, more interesting villians etc. They developed multiple universes far better than DC ever could.

yeah DC mightve had good writers at one point, but they only have like 5 decent heroes and about the same amount of decent villians
 
I'm totally pulling a fantasy scenario out of my ass but DC could have easily competed if they kept bale as batman with Bane and Joker somewhere in there (ledger....I'm talking an alternate dimension here), the entire cast of suicide squad, all of the current justice league (minus gayfleck) and introduced the watchmen into the universe.

The main reason why the avengers/marvel is winning is because of the immersion we have been subjected to over the years with the characters and actors that portrayed them. In DC there was no planning such cohesion and we had new characters clumsily introduced and rushed in waaaaaaaaay too many story lines into BVS to set up the justice league.

But seriously could you imagine a Nolan directed JL with ledger, bale, dr.manhattan, suicide squad ect ect? That would be out of this world. Esspecially if they introduced shazaam and death stroke by now.

Edit: and think of Darkseid with the anti-life equation and all the villans associated with superman had they taken a little bit more time developing his story.
 
sleepwalk said:
Ehh...
I have always been a big Marvel guy but, in the late-90s-to-early-00s at least, DC had way better quality in terms of writing on their big names. While Spider-man revisited The Clone Saga (to much lament but had it's moments,) X-Men all over the place after Bob Harras and Fabian Niceza having their blow ups, and Avengers just corny, Kevin Smith's inconsistent deadlines aside, his Daredevil run was their crown jewel. Meanwhile, Chuck Dixon was tying every Bat-title together at once with defined relationships between every character, a new status quo, and technical accuracy, and Mark Waid did arguably the best work if his career to that point on JLA. Geoff Johns even managed to make heads and tails out of Hawkman.
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I disagree. During the early 2000s marvel had some huge properties that were really Kicking serious ass.

Bendis was on daredevil

Morrison on X-men (imo the greatest run ever on xmen)

The creation of the ultimate line which was huge at the time (very financially successful) and turned out awesome stories. Bendis, Mark Miller and Warren Ellis were other BIG name writers that shaped the ultimate line. @Magooglie Fixed for you

JMS on Spider-Man

Geoff Johns was on Avengers (highly underrated run before he left for DC)

Marvel was trying new things like Marvel Knights and Kevin Smith on Daredevil before Bendis took over full time.


Let’s not forget this all leads up to a well known and very successful time at marvel when Joe Q took over as EiC. Joe Q started everything I listed above. They had great writers all over the place and things like New Avengers and Civil War were created shortly after this. One of Marvels more current successful times. They had a great run from around 99-2000 all the way until Hickman left Avengers. I have to say Thats my favorite era of marvel comics.
 
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moreorless87 said:
One thing Marvel have been very clever with as well is I'd say making sure their characters have been played up acting talent on the rise, Downy Jnr, Helmsworth, Evans, Johansson, Pratt, etc.

The era were in now is basically one there the appeal of characters and the appeal of stars has been merged, arguably none of these actors would be anything like so big a draw on their own BUT equally the characters they play in Marvel would also not be nearly as big a draw without them.

DC by comparison have not been anywhere near as strong here either picking out nobodies or yesterdays draws like Smith and Affleck, really only Margot Robbie stands out as someone on the rise to me.
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DC has picked a handful of talent on the rise. Margot Robbie like you said, Ezra Miller, Gal Gadot... I don't like Cavill but he's getting roles outside of the franchise. Affleck was a desperate attempt at attaching some star power to the franchise, but he did a good job.
 
KONG-D'SNT-TAP said:
I disagree. During the early 2000s marvel had some huge properties that were really Kicking serious ass.

Bendis was on daredevil

Morrison on X-men (imo the greatest run ever on xmen)

The creation of the ultimate line which was huge and turned out awesome stories

JMS on Spider-Man

Geoff Johns was on Avengers (highly underrated run before he left for DC)

Marvel was trying new things like Marvel Knights


Let’s not forget this all leads up to a well known and very successful time at marvel when Joe Q took over as EiC. They had great writers all over the place and things like New Avengers and Civil War were created shortly after this. One of Marvels more current successful times. They had a good run from around 99-2000 all the way until Hickman left Avengers
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How dare you disrespect the great Mark Millar!
 
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