How did Avengers become bigger than Justice League?

[Bob Gray]

Those movies simply do not pique my interest. I know the protagonist has some type of power, he’s gonna face some type of antagonist, who also had some type of power and he or she plan to take over some domain. They’ll battle it out and voila, the hero emerges a victor at some point of the story. It’s, like, come on...

That doesnt really change anything I said. If they arent your bag, they arent your bag. But then why are you watching them? And if you arent watching them, why are you posting in threads about them?

However, you basically just described almost every action movie ever made if you condense it down to its smallest story elements. John McClane has a power/skill/ability (firearms/combat/law enforcement training), hes gonna face some type of antagonist (terrorists) who also has some sort of power (military training/hi tech equipment/detailed planning and preparation), they plan to take over some domain (Nakatomi Plaza). Theyll battle it out and voila, the hero (John McClane) emerges as the victor.

Shit, you practically described every story ever written. Your criticisms is stupid because its so vague it's almost universally applicable.

 

[MMouse]

Kevin Feige should also take are of DCEU

 

[DaleBoca]

That doesnt really change anything I said.

However, you basically just described almost every action movie ever made if you condense it down to its smallest story elements. John McClane has a power/skill/ability (firearms/combat/law enforcement training), hes gonna face some type of antagonist (terrorists) who also has some sort of power (military training/hi tech equipment/detailed planning and preparation), they plan to take over some domain (Nakatomi Plaza). Theyll battle it out and voila, the hero (John McClane) emerges as the victor.

Shit, you practically described every story ever written. Your criticisms is stupid because its so vague it's almost universally applicable.

My criticism is stupid... and there it is, lol.

I’m not alone in my stupid criticism.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...heroes-look-the-same-marvel-dc-justice-league

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/03/superhero-film-and-tv-trends/amp

 

[Bob Gray]

My criticism is stupid... and there it is, lol.

I’m not alone in my stupid criticism.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...heroes-look-the-same-marvel-dc-justice-league

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/03/superhero-film-and-tv-trends/amp

Not sure what you place so much stock in the opinions of people whose names you wouldnt even know unless you clicked on those links again to check them. If I point out the names of all the people who put a "like" on my previous post, which would be more names than youve presented, would that somehow make my argument stronger than yours?

I presented a counter argument to the criticism. Repeating the same argument again and again does not make it stronger.

But anyway, you avoided one of my points. If you dont like them why are you watching them? And if you arent watching them, why are you posting in threads about them?

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Another problem I’ve seen is the action they use is very ho hum...

You watch civil war and you see all the heroes fight like how they fight using their signature moves in fancy ways.. not only that but they always develop and improve. Each hero appear to level up and fight better in the next movie using newer tech and moves.

Meanwhile man of steel had a boring ass showdown that just showed Manhattan getting destroyed. There was nothing fancy or cool about any parts of the fight scenes. Same thing with Wonder Woman IMO. I thought this movie was overrated. The final fight was almost a snooze fest for me. God of war? More like god of sleep....

DC does definitely have the 10 year old boy style to it where "big bigger biggest" is the path to take for everything as if its the mid 90's and CGI has only just been invented were as Marvel tends to either go for the more characterful/interesting or the more down to earth.

Again I think the posters for these films show you a lot of the difference as well, look at Infinity War and what do you see? the heads of RDJ, Evans, Johanson, etc look at Justice league and what do you see? Batman, the Flash, etc, heck even the "heads only" poster for Justice League is obviously pushing the characters first.

Marvel films are not just pushing their characters, there also pushing the stars and beyond writing its the quality of casting that has been the backbone to their success. People see Evans and they think Captain America, they don't need to be shown him in the getup.

 

[pookiyama]

Because niether was really anything important when the fanbase was young, and so the incentive motivating us to pay to see it is created entirely from what the movies have crafted.

DC had a couple so so movies and launched Justice League. Marvel built up the infinity war with almost 20 previous installments. Justice league was a poorly timed blockbuster, while infinity war felt like a final chapter for 15-20 smaller blockbusters.

I could not tell you who the main villain was in justice league, but I knew who the villain in infinity war was 4 years before it even came out.

 

[DaleBoca]

Not sure what you place so much stock in the opinions of people whose names you wouldnt even know unless you clicked on those links again to check them. If I point out the names of all the people who put a "like" on my previous post, which would be more names than youve presented, would that somehow make my argument stronger than yours?

I presented a counter argument to the criticism. Repeating the same argument again and again does not make it stronger.

But anyway, you avoided one of my points. If you dont like them why are you watching them? And if you arent watching them, why are you posting in threads about them?

Who said I’m putting stock into them? All I said was there are people who echo my sentiments that these movies are the same.

And I’m not into action flicks, so, your Die Hard example is a moot
point to me.

The last superhero movie I saw was Justice League and that was a spontaneous thing with a night out with some friends.The one prior to that was probably Batman Rises.

You stated that each movie had different aspects that made them different but again, how different are they when you likely know exactly how it’s going begin and end? I’ll read most threads here on Mayberry and throw in a comment here and there.

As for why, did I post in this thread? I was just going through the comments and I found it funny that somebody stated this was a good movie, when once again, you probably knew exactly how this movie would play out.

But it appears these movies mean quite a bit to you, so carry
on.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

The analogy I like to use is this:

Marvel is the skinny, little runt who wants to get his Swole on. So he joins a good gym. He hires a good personal trainer. He starts very light, so he learns to lift with proper form. He adds weight slowly, even though the other Gym Bros laugh at him. He makes sure his diet and supplementation are on point.

Ten years later, the skinny little runt is the biggest, strongest Bro in the gym. All the slow, patient work has paid off. He has Pecs and Guns that turn on nuns. Shoulders like Boulders. Glutes that make nice girls act like Sloots. And Thighs that make Lesbians turn Bi. And he can Bench teh 275. For reps.

DC is the naturally big, strong guy who wants to get bigger and stronger in a hurry. He doesn't bother following a program, he just tries to max out every session. He doesn't care about good form; he'll use sloppy technique as long as he keeps hitting new PR's. He wants to put on muscle, so he runs a dirty bulk. So he gets bigger, but a lot of his "gains" are actually fat.

Sooner rather than later, he blows out a shoulder trying to, "Bench" teh 275 with his ass in the air and his Bro upright rowing the bar while screaming, "It's all yours, man!"

Marvel is more like the new guy in town who all the girls sweat, new car, great grades, fresh kicks (I don't know where I'm going with this) and then the townies (DC) make fools of themselves overcompensating. Marvel is literally Kevin Bacon from Footloose.

 

[Bob Gray]

Who said I’m putting stock into them? All I said was there are people who echo my sentiments that these movies are the same.

And I’m not into action flicks, so, your Die Hard example is a moot
point to me.

The last superhero movie I saw was Justice League and that was a spontaneous thing with a night out with some friends.The one prior to that was probably Batman Rises.

You stated that each movie had different aspects that made them different but again, how different are they when you likely know exactly how it’s going begin and end? I’ll read most threads here on Mayberry and throw in a comment here and there.

As for why, did I post in this thread? I was just going through the comments and I found it funny that somebody stated this was a good movie, when once again, you probably knew exactly how this movie would play out.

But it appears these movies mean quite a bit to you, so carry
on.

So you're saying you've seen two superhero movies in 6 years and you're talking about how similar these movies are despite the fact that you haven't seen them?

You're arguing on the internet about movies you literally didn't watch.

 

[horc00]

Because Marvel characters are simply more interesting than DC.

DC's lead honcho is a ridiculously overpowered Superman. Marvel's overpowered characters like Captain Marvel, Sentry and Beyonder are rarely the face of Marvel.

Marvel's lead characters like Cap and Iron Man and Spider-Man get better stories because limitations to their abilities allows writers to create a story about overcoming adversity.

Superman's pretty much godlike. The only way he can have an "overcoming adversity" moment is when he faces equally overpowered godlike foes who also outnumber him (BORING!) or when he fights like an outright idiot, like trying to complete Street Fighter with Ryu using only Hadoukens. Bring in a slightly less godlike villain like Steppenwolf, who while easily thrashes the rest of Justice League, gets owned easily by Superman in a shitfest movie.

 

[DaleBoca]

So you're saying you've seen two superhero movies in 6 years and you're talking about how similar these movies are despite the fact that you haven't seen them?

You're arguing on the internet about movies you literally didn't watch.

Nobody is arguing here. These are just opinions.

As for not watching them and knowing how they play out. It is pretty obvious. There is nothing special about them since the stories are rinse and repeat.

 

[Viva]

A few reasons

A. Disney
B. Zack Snyder
C. Zack Snyder

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Nobody is arguing here. These are just opinions.

As for not watching them and knowing how they play out. It is pretty obvious. There is nothing special about them since the stories are rinse and repeat.

Lol people that have actually WATCHED the movies that you did NOT are telling you that your simplified views of these movies are not correct, and you're still trying to press on with your "opinion"?
Only a fool can have an opinion on something they know nothing about.

People that try to bunch all of these movies together as the "same ole comic book movies" are simply not watching them. There are vast differences between a number of them. @Bob Gray made a great post about them already .
You made an absolutely ridiculous point that you could literally apply to any movie.
"Oh, a love story...boy will meet girl. .they will fall in love and live happily ever after" "Action movie...good fights bad guy...good guy wins. .the end"
It's a dumb tactic. You can break anything down in such simple terms .

Lol and you've watched TWO superhero themed movies in 6 years: the shitiest of the Nolan Batman trilogy, and Justice League, a mediocre movie that is a sequel to a movie that you apparently didn't see....
Lol your opinions are completely invalid

 

[Viva]

Lol people that have actually WATCHED the movies that you did NOT are telling you that your simplified views of these movies are not correct, and you're still trying to press on with your "opinion"?
Only a fool can have an opinion on something they know nothing about.

People that try to bunch all of these movies together as the "same ole comic book movies" are simply not watching them. There are vast differences between a number of them. @Bob Gray made a great post about them already .
You made an absolutely ridiculous point that you could literally apply to any movie.
"Oh, a love story...boy will meet girl. .they will fall in love and live happily ever after" "Action movie...good fights bad guy...good guy wins. .the end"
It's a dumb tactic. You can break anything down in such simple terms .

Lol and you've watched TWO superhero themed movies in 6 years: the shitiest of the Nolan Batman trilogy, and Justice League, a mediocre movie that is a sequel to a movie that you apparently didn't see....
Lol your opinions are completely invalid

DC films are largely panned because of their reliance on cliches, which makes them extremely predictable.

I've seen every DC film released in the new era since Superman Returns, and can attest that each and every film with the exception of The Dark Knight were uninspired snooze fests. And frankly, The Dark Knight's success was completely due to Ledger's remarkable performance... not Bale or Eckhart.

DC has great characters and story arcs, however each film translation has been a massive letdown given how rich the source material is. His critique is valid, as myself and many others felt the same way.

 

[DaleBoca]

Lol people that have actually WATCHED the movies that you did NOT are telling you that your simplified views of these movies are not correct, and you're still trying to press on with your "opinion"?
Only a fool can have an opinion on something they know nothing about.

People that try to bunch all of these movies together as the "same ole comic book movies" are simply not watching them. There are vast differences between a number of them. @Bob Gray made a great post about them already .
You made an absolutely ridiculous point that you could literally apply to any movie.
"Oh, a love story...boy will meet girl. .they will fall in love and live happily ever after" "Action movie...good fights bad guy...good guy wins. .the end"
It's a dumb tactic. You can break anything down in such simple terms .

Lol and you've watched TWO superhero themed movies in 6 years: the shitiest of the Nolan Batman trilogy, and Justice League, a mediocre movie that is a sequel to a movie that you apparently didn't see....
Lol your opinions are completely invalid

I’ve seen Nolan’s trilogy, saw Watchmen, seen Burton’s Batman’s and as a kid I watched the Batman animated series, which were well done for a cartoon series. I was just talking about recent memory.

As for my opinions being invalid, that’s fine and dandy, that’s your opinion, I’m not going to get hot and bothered by it.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

DC films are largely panned because of their reliance on cliches, which makes them extremely predictable.

I've seen every DC film released in the new era since Superman Returns, and can attest that each and every film with the exception of The Dark Knight were uninspired snooze fests. And frankly, The Dark Knight's success was completely due to Ledger's remarkable performance... not Bale or Eckhart.

DC has great characters and story arcs, however each film translation has been a massive letdown given how rich the source material is. His critique is valid, as myself and many others felt the same way.

I was referring to Marvel movies in my post.
DC sucks. They have been mostly tired, cliches.

What was wrong with Batman Begins?
I think Man of Steel gets too much undeserved hate. I thought it was a solid movie, and a solid introduction to the character for the most part.
Everything else from DC was garbage

 

[Viva]

I was referring to Marvel movies in my post.
DC sucks. They have been mostly tired, cliches.

What was wrong with Batman Begins?
I think Man of Steel gets too much undeserved hate. I thought it was a solid movie, and a solid introduction to the character for the most part.
Everything else from DC was garbage

Begins was okay, nothing special as far as superhero films go, but not bad either. I honestly preferred Returns, as it at least had a more compelling villain and supporting cast. Hathaway was pretty solid as Selina Kyle, and while it was cliched as fuck, it stands out more than Begins.

Ah man, Man of Steel was so promising, but I just couldn't get past Michael Shannon as Zod. He hammed it up sooo hard, and the whole moral dilemma with killing Zod kind of felt silly and unrealistic, even for Superman's standards.

Yeah, DC pumps out hot garbage dude. Not sure why everyone loved Wonder Woman, I honestly thought Batman V Superman was better than that garbage fire.

 

[KrazyKanadian]

I was referring to Marvel movies in my post.
DC sucks. They have been mostly tired, cliches.

What was wrong with Batman Begins?
I think Man of Steel gets too much undeserved hate. I thought it was a solid movie, and a solid introduction to the character for the most part.
Everything else from DC was garbage

I'll tell you one part of Man of Steel that I found real stupid. Superman had just leveled 3/4 of the fucking city, and killed who knows how many thousands of people. Yet, he's so damn upset when he has to kill Zod to stop him from killing a couple more humans. Worst.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

I’ve seen Nolan’s trilogy, saw Watchmen, seen Burton’s Batman’s and as a kid I watched the Batman animated series, which were well done for a cartoon series. I was just talking about recent memory.

As for my opinions being invalid, that’s fine and dandy, that’s your opinion, I’m not going to get hot and bothered by it.

You haven't watched any of the Marvel movies?
You're aware that they have made an entire connected movie universe, aren't you?
DC movies have largely been bad. There is a reason why Marvel movies are making hit after hit, and DC is not.
Quality.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Begins was okay, nothing special as far as superhero films go, but not bad either. I honestly preferred Returns, as it at least had a more compelling villain and supporting cast. Hathaway was pretty solid as Selina Kyle, and while it was cliched as fuck, it stands out more than Begins.

Ah man, Man of Steel was so promising, but I just couldn't get past Michael Shannon as Zod. He hammed it up sooo hard, and the whole moral dilemma with killing Zod kind of felt silly and unrealistic, even for Superman's standards.

Yeah, DC pumps out hot garbage dude. Not sure why everyone loved Wonder Woman, I honestly thought Batman V Superman was better than that garbage fire.

Yeah, i didn't think Begins was great, but not bad either. Solid origin story imo.

Yeah, see, this is what everyone says about MoS. I don't even disagree. I like Michael Shannon, but I did think he was a bit too much, and everyone seemed to hate the moral dilemma ,AND that he actually killed Zod. But that was like 3 mintues of the movie, and that seems to be all people remember of it.
Up until that point, i thought it was pretty good. The movie as a whole gets judged way too harsh

I forgot about WW. I was in the middle on that one. I like Chris Pine, and i thought he and Gadot had some good chemistry. The movie fell apart in the end with that final fight scene with Ares. But like MoS, i thought it was decent up until the end