How can anyone look at '04 Hughes, '10 Shields and '19 Colby/Usman and say the sport has evolved?

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  1. Versace

    Versace Bezos Belt Double Yellow Card

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    Got choked out by a FW in his prime lol
     
  2. r-harper-1

    r-harper-1 Red Belt

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    Point?
     
  3. Ryeboi

    Ryeboi F*ck Trump Belt

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    First off EVERY FIGHTER tries to:
    A. Master one martial art
    B. Learn another martial arts along the way
    C. Develop superb cardio
    D. And learn how to defend their weakness.
    This is par for the course.

    So sure.

    But you specifically think wrestling is the blueprint, which implies, it was that way from the beginning and everyone uses it.
    Except UFC 1 was won by Royce Gracie and he had no wrestling, just jiujitsu and poor striking.
    And there aren't only four fighters in the sport.

    Conor is primarily a boxer with wrestling and jiujitsu defense.
    Israel and Anderson silva are primarily kickboxers with wrestling and jiujitsu defense.
    Lyoto Machida Karate, Shogun Kickboxer.
    Yoel is one of the sports MOST decorated wrestler that uses his knockout power instead of ground and pound.
    Henry Cejudo didn't become champion until he started learning Karate.
    DC loves to let his hand loose.
    Aldo was a jits guy with kickboxing.
    BJ penn and the Diaz brothers are jits guy with boxing.
    Jon Jones started with wrestling but uses his kickboxing to win fights.

    ..the list goes on an on. you're wrong. the sport has evolved.
     
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  4. fortheo

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    Covington and usman are modern day Fitch and Koscheck. The evolution in this sport is drastically overstated.
     
  5. Hotora86

    Hotora86 #StayTheFuckHome #FlattenTheCurve #WashYourHands

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    I kinda agree but I think the blueprint can be broader:
    "be good at everything and expert at something"

    Of course many current champs are good at everything and experts in wrestling as you correctly point out - but there are exceptions like Izzy, who is expert in kickboxing.
     
  6. Versace

    Versace Bezos Belt Double Yellow Card

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    He would've had zero chance against Usman, Colby, Woodley etc.
     
  7. Mamou

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    Lmao no your haven't. The left hook he landed on Almeida is the best standing strike he's ever landed. His wrestling/grappling was fantastic but his striking wasn't even average, maybe not even below average.
     
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    I agree with that .....just think his submission skills means he’s not one dimensional
     
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    NoSmilez Silver Belt

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    The sport has evolved a lot. Hughes wouldn't even make top five in today's 170 fighting and testing. Hughes would be considered a short undersized WW with poor striking. He wouldn't even make it past Maia for a title shot. People would be making threads about how he should cut to 155.
     
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    Out of the 3 Shields grappling would be the worst for Hughes.

    Prime Hughes isn’t getting out grappled by Colby or Usman
     
  11. grimballer

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    How can anybody look at them n say it didn’t evolve?

    Colby n usman are obviously much better strikers. They are better conditioned n are facing much better competition.

    Stats prove it as well.

    Colby n usman land way more than Hughes n shields

    they also get way more td n they themselves don’t get td as easily as Hughes n shields

    basically they do everything Hughes n shields did, do it better n do things Hughes n shields didn’t do
     
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    Wait you was the guy saying Tanner and Loiseau coullb be top contenders in 2016.
    Now you admit that you don't acknowledge the evolution of the spot, somehing every pro fighter and coach do; or anyone with functional eyes who trains or understand the sport. lol what a turd
     
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    They wouldn’t grapple with him. They would literally pick him apart standing n he couldn’t do nothing about it
     
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    The training methods have definitely evolved.
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    On second thought.. Maybe not..
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  15. Croton

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    Hughes was a Pioneer but christ he would struggle to even crack top 10 today with his skill set.
     
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    green giant Honor still means something................

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    Prime Hughes would be a good fight for either one. A young strong body and sharp mind are underestimated.
     
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    They are both clearly far superior fighters which is why his comparison was retarded (just like you).
     
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    2004 Matt would be good today but these guys have much better striking and more importantly adequate striking defense, aside from when they actually fought eachother (colby and usman).
     
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    Usman would rag doll him imo .....but likely keep it standing because Hughes isn’t a threat standing
     
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    Hmmm Hughes never looked anywhere close to 200 lbs .... maybe someone was exaggerating lol
     

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