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gspieler said:
I'm not disagreeing that data can be manipulated to support whatever conclusion someone wants it to, or that data is often exploited. But on this particular topic, the correlations have been obvious. It was rare to read about(and nit just from right wing sources) mass rapes, bombings, huge upticks in violent crime, sexual assaults, etc, prior to the 2010's, in aplace like Sweden. It's also known that the government actively tries to surpress data that could paint immigrants in a negative light. I'm not one of these righties who thinks that every immigrant who steps off the boat us looking to exploit/tear down the system any way they can. But there's certainly been pretty noticable examples of that occurring.
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Has there been? And has that been proven to be a consequence of immigration?

I'm not saying it isn't because I can't prove it, I'm just pointing out the the "obvious" assumption hasn't been proven yet either.
 
Loiosh said:
Has there been? And has that been proven to be a consequence of immigration?

I'm not saying it isn't because I can't prove it, I'm just pointing out the the "obvious" assumption hasn't been proven yet either.
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Since most people involved are first and second generation immigrants.
Also the biggest gang leader in this is called the Kurdish fox and is hiding in Turkey. Itmight not been proven by research or so but its a very common knowledge that most people involved on organized crimes like this (almost 30 000 members in Sweden) are first and second gen immigrants.

Even the swedish news / politician/ police talk about integration and how its failed and they talk about that we do not want a clan based society in Sweden
 
Renard said:
It's pretty clear that the authorities in charge of western nations have an agenda in mind and they're intent on implementing it regardless of the negative consequences on society and the citizenry. It's not an experiment in the proper sense of the word because in an experiment you examine the results and come to a conclusion, and readjust your way of doing things based on that conclusion. In this case it's the opposite, they've already decided what they want to do and all of their energy is funneled towards trying to mind-fuck you into thinking it's a good idea, propagandizing you into agreeing with their predetermined course of action. 'Diversity is our strength' rhetoric blasted 24/7 in the media, in public discourse.
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Interestingly, Thomas Sowell makes a similar argument in relation to social efforts and programs in the US- they are assumed to be beneficial but data often does not bear out the assumptions.
 
Loiosh said:
I know almost nothing about Swedish immigration but it's long been known that conservatives internationally have capitalized on how they calculate crime statistics to push narratives. For example, in Sweden if a rapist assaults the same woman multiple times, each incident counts, suggesting a much higher rate of rape than other countries. This was immediately tied to immigration, of course, because that's all that matters to some.

The same goes for lethal violence because Sweden includes suicides. Sweden's homicide rate is pretty low but you wouldn't know that from international reporting.

Just look at this thread, the obvious narrative is that immigrants are criminals. That's the only reason people care about crime in Sweden. Trump famously said that Mexico was sending it's rapists, despite the fact illegal immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes because they have so much more to lose and typically want to be as invisible as possible.
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Neat. Now explain away bombing stats.
 
Loiosh said:
Has there been? And has that been proven to be a consequence of immigration?

I'm not saying it isn't because I can't prove it, I'm just pointing out the the "obvious" assumption hasn't been proven yet either.
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As usual you are trying to make excuses and deflect.

This is an on going problem with immigration flooding.

This is a year old and they were making excuses then and it's only gotten worse. But don't worry the government will virtue signal at the cost of their people because anything else is "racist ".

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisaki...problem-heres-what-officials-blame-it-on/amp/
 
Loiosh said:
… conservatives internationally have capitalized on how they calculate crime statistics to push narratives. For example, in Sweden if a rapist assaults the same woman multiple times, each incident counts, suggesting a much higher rate of rape than other countries.
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lsa said:
Since most people involved are first and second generation immigrants.
Also the biggest gang leader in this is called the Kurdish fox and is hiding in Turkey. Itmight not been proven by research or so but its a very common knowledge that most people involved on organized crimes like this (almost 30 000 members in Sweden) are first and second gen immigrants.

Even the swedish news / politician/ police talk about integration and how its failed and they talk about that we do not want a clan based society in Sweden
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So the strongest example is someone who immigrated to Sweden when he was one month old and has lived in Turkey for five years?

Again, I don't know anything about Swedish immigration or the correlation with crime. I'm a tourist on this issue.
 
https://www.outkick.com/brothers-co...at-lebrons-i-promise-school-found-not-guilty/

From what I have heard and read these guys are only being charged with assault. If that's all they get this is crazy. There is no justice in these murderers only getting assault charges.

Here is what happened. The 17 year old I believe pulls up in a car with friends and shoots some kind of water gun at these guys. Very dumb thing to do. It's obviously a toy gun only meant to get the target wet. The 3 men then go after the guy and beat him so badly he dies.
 
Different justice system. Hard for the judge.

It’s a case of stupid tiktok culture leading to horrific real life results.

I don’t know if I could have found them guilty but involuntary manslaughter does feel like the right charge.
 
Loiosh said:
So the strongest example is someone who immigrated to Sweden when he was one month old and has lived in Turkey for five years?

Again, I don't know anything about Swedish immigration or the correlation with crime. I'm a tourist on this issue.
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Exactly...
I lived +40 years in Sweden as a first gen immigrant.
I grew up in a bad neighborhood and I have/had friends in organized crime back in the day.
Anybody with any knowledge of Sweden will tell you that yes this is a problem connected to immigration and piss poor integration.
Sadly you will never get any statistic as you very well know since Sweden does not do statistic over where the criminals come from if Swedish citizens.

No the strongest examples are all the dead people who all are more or less 1 or 2 gen immigrants. Second or as strong is the people that get sentence for the murders are 1 or 2 gen immigrants.

I mean even the Swedish left leaning medias is these days very open about the problems here.

Only some one NOT from Sweden would in 2023 try and argue this has nothing to do with immigration.

This is what the Swedish prime minister said yesterday evening:
""They must be locked up, and they must be expelled from the country if they are not Swedish citizens. We will hunt them down and we will win them over."

It is VERY clear to everybody here that the majority involved in this shit are immigrants. Its not even debatable.

Now this is a karate forum... I am not here to discuss Swedish politics or Sweden, with tourists.
So this will probably be my last reply in here.
 
One of them could still be retried.



The jury could not reach a verdict on the first count of involuntary manslaughter. He was found not guilty on the second count of involuntary manslaughter.

It is unclear whether prosecutors will attempt to take him to trial again on the first charge. The 20-year-old was found guilty of aggravated assault and assault. His bond was revoked and he was taken into custody.

Also from the article. Not quite the beating that TS alleged.

Liming died when his head hit the pavement after being punched in the face, according to authorities. The medical examiner ruled his death a homicide.

According to the medical examiner’s report, Liming’s injuries included “relatively superficial injuries to the face, torso, legs, arms and left hand.”

https://www.cleveland.com/crime/202...ng-attack-over-pellet-gun.html?outputType=amp
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Sounds like an overreaction but it does sound like there was a fair amount of fucking around and finding out involved also.
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Yeah, I mean obviously it's an OTT situation but you can't go around doin this shit man - these 'pranksters' will come a cropper eventually.
 
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