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International Hezbollah pager explosions kill dozens and injure thousands in Lebanon

Agreed. If there were reasonable steps, I take back what I've said.. but it sounds right now as if innocents were hurt, so I stand by it. There are videos of them exploding on the street or in super markets with the targets literally surrounded by innocents.

It's going to be clearer than a random incident in Gaza.

It looks like there's a lot of footage of this one, though it will take a while to collate.

We are going to know for sure if there were adequate precautions taken. Maybe there was. Just maybe. Maybe the injury to innocents was minimal.

I think we'd all be happy if that turned out to be the case, and I too will retract my statements that it was reckless.

We'll see. I think this time we actually will get a pretty clear picture.
 
Its probably impossible to carry out an operation like this without hurting some civilians, the question is what precautions did the Israelis take to minimize that? The fact that they used this kind of covert operation with smaller explosives rather than a large military operation as was being talked about some months ago does indicate to me that its part of a strategy to avoid escalation which might be good.

Hezbollah launches barrage of rockets and drones towards Israel​



lol... More precautions than Hezbollah takes
 
That's a war. Civilization vs Terrorists. Do you think terrorists are hesitating before killing ?

Bad actors all around. I'm hoping for a double KO myself.

My point is that blanket attacks on large swaths of random people (claiming they are all Hezbollah lol) is some dirty ass tactic, and just another example of the multiple war crimes Israel has constantly been accused of by humans rights watchdogs.

They're both low IQ, mentally disturbed terrorist groups to me.
 
How the fuck are y'all in here celebrating a state funded terrorist attack on not only claimed military targets, but on hospitals too; let alone a mass murder that included children?
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Today is a sad anniversary : September 17 is the bloodiest day of "black September" of 1986, a month which saw 6 Hezbollah terrorist attacks take place in Paris. That day alone, 5 people were killed and 55 injured.
Thank you Israel brothers.
 
Its probably impossible to carry out an operation like this without hurting some civilians, the question is what precautions did the Israelis take to minimize that? The fact that they used this kind of covert operation with smaller explosives rather than a large military operation as was being talked about some months ago does indicate to me that its part of a strategy to avoid escalation which might be good.
- None. US JR doesnt care!
 
- None. US JR doesnt care!
I don't have much faith in the Israelis but I'm going to wait until we get more info before I pass judgment here. Like I said for all we know this could be due to the Biden admin's pressure to shift towards more covert operations and the alternative was a large scale military actions that could've caused more collateral damage.
 

Hezbollah vows retaliation after exploding pagers kill at least 9 and hurt almost 3,000​


Israel yet to make statement about detonations across Lebanon that killed a 10-year-old girl and left 400 in a reported critical condition

William Christou in Beirut, Lorenzo Tondo in Jerusalem and Andrew Roth in Washington

Hezbollah has vowed to retaliate against Israel after pagers used by its members exploded across Lebanon simultaneously, killing at least nine people and wounding almost 3,000 in a dramatic and unprecedented attack at a time of heightened tensions in the Middle East.

There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military on the blasts, which came just hours after Israel announced it was broadening the aims of the war sparked by the Hamas attacks on 7 October to include its fight against Hezbollah along the border with Lebanon.


Lebanon’s health minister, Firass Abiad, said the blasts on Tuesday killed a 10-year-old girl, among others. He told a press conference: “About 2,750 people were injured … more than 200 of them critically,” with injuries mostly reported to the face, hands and stomach.

The apparent sabotage attack followed months of targeted assassinations by Israel against senior Hezbollah leaders and came as US officials try to de-escalate tensions between the two sides and remain concerned that Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, could order a ground invasion of Lebanon. It threatens to derail efforts by the US to prevent Iran, which backs the Lebanese Shia militia, from retaliating against Israel for the July bombing in Tehran that killed the Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh.

The blasts appeared to exploit the low-tech pagers that Hezbollah has adopted in order to prevent the targeted assassinations of its members, who could be tracked by mobile phone signals. Those wounded in the attack include Iran’s ambassador to Beirut, Mojtaba Amani, according to reports.

It also ratcheted up tensions between Israel and Hezbollah, interrupting an uneasy calm which had prevailed over the last three weeks when both parties had appeared to step back from the brink of a regional war after a limited Hezbollah response in late August to Israel’s assassination of its top military commander, Fuad Shukur, in Beirut.

Lebanon’s information minister called the explosions an act of “Israeli aggression”.

Hezbollah said two of its fighters were among the dead and threatened a “just punishment” for Israel. Later media reports said the son of the Hezbollah MP Ali Ammar also died in the explosions.

Hezbollah fighters in Syria were also injured in the attack, with several being treated in hospitals in Damascus, according to the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. Iran’s Revolutionary Guards-affiliated Saberin News reported that some guards in Syria had also been killed.

The US state department spokesperson, Matthew Miller, said it was “too early to say” how it would affect Gaza ceasefire talks. He told a briefing the US was not involved and did not know who was responsible. Hamas described the attack as an “escalation” that would lead to Israel’s defeat.

Israeli media reports on Tuesday evening said Netanyahu, the defence minister, Yoav Gallant, and other security chiefs had been huddling at the defence ministry headquarters at the Kirya base in Tel Aviv after the blasts. The Israeli military said senior commanders had held a situational assessment “focusing on readiness in both offence and defence in all arenas” but there was no change in instructions to civilians.

The Israel Defense Forces’ home front command told local authorities there was a possibility of an escalation after the incident.

A Hezbollah source said they believed the attack was in response to an alleged assassination attempt by the Shia militia on a former top Israeli defence official, revealed on Tuesday by the Israeli Shin Bet security agency.

It accused Hezbollah of attempting to kill a former security official using a claymore anti-personnel mine that could be detonated remotely, publishing photos of a dismantled bomb and wiring wrapped in tape that it claimed showed the attack was prevented in its “final stages”. Hezbollah has not commented on the alleged assassination attempt.

The attack was the third time Beirut had been targeted since the beginning of hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah on 8 October. The Lebanese militia had launched rockets at Israel the day before, “in solidarity” with Hamas’s attack on southern Israel, which began the current Gaza war.

Hospitals across Lebanon were overwhelmed with an influx of patients, and a field hospital was set up in the southern city of Tyre to accommodate the wounded. The sound of ambulance sirens was constant in Lebanon’s capital city more than three hours after the initial attack.

Videos of patients, including children, with mangled hands, gaping wounds in their sides and bandaged heads circulated on Lebanese social media. A doctor in Beirut’s Geitawi hospital said the emergency room was tending “several critical patients”.

A senior security source said pagers all over the country exploded, primarily wounding members of Hezbollah. They added that security agencies would investigate how the sophisticated attack was carried out, but that forces were currently occupied ensuring wounded people could reach hospitals.

A Hezbollah official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters the detonation of the pagers was the “biggest security breach” the group had been subjected to in nearly a year of war with Israel.

Lebanon’s health ministry put hospitals across the country on “maximum alert” and instructed citizens to distance themselves from wireless communication devices.

Hezbollah maintains its own communication network separate from the rest of Lebanon. Suspicions that Israel has managed to penetrate the group’s telecommunications have been held since October, as several Hezbollah commanders have been assassinated in targeted strikes.

Yossi Melman, a co-author of Spies Against Armageddon and other books on Israeli intelligence, said: “This absolutely has all the hallmarks of a Mossad operation. Somebody has planted minor explosives or malware inside the pagers. I understand they were recently supplied as well.”

Melman said he understood that “a lot of people in Hezbollah carried these pagers, not just top echelon commanders”. They were used by the Lebanese group because they feared their mobile phones were being monitored by Israeli intelligence to surveil their communications and to pinpoint missile attacks.

The exercise showed, he said, that “[the] Mossad is able to penetrate and infiltrate Hezbollah time and time again” but he questioned whether there was any strategic gain to the coordinated explosions. “It won’t change the situation on the ground, and I don’t see any advance in it.”

The incident came as the Israeli prime minister was holding a series of high-level security consultations with the heads of the security forces amid rising tensions with Hezbollah, according to Israeli media reports.

The consultations were called a few hours after Israel, during an overnight meeting of the security cabinet on Tuesday, approved the decision to expand its war goals to include the return of tens of thousands of Israelis evacuated from towns along the northern frontier that have been badly damaged by rockets fired by Hezbollah – a move that suggests a large-scale military operation against the Lebanese militant group is likely.

Hezbollah officials have said in the past that the group would stand down if a Gaza ceasefire was reached, while Israel says it cannot allow militants to remain in the border area in southern Lebanon.

The violence has killed hundreds – mostly fighters – in Lebanon, and dozens of civilians and soldiers on the Israeli side. The fighting has also forced tens of thousands of people on both sides to flee their homes.

In recent days, according to media reports in the country, Netanyahu has been allegedly considering dismissing Gallant as defence minister. The move would be the biggest leadership shake-up in the country since the 7 October attacks, and could pave the way to an all-out conflict against Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Gallant is believed to have consistently opposed a big military operation in Lebanon while the fighting is continuing against Hamas in Gaza, West Bank violence and military activities are escalating, and Israel is fighting off Houthi missile attacks and dealing with Iran’s nuclear ambitions and threats.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-members-hurt-in-lebanon-after-pagers-explode
 

Hezbollah vows retaliation after exploding pagers kill at least 9 and hurt almost 3,000​


Israel yet to make statement about detonations across Lebanon that killed a 10-year-old girl and left 400 in a reported critical condition

William Christou in Beirut, Lorenzo Tondo in Jerusalem and Andrew Roth in Washington

Hezbollah has vowed to retaliate against Israel after pagers used by its members exploded across Lebanon simultaneously, killing at least nine people and wounding almost 3,000 in a dramatic and unprecedented attack at a time of heightened tensions in the Middle East.

There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military on the blasts, which came just hours after Israel announced it was broadening the aims of the war sparked by the Hamas attacks on 7 October to include its fight against Hezbollah along the border with Lebanon.


Lebanon’s health minister, Firass Abiad, said the blasts on Tuesday killed a 10-year-old girl, among others. He told a press conference: “About 2,750 people were injured … more than 200 of them critically,” with injuries mostly reported to the face, hands and stomach.

The apparent sabotage attack followed months of targeted assassinations by Israel against senior Hezbollah leaders and came as US officials try to de-escalate tensions between the two sides and remain concerned that Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, could order a ground invasion of Lebanon. It threatens to derail efforts by the US to prevent Iran, which backs the Lebanese Shia militia, from retaliating against Israel for the July bombing in Tehran that killed the Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh.

The blasts appeared to exploit the low-tech pagers that Hezbollah has adopted in order to prevent the targeted assassinations of its members, who could be tracked by mobile phone signals. Those wounded in the attack include Iran’s ambassador to Beirut, Mojtaba Amani, according to reports.

It also ratcheted up tensions between Israel and Hezbollah, interrupting an uneasy calm which had prevailed over the last three weeks when both parties had appeared to step back from the brink of a regional war after a limited Hezbollah response in late August to Israel’s assassination of its top military commander, Fuad Shukur, in Beirut.

Lebanon’s information minister called the explosions an act of “Israeli aggression”.

Hezbollah said two of its fighters were among the dead and threatened a “just punishment” for Israel. Later media reports said the son of the Hezbollah MP Ali Ammar also died in the explosions.

Hezbollah fighters in Syria were also injured in the attack, with several being treated in hospitals in Damascus, according to the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. Iran’s Revolutionary Guards-affiliated Saberin News reported that some guards in Syria had also been killed.

The US state department spokesperson, Matthew Miller, said it was “too early to say” how it would affect Gaza ceasefire talks. He told a briefing the US was not involved and did not know who was responsible. Hamas described the attack as an “escalation” that would lead to Israel’s defeat.

Israeli media reports on Tuesday evening said Netanyahu, the defence minister, Yoav Gallant, and other security chiefs had been huddling at the defence ministry headquarters at the Kirya base in Tel Aviv after the blasts. The Israeli military said senior commanders had held a situational assessment “focusing on readiness in both offence and defence in all arenas” but there was no change in instructions to civilians.

The Israel Defense Forces’ home front command told local authorities there was a possibility of an escalation after the incident.

A Hezbollah source said they believed the attack was in response to an alleged assassination attempt by the Shia militia on a former top Israeli defence official, revealed on Tuesday by the Israeli Shin Bet security agency.

It accused Hezbollah of attempting to kill a former security official using a claymore anti-personnel mine that could be detonated remotely, publishing photos of a dismantled bomb and wiring wrapped in tape that it claimed showed the attack was prevented in its “final stages”. Hezbollah has not commented on the alleged assassination attempt.

The attack was the third time Beirut had been targeted since the beginning of hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah on 8 October. The Lebanese militia had launched rockets at Israel the day before, “in solidarity” with Hamas’s attack on southern Israel, which began the current Gaza war.

Hospitals across Lebanon were overwhelmed with an influx of patients, and a field hospital was set up in the southern city of Tyre to accommodate the wounded. The sound of ambulance sirens was constant in Lebanon’s capital city more than three hours after the initial attack.

Videos of patients, including children, with mangled hands, gaping wounds in their sides and bandaged heads circulated on Lebanese social media. A doctor in Beirut’s Geitawi hospital said the emergency room was tending “several critical patients”.

A senior security source said pagers all over the country exploded, primarily wounding members of Hezbollah. They added that security agencies would investigate how the sophisticated attack was carried out, but that forces were currently occupied ensuring wounded people could reach hospitals.

A Hezbollah official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters the detonation of the pagers was the “biggest security breach” the group had been subjected to in nearly a year of war with Israel.

Lebanon’s health ministry put hospitals across the country on “maximum alert” and instructed citizens to distance themselves from wireless communication devices.

Hezbollah maintains its own communication network separate from the rest of Lebanon. Suspicions that Israel has managed to penetrate the group’s telecommunications have been held since October, as several Hezbollah commanders have been assassinated in targeted strikes.

Yossi Melman, a co-author of Spies Against Armageddon and other books on Israeli intelligence, said: “This absolutely has all the hallmarks of a Mossad operation. Somebody has planted minor explosives or malware inside the pagers. I understand they were recently supplied as well.”

Melman said he understood that “a lot of people in Hezbollah carried these pagers, not just top echelon commanders”. They were used by the Lebanese group because they feared their mobile phones were being monitored by Israeli intelligence to surveil their communications and to pinpoint missile attacks.

The exercise showed, he said, that “[the] Mossad is able to penetrate and infiltrate Hezbollah time and time again” but he questioned whether there was any strategic gain to the coordinated explosions. “It won’t change the situation on the ground, and I don’t see any advance in it.”

The incident came as the Israeli prime minister was holding a series of high-level security consultations with the heads of the security forces amid rising tensions with Hezbollah, according to Israeli media reports.

The consultations were called a few hours after Israel, during an overnight meeting of the security cabinet on Tuesday, approved the decision to expand its war goals to include the return of tens of thousands of Israelis evacuated from towns along the northern frontier that have been badly damaged by rockets fired by Hezbollah – a move that suggests a large-scale military operation against the Lebanese militant group is likely.

Hezbollah officials have said in the past that the group would stand down if a Gaza ceasefire was reached, while Israel says it cannot allow militants to remain in the border area in southern Lebanon.

The violence has killed hundreds – mostly fighters – in Lebanon, and dozens of civilians and soldiers on the Israeli side. The fighting has also forced tens of thousands of people on both sides to flee their homes.

In recent days, according to media reports in the country, Netanyahu has been allegedly considering dismissing Gallant as defence minister. The move would be the biggest leadership shake-up in the country since the 7 October attacks, and could pave the way to an all-out conflict against Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Gallant is believed to have consistently opposed a big military operation in Lebanon while the fighting is continuing against Hamas in Gaza, West Bank violence and military activities are escalating, and Israel is fighting off Houthi missile attacks and dealing with Iran’s nuclear ambitions and threats.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-members-hurt-in-lebanon-after-pagers-explode

Wonder if everyone who thought this was cool on the first page thinks it's cool now a ten year old girl got killed?

Similar age to my daughter. Heartbreaking.
 
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