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Has GSP even claimed that he’s never used PED’S?

I don’t know for definite if GSP was or wasn’t on PED’s but I’d be more confident that he wasn’t if he was winning fights like Anderson Silva.

Fact is he was the biggest strongest guy in his weight class with the best cardio and most explosiveness in an era with rampant PED use. It’s known in sport science fast twitch fibers are cancer for endurance so his explosiveness and cardio doesn’t completely make sense.

He’s also known for having ties to organised crime and visits Mafia figures in jail so the narrative that he’s the “saint” of MMA doesn’t add up.
 
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Mate I posted a pic of GSP juiced to the gills displaying signs of steroid use that I named. Thats not conjecture and opinion, thats evidence. Is Phil Heath clearly on steroids or do you need him to fail a drug test first too? Also nice edit, your reply just said "byeeee" then you edited into this big load of shit after I'd liked it. You're a dickhead.


Its the other way around. Since Jones is clearly better than GSP you guys use his ped test failures as a way to put gsp as number one, despite being in denial about his own cheating. Its laughable
And that was the last time anyone ever heard from him
 
Ted Ehdhardt, Hendrick's manager:

"A week later, GSP's attorney asked 15 or 20 questions about how WADA is going to test for this and that, how are they going to move the tests, how are they going to do this, a ton of questions," Ehrhardt said. "He wanted to have predetermined times. It's not random if you know when they're coming. He had questions about what they test for, and that's another red flag. Why do you care what they test for? If you're clean, you're clean. We didn't ask one question ... We were just ready to test WADA, that's what we wanted to do, and he didn't want to."


Keith Kizer, head of the NSAC:

"I let them know how we were doing it for that fight, and I told them the same thing I told those parties," said Kizer. "I said 'we do testing through this lab.' They're using the WADA list. They're using the WADA protocols. Both guys will be tested for the exact same amount of time, and they'll be tested blood and urine. That's the extent of what we're going through here because we're not going to be giving away a road map."

Kizer clarified that everyone seemed happy with the new protocols at the end of the call: "They seemed fine with it. I answered questions they had. But as how often we'll test or how many tests or what exact tests we'll use, I'm not going to get into that. I'm not giving out that information to the people getting tested. And they seemed okay with that."

But then, questions began to hit Kizer's inbox: "I started getting all these other questions from Team GSP. I answered them and thought it was enough. Then I got more questions from GSP. Then it got to the point where I was like, 'look ...' Taking a step back, on the phone call, I said, 'if you don't want to do additional testing that's fine. This isn't an either/or situation. If you want us to do enhanced testing, this is how you do it. It will have no basis or bearing on whether you're doing other testing, as well.



For Kizer, it seems the questions were an attempt to determine their testing, something he eventually had enough of, "and then it got to the point where it was like, 'look, obviously it's pretty clear this isn't working. We'll do our testing on our dime, how we so choose, and let's forget about enhanced testing through the commission.'"

"It got to the point with, as I call it, '20 questions,' with some questions I already answered asking what specific tests were going to be done," Kizer said. "We're not going to tell these athletes what specific tests we're going to be doing, because then they know what specific tests you're not doing. You don't tell them the frequency. You don't tell them the tests, obviously. There were other questions that seemed very irrelevant".



https://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/11/4719572/georges-st-pierre-johny-hendricks-drug-testing-gsp-ufc

The whole e-mail chain is public and it proves Ted Ehdhardt and Kizer are both lying and exagerating the amount of questions GSP's camp asked. There was much, much fewer than 20 questions and they were all legit for someone willing to pay big bucks for extra testing for him and his opponent.
 
The whole e-mail chain is public and it proves Ted Ehdhardt and Kizer are both lying and exagerating the amount of questions GSP's camp asked. There was much, much fewer than 20 questions and they were all legit for someone willing to pay big bucks for extra testing for him and his opponent.

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A few facts about GSP and PEDs:
  • GSP started WADA certified anti-doping testing in early 2013 before anyone else in the UFC except for Roy "Big Country" Nelson as far as I can tell. Source

  • GSP quit the sport in large part because the UFC refused to implement testing. Source

  • GSP continued being tested after "retiring" and then joined the USADA pool a full year and a half ago. Source

  • Despite allegations that GSP's body is suspicious no medical authority has ever agreed to that claim. The only people who have made that claim are anonymous "experts" on forums online, BJ Penn and Nick Diaz. Both fighters did so after one-sided losses to GSP (including a humiliating TKO by corner stoppage for Penn). Source

  • GSP's body has remained pretty much identical since the beginning of his career. You can find footage of him in the Canadian Fighting Championship and compare it to this day. The only major changes have come since he's started doing gymnastic and then the changes have been minor and throughout these changes he's been under WADA level testing with USADA AND with VADA. source

  • As it stands, GSP is the fighter with the oldest blood samples collected on UFC roster. These samples are still retested as per WADA protocol using the best and newest ISTI methodologies for finding new drugs that might have been undetectable the first time. Using these methods WADA labs can go back as far as ten years in the past for example. source

  • In the last 5 years, GSP has been out of testing for only half a year in the middle of his retirement. [Addendum: I've not found conclusive proof that GSP ever left the VADA testing pool during his retirement], as such:

  • Overall throughout the span of his career, GSP remains the longest tested fighter in the UFC.

  • Overall throughout the span of his career, GSP remains one of the longest continuously tested without interruption fighter in MMA history.
Therefor, based solely on PROVEN FACTS and the preponderance of probabilities, GSP is the PROVEN cleanest athlete in the sport.

Common claims/rebuttals:
GSP is afraid of USADA / NSAC testing and using VADA instead because their less reliable and he controls when he's tested

  • The NSAC does not follow or conduct WADA level testing: it's testing is objectively less rigorous than USADA or VADA testing.

  • As per WADA guidelines, VADA conducts random testing and monitors fighter's movements.

  • VADA uses in many cases the same WADA certified labs as USADA to conduct WADA level testing. The samples are at the same place, only the shipping labels and client agencies receiving the results change.

  • VADA still offers objectively superior testing methodology to USADA. A known loophole in USADA testing is jurisdiction issues. The U.S. anti-doping agency (USADA) only has jurisdiction over the US. For other countries they must liaison with the local agency. As you can imagine this can be problematic (countries that hate the US, regions without a sister agency, cost of travelling to remote areas, etc.). VADA on the other hand has no issues finding athletes "hiding" abroad to dodge random tests since they send their own people and bill the athlete for every expense incurred during the testing process afterwards.
GSP has a HGH gut, TRT tits, Steroid shoulders and lats, etc.
If you look at GSP when he was starting out in the Canadian Fighting Championship, his physique was essentially the same as it is now. Shoulders, tits and gut included. Over a decade of fighting has aged him, he's no longer as cut and his shift from weightlifting to bodyweight fitness and gymnastics has changed his shape a bit, but he has not undergone any major physical change like most fighters on PEDs do at one point in their career (TRTVitor, Fitch, Bigg Rigg, Uberreem, Powerlifting Jones, etc.) or shown anything but a natural downward curve in his speed, cardio and endurance over the years.

Maybe he started early? When he was starting out, he lived in his parent's unfinished basement in what's essentially a backwater farming community. He spoke little to no English and he drove a rusted Pontiac Firebird every weekend to New York from his village to train BJJ and stayed in shitty youth hostels. He paid his BJJ tuition with rolls of change and worked part time as a garbage man and a club bouncer will studying full time at University. GSP was broke as fuck.

Up until his second fight in the UFC, GSP's fight career was a hobby according to most interviews he gave in the CFC and a bit later. He did Karate and dabbled in Jiu-jitsu, but he had yet to seriously study wrestling, join a real camp or make any kind of real money. At that point you have to ask yourself wwhy the hell would he spend what little money he has on designer PEDs instead of coaches, training, equipment or just plain gas and food at that point in his "career"? Occam's razor...

Then to now, GSP has aged a bit and has slowed down, but physically he's stayed virtually identical. Most of his recent wins have come through ringcraft, technical striking and smart ground work: all means that point to an experienced mind rather than an unnatural physique.

VADA is GSP's puppet/ favours him because he pays them/ uses GSP for promo so are biased.
Everyone who joins the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency "pays" them. That's how it works.

VADA has showcased on their website frontpage the portrait of EVERY SINGLE PRO ATHLETE that joins their program since their inception.

BJ Penn (one of the people behind the doping claims around GSP) and Big Country Nelson (the longest continuously tested without interruption fighter in MMA history). both have as much screen space dedicated to them as GSP...

These are the actual facts unless you are a shertard that believes some jpeg screenshots that have no context to prove your point as per the posters above.

He's said it many times.

1) UFC 158 pre-fight press conference:
The doping issue was raised when Nick Diaz and GSP got involved in a verbal exchange.

"I'm not on steroids," said St-Pierre. "I've never cheated in my life."

2) GSP said in a Maclean's article dated September 27, 2010 (Maclean's is the Canadian version of TIME magazine) "“I’ve never taken steroids in my life.”

3) "Believe me or not, I never took drugs in my life. I’ll take a lie detector test, I don’t care." - GSP
mmaweekly, dated August 24, 2014

And on and on.

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I think he talked a lot about cleaning up the sport, and he genuinely meant it.

He wanted stricter Drug testing and was supportive of USADA.

I believe he was clean for the latter half of his career, throughout his title reign.

When he spoke on the Joe Rogan Podcast he talked about how he hated PEDS and didn’t want to be forced to take them to compete and ruin his life and retirement and old age, and the negative effects they have had on friends of his.

I believe that GSP, Pre USADA used PEDs but didn’t want to become addicted or dependant on them, which is why he pushed to clean up the sport.

I don’t think he’s ever come out and said “I have never used PED’S”
What happened to consequences for baseless PED accusations? He doesn’t need to come out and issue a statement about something he didn’t do. It goes without saying.
 
The "eye test" is what idiots say when they have no proof. It's about as valid as claiming psychic powers.


Oh, whatever. This whole forum has concluded Israel is on the juice because of his titty. And they’re right.

It’s no different than GSP’s injection bumps/hgh gut/superhero physic. You just like GSP.
 
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The only "evidence" Shertards post related to GSP and juicing. You must be the kinda guy that accuses every bro in the gym who can bench more than you of roiding.
 
If GSP was on steroids he probably would have finished a lot more of his fights than he did.
 
did he cheat? or did he have a stupid cornerman who did?

He cheated.

Besides, most fighters have coaches/nutritionists who regulate what they’re putting in their body. I think there are plenty of instances where a fighter takes a banned substance because a coach or trainer gives it to them. Plausible deniability for them.

Not saying GSP or his coaches (at the time) did that (although Jackson/Wink aren’t exactly a clean camp).
 
Ted Ehdhardt, Hendrick's manager:

"A week later, GSP's attorney asked 15 or 20 questions about how WADA is going to test for this and that, how are they going to move the tests, how are they going to do this, a ton of questions," Ehrhardt said. "He wanted to have predetermined times. It's not random if you know when they're coming. He had questions about what they test for, and that's another red flag. Why do you care what they test for? If you're clean, you're clean. We didn't ask one question ... We were just ready to test WADA, that's what we wanted to do, and he didn't want to."


Keith Kizer, head of the NSAC:

"I let them know how we were doing it for that fight, and I told them the same thing I told those parties," said Kizer. "I said 'we do testing through this lab.' They're using the WADA list. They're using the WADA protocols. Both guys will be tested for the exact same amount of time, and they'll be tested blood and urine. That's the extent of what we're going through here because we're not going to be giving away a road map."

Kizer clarified that everyone seemed happy with the new protocols at the end of the call: "They seemed fine with it. I answered questions they had. But as how often we'll test or how many tests or what exact tests we'll use, I'm not going to get into that. I'm not giving out that information to the people getting tested. And they seemed okay with that."

But then, questions began to hit Kizer's inbox: "I started getting all these other questions from Team GSP. I answered them and thought it was enough. Then I got more questions from GSP. Then it got to the point where I was like, 'look ...' Taking a step back, on the phone call, I said, 'if you don't want to do additional testing that's fine. This isn't an either/or situation. If you want us to do enhanced testing, this is how you do it. It will have no basis or bearing on whether you're doing other testing, as well.



For Kizer, it seems the questions were an attempt to determine their testing, something he eventually had enough of, "and then it got to the point where it was like, 'look, obviously it's pretty clear this isn't working. We'll do our testing on our dime, how we so choose, and let's forget about enhanced testing through the commission.'"

"It got to the point with, as I call it, '20 questions,' with some questions I already answered asking what specific tests were going to be done," Kizer said. "We're not going to tell these athletes what specific tests we're going to be doing, because then they know what specific tests you're not doing. You don't tell them the frequency. You don't tell them the tests, obviously. There were other questions that seemed very irrelevant".



https://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/11/4719572/georges-st-pierre-johny-hendricks-drug-testing-gsp-ufc

are you implying this is evidence of something? If so, what is your implication? Just trying to clarify.
 
There are lots of reasons it could have happened. People just jump to conclusions.


There actually are not a lot of reasons.

He himself blamed it on marijuana use LMAO.


You’re awfully naive about this PED issue. Tell me, when a guy like Romero is cleared by the athletic commission or USADA, do you genuinely believe he was clean? Just checking your consistency.
 
Ted Ehdhardt, Hendrick's manager:

"A week later, GSP's attorney asked 15 or 20 questions about how WADA is going to test for this and that, how are they going to move the tests, how are they going to do this, a ton of questions," Ehrhardt said. "He wanted to have predetermined times. It's not random if you know when they're coming. He had questions about what they test for, and that's another red flag. Why do you care what they test for? If you're clean, you're clean. We didn't ask one question ... We were just ready to test WADA, that's what we wanted to do, and he didn't want to."


Keith Kizer, head of the NSAC:

"I let them know how we were doing it for that fight, and I told them the same thing I told those parties," said Kizer. "I said 'we do testing through this lab.' They're using the WADA list. They're using the WADA protocols. Both guys will be tested for the exact same amount of time, and they'll be tested blood and urine. That's the extent of what we're going through here because we're not going to be giving away a road map."

Kizer clarified that everyone seemed happy with the new protocols at the end of the call: "They seemed fine with it. I answered questions they had. But as how often we'll test or how many tests or what exact tests we'll use, I'm not going to get into that. I'm not giving out that information to the people getting tested. And they seemed okay with that."

But then, questions began to hit Kizer's inbox: "I started getting all these other questions from Team GSP. I answered them and thought it was enough. Then I got more questions from GSP. Then it got to the point where I was like, 'look ...' Taking a step back, on the phone call, I said, 'if you don't want to do additional testing that's fine. This isn't an either/or situation. If you want us to do enhanced testing, this is how you do it. It will have no basis or bearing on whether you're doing other testing, as well.



For Kizer, it seems the questions were an attempt to determine their testing, something he eventually had enough of, "and then it got to the point where it was like, 'look, obviously it's pretty clear this isn't working. We'll do our testing on our dime, how we so choose, and let's forget about enhanced testing through the commission.'"

"It got to the point with, as I call it, '20 questions,' with some questions I already answered asking what specific tests were going to be done," Kizer said. "We're not going to tell these athletes what specific tests we're going to be doing, because then they know what specific tests you're not doing. You don't tell them the frequency. You don't tell them the tests, obviously. There were other questions that seemed very irrelevant".



https://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/11/4719572/georges-st-pierre-johny-hendricks-drug-testing-gsp-ufc
So educating yourself is now a sign of guilt? Wanting to know what's tested for means your doping? Kizer must be use to dealing with absolute meat heads if hes assuming your guilty for asking questions? Its absurd
 
There actually are not a lot of reasons.

He himself blamed it on marijuana use LMAO.


You’re awfully naive about this PED issue. Tell me, when a guy like Romero is cleared by the athletic commission or USADA, do you genuinely believe he was clean? Just checking your consistency.
A doctor literally said that there are a lot of different things that could have caused it.
 
As someone who has been labled a gsp detractor, I'll be as objective as possible on this subject. I do not think Georges ever used. He has had a consistent physique throughout his entire career that was cut short at 32 based on a horrific beat down by a 70% hendricks. Georges never had injuries assosicated with ped aside from groin tear which is actually very common due to the growth of muscle in the area which is unnatural without performance enhancers. I remember nomar garciaparra had a similar injury and it basically ended his career and it was revealed that he juiced and groin growth and inevitable tear was a byproduct.
I think Georges is squeaky clean. Which makes it even more egregious that he ducked Anderson Silva in his prime and waited four years to fight a one eyed cyclops who was 100% clean and fought with a ton of injuries himself.
 
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