International Hezbollah ‘enters battle of reckoning’ with Israel as world powers urge restraint

[kflo]

It's not quite that simple. During the time of the Ottomans, Palestine was a geographical term for a region that was carved up in various vilayets and sanjaks. It was not an independent state or distinct political entity. There was no real Palestinian identity yet, the people were Levantine Arabs that mostly identified along clan/tribal/religious lines. It was the Ottoman land codes that allowed the Jews to buy up so much land and create a presence in the region. Then of course WWI happened, and the British took over.

He doesn’t care.

 

[kflo]

Not sure about that.

But hopefully.

But Israel was still wrong! They should have stayed in permanent state of conflict and daily dome activity.

 

[Yehudim]

Escalation? The war is over at this point Hezbollah was completely decapitated all major leadership gone, rocket sites exposed and destroyed and their communication system is gone too.


Whatever is left of Hezbollah will sue for peace

On an actual conventional war level, but regardless of Hezbollah survives, there’s still gonna be a bunch of pissed off Arabs that want to fight Israel.

 

[Rholk]

On an actual conventional war level, but regardless of Hezbollah survives, there’s still gonna be a bunch of pissed off Arabs that want to fight Israel.

Oh yeah, like that's something new

 

[cottagecheesefan]

 

[Limeade]

What a big accomplisment. I remember when he first came on the scene pushing the IDF out of Lebanon.

Who will take his place and will Hezbollah splinter or somehow limp along with continued outside support.

 

[Rod1]

On an actual conventional war level, but regardless of Hezbollah survives, there’s still gonna be a bunch of pissed off Arabs that want to fight Israel.

Who was the guy who said a mob is as much of an army as a pile of bricks is a house?

I don't think Hezbollah wants a war at this moment, but Israel may see this disorganization as a golden opportunity to invade Lebanon now that they are weak.

 

[Rod1]

Insane.

Netanyahu has worked towards this escalation for months, and Joe Biden has made sure he's had everything he's ever asked for, even as Netanyahu openly hates him.

Will Israel and USA see any backlash, now or in the future? Honestly, not sure.

You see the IDF seeing red and carpet bombing Gaza to dust and somehow Hezbollah's leadership thought it a good idea to send rocket daily towards Israel.

As much as Netanyahu is a despicable guy, Hezbollah really needed to read the room.

 

[plataoplombo]

Escalation? The war is over at this point Hezbollah was completely decapitated all major leadership gone, rocket sites exposed and destroyed and their communication system is gone too.


Whatever is left of Hezbollah will sue for peace

I don't think peace is attainable without either Israel or Iran and their proxies being flat lined for good.

 

[Jon!]

You see the IDF seeing red and carpet bombing Gaza to dust and somehow Hezbollah's leadership thought it a good idea to send rocket daily towards Israel.

As much as Netanyahu is a despicable guy, Hezbollah really needed to read the room.

They did, but I don't think they by any means this is over.

 

[ocfightfan]

Goodbye Nasrallah.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I don't think Muslims in the UK are looking for such a solution, there is nothing to indicates that they want nothing less but a Muslim country in the territory of what is today's Israel.

Sure you can think that but I don't think you've provided sufficient evidence to suggest that and as I've said before there's a huge difference between wanting a Muslim majority Palestine via a climactic race war where all Jews are killed as Hamas wants and wanting one achieved through democracy in a unified state with equality for all. If you can't see the difference then idk what to tell you.

Ok, but this is completely off the topic, you are claiming with zero evidence that devout muslims want a secular, liberal, state in Israel.

I don't think its off topic, we're talking about the one state solution and you're making inferences about the mental state of its advocates and I'm arguing that those inferences aren't necessarily true.

I don't think the evidence you've provided necessarily supports your conclusion when there are alternative explanations.

Ok, but we were talking about an specific poll and what "israel cease to exist as a jewish state" meant for the people answering that poll.

Right and I'm pointing out to you that you cut off the second half of the question, "as a Jewish homeland", to make the responses seem more sinister than they would otherwise appear.

Moral argument was just the excuse.

You can believe that but I disagree.

And Temple Mount is only important because of religion, so its safe to say that most of the Muslim world's animosity towards Israel is religious in nature.

Its certainly fair to say the Temple Mount matters a lot to global Muslim opinion but the war in Gaza and attacks on Lebanon had generated lots of outrage despite not affecting the Temple Mount so its more than that.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Insane.

Netanyahu has worked towards this escalation for months, and Joe Biden has made sure he's had everything he's ever asked for, even as Netanyahu openly hates him.

Will Israel and USA see any backlash, now or in the future? Honestly, not sure.

Backlash for what? What is your issue with the recent operations in Lebanon? Israel killed a bunch of terrorists that were lobbing pot shots at them from across the border. I don't really trust Netanyahu's handling of the war but the recent operations seem pretty reasonable in that they were responding to a legitimate grievance(displacement of Israeli citizens by Hezbollah rockets) and addressed it through covert operations and targeted strikes.

I agree Biden has been a bit weak in reining in Israeli excesses but the real crimes of Israel are in the West Bank, not in dealing with an openly hostile quasi-state proxy on its border. I'll change my mind if we get more news on the fall out of the strikes and it turns out there's lots of collateral damage and good reason to believe Israel acted carelessly but some folks will criticize Israel for any and all military actions they take before the dust settles.

 

[kflo]

Sure you can think that but I don't think you've provided sufficient evidence to suggest that and as I've said before there's a huge difference between wanting a Muslim majority Palestine via a climactic race war where all Jews are killed as Hamas wants and wanting one achieved through democracy in a unified state with equality for all. If you can't see the difference then idk what to tell you.

I don't think its off topic, we're talking about the one state solution and you're making inferences about the mental state of its advocates and I'm arguing that those inferences aren't necessarily true.

I don't think the evidence you've provided necessarily supports your conclusion when there are alternative explanations.

Right and I'm pointing out to you that you cut off the second half of the question, "as a Jewish homeland", to make the responses seem more sinister than they would otherwise appear.

You can believe that but I disagree.

Its certainly fair to say the Temple Mount matters a lot to global Muslim opinion but the war in Gaza and attacks on Lebanon had generated lots of outrage despite not affecting the Temple Mount so its more than that.

Do you think a unified state that’s majority Palestinians and other Arabs works out well for the Jews in the ME?

 

[Jon!]

Backlash for what? What is your issue with the recent operations in Lebanon? Israel killed a bunch of terrorists that were lobbing pot shots at them from across the border. I don't really trust Netanyahu's handling for the war but the recent operations seem pretty reasonable in that they were responding to a legitimate grievance(displacement of Israeli citizens by Hezbollah rockets) and addressed it through covert operations and targeted strikes.

I agree Biden has been a bit weak in reining in Israeli excesses but the real crimes of Israel are in the West Bank, not in dealing with an openly hostile quasi-state proxy on its border. I'll change my mind if we get more news on the fall out of the strikes and it turns out there's lots of collateral damage and good reason to believe Israel acted carelessly but some folks will criticize Israel for any and all military actions they take before the dust settles.

Whether I have an issue with it is inconsequential - whether terrorists have an issue with it is far more important, and if USA or Israel are to face a backlash, that is likely high up the list of dangers.

I've already said in this thread (or the other, there's two now I think) that I appreciate Israel has been more targeted despite some collateral damage. So personally, it's not a massive beef for me, I think it's extremely aggressive and risky, and can't see how it isn't.

And I absolutely don't believe Hezbollah are done, but if they are, Iran aren't necessarily done.

 

[scoopj]

Who was the guy who said a mob is as much of an army as a pile of bricks is a house?

I don't think Hezbollah wants a war at this moment, but Israel may see this disorganization as a golden opportunity to invade Lebanon now that they are weak.

I believe that was @Rod1

 

[Madmick]

What a big accomplisment. I remember when he first came on the scene pushing the IDF out of Lebanon.

Who will take his place and will Hezbollah splinter or somehow limp along with continued outside support.

It has been freaking beautiful watching all of the not-so-secretly anti-Israeli media personalities cover every death of a Hezbollah member in the past two weeks by ending their segment ruefully with dire harbingers, "Many fear this crosses the line that will force Iran to respond", and "Fears are at an all-time high that the conflict could escalate"...just openly salivating at the prospect that the big bad Iranians were finally going to do something. So they could cover that development as confirming their relentless alarmist whining about Israel defending itself as precipitating WW3-- all Israel's fault! They're the only ones launching bombs. They started it, member? Like the best friend of the kid who just got his ass kicked on the playground saying after taking the first swing, 'Just you wait until his big brother hears about this! You'll be sorry!'

Then, today, what does Iran's great leader do? Oh, he says mean things. Very, very mean things. He calls on Muslims everywhere to "stand up" against Israel for this provocation. You know, read between the lines, I'm not going to do anything, Iran isn't, but we're so upset we would totally condone it if one of you did something, like...any of you? Are there any of you out there willing to strap the bomb around your chest? C'mon, I mean, that's our thing, right? We're Muslims. Somebody out there has to be ready to Allahu Snackbar. C'mon, guys! You can totally do this. We got your back. You can trust us to back you up when it counts. We're just chomping at the bit, here.

LMFAO.

 

[Jon!]

It has been freaking beautiful watching all of the not-so-secretly anti-Israeli media personalities cover every death of a Hezbollah member in the past two weeks by ending their segment ruefully with dire harbingers, "Many fear this crosses the line that will force Iran to respond", and "Fears are at an all-time high that the conflict could escalate"...just openly salivating at the prospect that the big bad Iranians were finally going to do something. So they could cover that development as confirming their relentless alarmist whining about Israel defending itself as precipitating WW3-- all Israel's fault! They're the only ones launching bombs. They started it, member? Like the best friend of the kid who just got his ass kicked on the playground saying after taking the first swing, 'Just you wait until his big brother hears about this! You'll be sorry!'

Then, today, what does Iran's great leader do? Oh, he says mean things. Very, very mean things. He calls on Muslims everywhere to "stand up" against Israel for this provocation. You know, read between the lines, I'm not going to do anything, Iran isn't, but we're so upset we would totally condone it if one of you did something, like...any of you? Are there any of you out there willing to strap the bomb around your chest? C'mon, I mean, that's our thing, right? We're Muslims. Somebody out there has to be ready to Allahu Snackbar. C'mon, guys! You can totally do this. We got your back. You can trust us to back you up when it counts. We're just chomping at the bit, here.

LMFAO.

That's the most promising thing - Khamenei giving the weakest statement of all time.

Maybe he will start to wilt after all.

 

[ocfightfan]

Whether I have an issue with it is inconsequential - whether terrorists have an issue with it is far more important, and if USA or Israel are to face a backlash, that is likely high up the list of dangers.

I've already said in this thread (or the other, there's two now I think) that I appreciate Israel has been more targeted despite some collateral damage. So personally, it's not a massive beef for me, I think it's extremely aggressive and risky, and can't see how it isn't.

And I absolutely don't believe Hezbollah are done, but if they are, Iran aren't necessarily done.

It's just another day in the Middle East. The only difference is whether Israel defends itself or doesn't. Arabs and Persians can slaughter each other and nobody in the rest of the world cares but the moment Israel responds to violence directed at it's people then that is just unacceptable.

 

[ocfightfan]

It has been freaking beautiful watching all of the not-so-secretly anti-Israeli media personalities cover every death of a Hezbollah member in the past two weeks by ending their segment ruefully with dire harbingers, "Many fear this crosses the line that will force Iran to respond", and "Fears are at an all-time high that the conflict could escalate"...just openly salivating at the prospect that the big bad Iranians were finally going to do something. So they could cover that development as confirming their relentless alarmist whining about Israel defending itself as precipitating WW3-- all Israel's fault! They're the only ones launching bombs. They started it, member? Like the best friend of the kid who just got his ass kicked on the playground saying after taking the first swing, 'Just you wait until his big brother hears about this! You'll be sorry!'

Then, today, what does Iran's great leader do? Oh, he says mean things. Very, very mean things. He calls on Muslims everywhere to "stand up" against Israel for this provocation. You know, read between the lines, I'm not going to do anything, Iran isn't, but we're so upset we would totally condone it if one of you did something, like...any of you? Are there any of you out there willing to strap the bomb around your chest? C'mon, I mean, that's our thing, right? We're Muslims. Somebody out there has to be ready to Allahu Snackbar. C'mon, guys! You can totally do this. We got your back. You can trust us to back you up when it counts. We're just chomping at the bit, here.

LMFAO.

And now Khamenei is in hiding.