International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. V

[kflo]

My definition of the word "targeted mass killings of civilians" is accurate. Yours is whatever you want it to mean.

It’s understandable that you’re confused. They target Hamas. Who of course try to look like civilians.

 

[kflo]

Why would any rational person surrender when what likely awaits them is the gallows?

What is in it for Hamas or the Palestinian people if they unconditionally surrender? Whats the cost benefit on that?

For the Palestinian people they are no longer ruled by a terror org that ensures they are forever victims?

 

[ferrisjso]

For the Palestinian people they are no longer ruled by a terror org that ensures they are forever victims?

You still do not seem to acknoweldge the existence of the West Bank.

That argument can not be made when the West Bank exists.

Also govts cannot be terrorist organizations(and I consider the Likud many things but a terrorist organization is not one of them either) and you seem to be acknowledging Hamas is a govt.

 

[kflo]

You still do not seem to acknoweldge the existence of the West Bank.

That argument can not be made when the West Bank exists.

Also govts cannot be terrorist organizations(and I consider the Likud many things but a terrorist organization is not one of them either) and you seem to be acknowledging Hamas is a govt.

I addressed the West Bank many times. You refuse to acknowledge it. Hamas supporter.

 

[ferrisjso]

I addressed the West Bank many times. You refuse to acknowledge it. Hamas supporter.

No you keep tiptoing around the fact the West Bank did exactly what you're asking Gaza to do and pre 10/7th the West Bankans were even worse off for it. Yet you keep asking the Gazans to do what the West Bank did as if this will somehow get them shown mercy when you know full well this is bs. So no you have not addressed the west bank. And you won't you'll do some song and dance about how I am changing the topic you arbitrarily think you get to determine.

 

[kflo]

No you keep tiptoing around the fact the West Bank did exactly what you're asking Gaza to do and pre 10/7th the West Bankans were even worse off for it. Yet you keep asking the Gazans to do what the West Bank did as if this will somehow get them shown mercy when you know full well this is bs. So no you have not addressed the west bank. And you won't you'll do some song and dance about how I am changing the topic you arbitrarily think you get to determine.

Israel completely withdrew from
Gaza. That’s a fact. It’s not the West Bank. There are no settlements in Gaza. Keep pretending it’s the same.

 

[Strychnine]

 

[kflo]

Hamas fans don’t believe any of it. They don’t care either.

 

[Rholk]

So then flood the tunnels. But be ready to deal with 2M people without a land to set foot on. Thousands of them who have became cripples in the last 2 months. That's the reality.

Maybe it's time for a deal and a ceasefire don't you think. The freaking destruction and human lives toll is just too much. There is already no more northern Gaza. It's gone

You're ready to let it unfold until there is nothing left of the Gaza strip at all ? The human cost will be a lot higher when it stops and we count bodies under the rubble.

This needs to stop at some point, it's nothing but collective punishment against civilians and the whole world except the people that live and breath IDF can see.

Edit: my point is the solutions you're listed are all insanely costly in human lives. A ceasefire and political solution needs to happen. But in good faith on both sides. And if hamas needs to go then netanyahu right wing government and the zionist religious party deputies need to go too

I dont think anyone is opposed to a ceasefire. But this war started for a reason.
There was a ceasefire up to October 7th. Hamas has shown it can't be left to rule Gaza.
So no i don't expect the Israelis to suddenly walk away from this, with Hamas still in control.
Nor do i expect Hamas to suddenly accept defeat.
And adding in conditions like the removal of the Israeli government isn't going to help in reaching a ceasefire.

 

[Hog-train]

noone criticizing Israel would allow a group like Hamas to govern next to them. Or accept Hamas governing themselves. They are only there to destroy Israel and ensure Palestinians remain “refugees” until Israel is destroyed. And that’s acceptable to many of you.

Except that's exactly what Israel did by helping to fund Hamas for years.

 

[Strychnine]

Hamas fans don’t believe any of it. They don’t care either.

Yeah, my older brother said those were an absolutely "NO-GO" when he was in Iraq and Afghanistan. You get close and you're chopped meat.

Boom.

 

[MDoza]

What should they do about the terrorist?

Prevent terrorist attacks. Do it without US aid.

They had all the intelligence knowing the attack was coming, and no one did anything to stop it.

Israel has the Iron Dome and fleets of F35’s, fighting against kids shooting tomato can rockets. They can protect themselves just fine if they chose to.

 

[kflo]

Except that's exactly what Israel did by helping to fund Hamas for years.

People love this lie. They allowed funds from Qatar to go to the governing body of Gaza to avoid humanitarian crisis. Had they not you’d accuse them of war crimes anyway.

And of course, they changed the game on 10/7.

 

[kflo]

Prevent terrorist attacks. Do it without US aid.

They had all the intelligence knowing the attack was coming, and no one did anything to stop it.

Israel has the Iron Dome and fleets of F35’s, fighting against kids shooting tomato can rockets. They can protect themselves just fine if they chose to.

That’s just a pathetic response. Yeah they want to murder everyone but just let them be and try to stop them if they try.

 

[ferrisjso]

Israel completely withdrew from
Gaza. That’s a fact. It’s not the West Bank. There are no settlements in Gaza. Keep pretending it’s the same.

The point just flew around your head.

 

[Hog-train]

People love this lie. They allowed funds from Qatar to go to the governing body of Gaza to avoid humanitarian crisis. Had they not you’d accuse them of war crimes anyway.

And of course, they changed the game on 10/7.

Yea BS. It wasn't only once, but multiple times over the years. You're naive as hell if you think that money didn't go to Hamas.

And even the media in Israel criticizes Netanyahu for this.

 

[kflo]

Yea BS. It wasn't only once, but multiple times over the years. You're naive as hell if you think that money didn't go to Hamas.

And even the media in Israel criticizes Netanyahu for this.

I said the money went from Qatar to Hamas. The governing body of Gaza. Had Israel kept the money you’d accuse them of war crimes. Fact.

And yes some would have accepted a humanitarian crisis.

 

[kflo]

The point just flew around your head.

You’re only points are to support terror.

 

[MDoza]

That’s just a pathetic response. Yeah they want to murder everyone but just let them be and try to stop them if they try.

Whereas “just kill everyone”, is a better solution? Proportionality doesn’t matter? Capability doesn’t matter?

If Israel had done ANYTHING to try to stop the attack, it would be a different story.

Based on all the intelligence, Israel (and the US) knew about it and let it happen.

 

[Hog-train]

I said the money went from Qatar to Hamas. The governing body of Gaza. Had Israel kept the money you’d accuse them of war crimes. Fact.

And yes some would have accepted a humanitarian crisis.

That's what I'm talking about. This is not some secret. This is openly debated in Jewish media and Netanyahu's political opponents have criticized him many times over this.

Netanyahu allowed money to flow to Hamas for over a decade. Billions. The payments were part of a string of decisions by Israeli political leaders, military officers and intelligence officials — all based on the fundamentally flawed assessment that Hamas was neither interested in nor capable of a large-scale attack.

For years, Israeli intelligence officers even escorted a Qatari official into Gaza, where he doled out money from suitcases filled with millions of dollars.

As far back as December 2012, Mr. Netanyahu told the prominent Israeli journalist Dan Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Mr. Margalit, in an interview, said that Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.

So stop making excuses for an OBVIOUS BLUNDER by Israel.