Crime Headlining Crime Megathread Vol 4.

[gspieler]

I don't really get the whole premeditated thing in this case. I think about a crime of passion like a person is overcome with rage at seeing their spouse cheating and kills one of them. That makes sense as a non premeditated crime and is different than a criminal choosing to murder someone because they just feel like doing it.

But in this case you have two guys choosing to murder a random guy on the street. I don't get how that is less serious than if they discussed murdering people let's say before they stole the car. Why would that be more serious?

The hate crime stuff is fucking stupid. Hate is basically always part of these crimes in one form or another. It's not a worse crime because they specifically hate one particular thing like that person's race.

Intent, i.e. does it appear they were deliberately trying to end a life, or did they just want to hit a pedestrian on bike, without regard to consequence? I would argue the video sugges

The degree of "premeditation". Is making a split-second decision to mess somebody up for fun, the same as sitting at home and plotting to murder somebody, in regards to how it should be judged?

I agree that "hate" generally shouldn't matter in a crime, except insofar as it might support the act was premeditated. Being a bigot is not the illegal act, but murdering somebody is.

 

[Rod1]

Most people agreed that the police officer that kneeled on George Floyd was wrong but there was still a huge response right? The point here is the response changes dramatically when the races change. That is simply undeniable.

You were talking about this specific case with race reversed, police brutality is another topic entirely.

 

[Rod1]

The hate crime stuff is fucking stupid. Hate is basically always part of these crimes in one form or another. It's not a worse crime because they specifically hate one particular thing like that person's race.

Hate crime is to put away people who would potentially be a danger to certain members of society.

If someone punched someone of another race/religion/ethnicity just because they are from a different ethnicity you sure as hell don't want them on the street for a long time, otherwise is just assault.

 

[IamStryker]

Hate crime is to put away people who would potentially be a danger to certain members of society.

If someone punched someone of another race/religion/ethnicity just because they are from a different ethnicity you sure as hell don't want them on the street for a long time, otherwise is just assault.

This case is about murder. They are a danger to EVERYONE.

 

[IamStryker]

You were talking about this specific case with race reversed, police brutality is another topic entirely.

Reversing race changes things on all sorts of cases. Not just murder.

 

[IamStryker]

Intent, i.e. does it appear they were deliberately trying to end a life, or did they just want to hit a pedestrian on bike, without regard to consequence? I would argue the video sugges

They deliberately aimed their car at a guy on a bicycle. No shit they wanted to end a life.

The degree of "premeditation". Is making a split-second decision to mess somebody up for fun, the same as sitting at home and plotting to murder somebody, in regards to how it should be judged?

Explain why choosing to kill someone for fun in the span of 10 seconds is not as bad as deciding to do it sitting at home on the couch?

 

[IamStryker]

Hate crime is to put away people who would potentially be a danger to certain members of society.

If someone punched someone of another race/religion/ethnicity just because they are from a different ethnicity you sure as hell don't want them on the street for a long time, otherwise is just assault.

Wouldn't assaulting random people be just as bad? Aren't you just as much of a menace to society?

 

[Rod1]

This case is about murder. They are a danger to EVERYONE.

Yup and that will probably turn what could be manslaughter into a very lengthy sentence.

 

[Rod1]

Wouldn't assaulting random people be just as bad? Aren't you just as much of a menace to society?

Yeah, but not enough to put you away for a very long time.

 

[IamStryker]

Yup and that will probably turn what could be manslaughter into a very lengthy sentence.

And has nothing to do with "hate crime".

 

[Rod1]

Reversing race changes things on all sorts of cases. Not just murder.

You claimed that if a white person killed a black person there would be protests and riots even if the white person is arrested immediatly.

I can't recall such a case, when there are riots and protests is usually because a) there are cops involved, b) the killer isn't arrested or charged.

 

[IamStryker]

Yeah, but not enough to put you away for a very long time.

It's just as bad but doesn't give you a longer sentence. That's exactly the problem with this hate crime nonsense.

 

[IamStryker]

You claimed that if a white person killed a black person there would be protests and riots even if the white person is arrested immediatly.

I can't recall such a case, when there are riots and protests is usually because a) there are cops involved, b) the killer isn't arrested or charged.

There would certainly be protests and all sorts of coverage on racism and white supremacy.

 

[gspieler]

They deliberately aimed their car at a guy on a bicycle. No shit they wanted to end a life.



Explain why choosing to kill someone for fun in the span of 10 seconds is not as bad as deciding to do it sitting at home on the couch?

1. I'm not convinced at all, they specifically sought to end that man's life. I could be proven wrong. But I mostly beleive they are low life idiots, who were having their version of fun, without regard to consequence.

2. Because it galvanizes the crime being premeditated, and removes the possibility of the "passion" element, which seems to be supported by the fact they were clearly going around committing whatever crimes presented themselves, because it brought them pleasure, in the moment.

 

[deadshot138]

1. I'm not convinced at all, they specifically sought to end that man's life. I could be proven wrong. But I mostly beleive they are low life idiots, who were having their version of fun, without regard to consequence.

2. Because it galvanizes the crime being premeditated, and removes the possibility of the "passion" element, which seems to be supported by the fact they were clearly going around committing whatever crimes presented themselves, because it brought them pleasure, in the moment.

You're being willfully ignorant and that's fine but just admit it. You're saying it's reasonable to not expect someone to die by shooting them in the head. You're grasping at straws and have no intelligent argument.

 

[gspieler]

You're being willfully ignorant and that's fine but just admit it. You're saying it's reasonable to not expect someone to die by shooting them in the head. You're grasping at straws and have no intelligent argument.

I've stated my rationale in several posts ITT. The only argument you've presented to me is a meaningless ad hominem. I have no reason to take this post seriously. Maybe try and dispute actual points, like that other poster is doing.

 

[Rod1]

There would certainly be protests and all sorts of coverage on racism and white supremacy.

Protesting for what exactly?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Chicago Mom Strangled In Garage Allegedly By 63-Year-Old Boyfriend
Boyle, who was already waiting for Jamison at the garage, allegedly strangled her, took her phone and covered her body with a tarp, cops said further.

Sierra Jamison was a health care worker and the mother of a 6-year-old boy. (File)

Sierra Jamison, a health care worker and mother of a 6-year-old boy, was found dead inside a garage near her home in Chicago on Monday, US media said quoting cops.

Jamison was strangled by her boyfriend, 63-year-old Lawrence Boyle, who was arrested Wednesday, news agency HuffPost reported quoting Chicago Police officials.

On Monday evening, Jamison told her mother that she was going to park her Jeep. It was then that she was murdered by her boyfriend, said cops.

Boyle was already waiting for Jamison at the garage.

Boyle, who was already waiting for Jamison at the garage, allegedly strangled her, took her phone and covered her body with a tarp, cops said further.

When Jamison did not return home and was unresponsive to calls and texts, her mother asked her brother to check on her, the report said.

Her brother claims he found Boyle outside the garage with Jamison's phone.

Boyle claimed that she had thrown it at him and left to go to the store, according to charging documents from the Chicago Police Department, the news agency report added.

Not convinced by Boyle's story, Jamison's mother then went to inspect the garage herself, where she found her daughter's body under the tarp, it said.

After leaving the garage, Boyle called his ex-wife and confessed strangling Jamison, according to the police document.

On Wednesday, Boyle turned himself in.

Boyle and Jamison had been friends for around a decade but they began dating a few weeks ago.

Sadina Jamison, Sierra's aunt, told CBS Chicago that Boyle had been someone Sierra had trusted and who "she was comfortable around" and had "no reason to fear."

Sierra Jamison was killed just a month after speaking out about violence against Black women.

Jamison was the victim of an attempted carjacking but bravely fought off the perpetrator. A group of women in the area came to her aid and she was able to escape unscathed.

She shared her experiences with news channel CBS Chicago, hoping her story would empower other Black women who had been victims of violent crimes.

She told the outlet: "They literally stepped in and helped me. It was a lot of Black empowerment, women empowerment, that day."
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chi...ge-allegedly-by-63-year-old-boyfriend-4418125

 

[The_Renaissance]

What a weird couple.

 

[The_Renaissance]

1. I'm not convinced at all, they specifically sought to end that man's life. I could be proven wrong. But I mostly beleive they are low life idiots, who were having their version of fun, without regard to consequence.

2. Because it galvanizes the crime being premeditated, and removes the possibility of the "passion" element, which seems to be supported by the fact they were clearly going around committing whatever crimes presented themselves, because it brought them pleasure, in the moment.

Driving your car deliberately at someone is assault with a deadly weapon and 99.9% of the time is treated as attempted murder, such as when a terrorist does it to a crowd of people. Maybe even 100% of the time.

You are a despicable, apologetic prick - a disgrace of a human being trying to claim 1), simply due to the colour of the skin of the guilty. You deserve the very worst of life.