International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. V

[Rholk]

Small reminder

Total seperation is going to be the only awnser, after the IDF finishes the clearing campaign.

Israeli leaders: War to go on until Hamas defeated, ‘with or without’ world’s okay

Netanyahu, FM Cohen voice defiance * Biden meets families of US hostages, assures he’s doing ‘everything’ to free them * Family of hostage Tal Chaimi told he was killed on Oct. 7

www.timesofisrael.com

Despite what our resident idiot LARPing as a general is saying, israel isn't quite feeling the pressure yet. Guess they realise that a few (largely predictable) world leaders publicly criticizing Israel, while doing nothing behind the scenes won't amount to much in the real world.
When this is over, they'll sacrifice Bibi, who was doomed since the October 7th attack and that'll be it.
The Arab/Gulf nations will continue to completely normalise relations with Israel.
They tend to have a real threat in the region that they are very much aware of.

 

[Koya]

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why do you sidestep the fact that they raised a refugee camp and killed an isolated unarmed laying down civilian teenager in cold blood ?

Can't condemn anything israel does because it goes against your creed ?

 

[Hog-train]

The Arabs didn’t own the other 90%. I think you’re directly quoting Dave Smith from the Joe Rogan podcast where he misrepresented that fact and many others.

No not quoting that. I've said this from the earliest Hamas thread.

Yes the Arabs didn't PRIVATELY own 90% of the other land, but they still held more than the Jewish people. A bulk of it was public land. But the "public land" was still lived and worked on by Palestinians. Below is a survey of Palestinian land ownership in 1945.

The fact of the matter is, 80% of the Palestinians were dispossessed of their homes and never allowed to return. That's just a straight up fact.

They got fucked.

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Image 1945 hosted on ImgBB

ibb.co

 

[kflo]

I don't know what you mean with antisemitic and what it has to do with saying that some people are morally evil.

Most Jews, right?

 

[Corona]

Just look at these videos, the protestors are all young, white people. It is like these freaks are activated by any dogwhistle where they see a few tiktop clips, and then they are off. It is always the same demographic of people. Should be charged with conspiracy and terroristic actions. Reports of at least two full school buses with children. Imagine being a parent and you hear your child is stuck on a bridge by protestors supporting a terrorist organization



they even use the exact same chant every time, just changing the subject



there is also a clip of a truck driving over one or two of these people (dunno if safe to post here), and you can clearly see they are mostly, if not all, the LGBTQanon brigade

It’s always a bunch of wiener looking white peoole doing this shit. Glad I didn’t have to drive downtown or to the west side today.

 

[fishNjits]

You only see things from the Jewish point of view. Try to see things from others point of view for once.

When the UN Partition Plan of 1947 was recommended, Jewish people only owned 10% of the land at the time and much less percentage of the population. But somehow got awarded 55% of the land. The Jewish people of course said yes to this immediately.

The Arab Palestinians understandable said hell no. Would you have said yes to an outside power arbitrarily doing this if you were a Palestinian? Of course not.

Then Jewish militia groups started forcefully kicking out Arab Palestinians. Then Arabs from other countries starts war in 1948, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians lose their homes and can never return.

The Palestinians got fucked and I don't know how anyone can argue that.

1) Sounds like your citing the first of the "Four Maps"...the one that shows "Israeli Settlements" and "Palestinian Land". Of the 55% of the land awarded to the Jews in the original partition, well more than half of that reflected the Negev desert where the Bedouin roamed nomadically and were non-Palestinians as we understand the term today. So no, not land owned by the Palestinians.

2) Jews made up 1/3 of the total population in 1947. It was well understood that over one million Jews would have to be settled from Europe. Only a complete asshole would expect them to go back to their former homes.

3) Too simplistic. Between the adoption of Resolution 181 (II) there were multiple attacks by both sides. The first known attack after adoption was actually Arabs on Jews. Not surprisingly, the Arab High Committee said it was in retaliation for an attack on Arabs 10 days earlier. Of course, the Yishuv said that was in retaliation for something earlier...and she told two friends...and so on and so on and so on...

4)

 

[meauneau]

You're making things up.
Or you've experienced that one time and now you stereotype all Jews.
Either way, you are racist.

I've experience it a few times plus what I see on SM and interviews of Israelis
Even non religious Jews feel they are special
The country itself is racist towards black jews and anyone who isn't Jewish
They you have the majority of Israelis supporting the bombing of Gaza and the killing of civilians
Their politicians calling Palestinians animals
Etc
Etc

If pointing out facts makes you think I'm racist then that's your problem

 

[fishNjits]

I've been on holiday in a few places and come across a few groups straight from Israel

But they do feel they are special because they are the protected class and they know it. You get into a fight with one, not knowing he's a jew, and it becomes an antisemitic attack and added to the record by the ADL.

Meauneau is absolutely right! Just this morning, Gary subbed me with a Kimura, and I reported that anti-Semitic bastard to the ADL!
/s

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

No not quoting that. I've said this from the earliest Hamas thread.

Yes the Arabs didn't PRIVATELY own 90% of the other land, but they still held more than the Jewish people. A bulk of it was public land. But the "public land" was still lived and worked on by Palestinians. Below is a survey of Palestinian land ownership in 1945.

The fact of the matter is, 80% of the Palestinians were dispossessed of their homes and never allowed to return. That's just a straight up fact.

They got fucked.

1945 hosted at ImgBB

Image 1945 hosted on ImgBB

ibb.co

Would the Palestinian Arabs have taken an 80 - 20 split in their favor back then? Or did they not want any part of the land to be held for a Jewish state.

 

[fishNjits]

Even non religious Jews feel they are special


If pointing out facts makes you think I'm racist then that's your problem

Meaneau is right again!

I was one of those unfortunates born to upper middle-class professionals and nurtured in an environment of learning, art and a socio-religious culture steeped in more than 2000 years of Talmudic tradition. Not everyone is lucky enough to have been raised in a whiskey tango trailer park by a bow-legged female whose sole qualification for motherhood is a womb that happened to catch a sperm of a passing truck driver.

 

[meauneau]

Most Jews, right?

Most Israeli Jews, yes. Anyone who supports Israel actually. Is there a problem with saying that?

Would I be called a meaningless word if I said most Muslims are morally evil if they believe that non Muslims are animals and should be killed?

Or are you offended only when the word Jew is used?

 

[cincymma79]

why do you sidestep the fact that they raised a refugee camp and killed an isolated unarmed laying down civilian teenager in cold blood ?

Can't condemn anything israel does because it goes against your creed ?

You said Hamas wasn’t in West Bank. They are. So my only response to your point would be that’s blatantly false and you’re attempting to move the goalposts, so I’ll respond with you like farts

 

[meauneau]

Meauneau is absolutely right! Just this morning, Gary subbed me with a Kimura, and I reported that anti-Semitic bastard to the ADL!
/s

But it's true, the ADL will record anything involving a Jew as antisemitism, hence the meaninglessness of the word.

A road rage incident happens and it turns out of the parties was a Jew, then this goes straight into the records of the ADL. Then you get those BS numbers they use to make themselves look like victims.

 

[Hog-train]

Would the Palestinian Arabs have taken an 80 - 20 split in their favor back then? Or did they not want any part of the land to be held for a Jewish state.

Hypothetical speculation and irrelevant.

1) Sounds like your citing the first of the "Four Maps"...the one that shows "Israeli Settlements" and "Palestinian Land". Of the 55% of the land awarded to the Jews in the original partition, well more than half of that reflected the Negev desert where the Bedouin roamed nomadically and were non-Palestinians as we understand the term today. So no, not land owned by the Palestinians.

That's irrelevant. Why should Jewish people get awarded a greater percentage of the land completely arbitrarily?

2) Jews made up 1/3 of the total population in 1947. It was well understood that over one million Jews would have to be settled from Europe. Only a complete asshole would expect them to go back to their former homes.

While I have complete sympathy for all the Jewish people that had to fell WW2, those people are not the responsibility of the Arab Palestinians that got displaced. Why should hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have to lose their homes to make room for another displaced people?

 

[meauneau]

You said Hamas wasn’t in West Bank. They are. So my only response to your point would be that’s blatantly false and you’re attempting to move the goalposts, so I’ll respond with you like farts

I would say this is typical IDF/Israeli behaviour that you are showing here. Trying to deflect and derail in order to avoid the truth.

Israeli terrorists murder unarmed children and instead of condemning these terrorist attacks you defend them by diverting attention to other things. They teach you this in the yeshiva?

 

[kflo]

Most Israeli Jews, yes. Anyone who supports Israel actually. Is there a problem with saying that?

Would I be called a meaningless word if I said most Muslims are morally evil if they believe that non Muslims are animals and should be killed?

Or are you offended only when the word Jew is used?

yes, you're a raging anti-semite.

i'm offended at your thoughts about jews. you know nothing about them. and yet you hate them. you're misinformed and use your misinformation to hate them. it's classic hate.

 

[fishNjits]

But it's true, the ADL will record anything involving a Jew as antisemitism, hence the meaninglessness of the word.

A road rage incident happens and it turns out of the parties was a Jew, then this goes straight into the records of the ADL. Then you get those BS numbers they use to make themselves look like victims.

Really? You know this how?

To be frank, I wouldn't even know how to call the ADL. Does the ADL have staffers that search all police reports looking for people with Jewish last names?

Is there an ADL office in my state? Fuck me if I know.

Just stop.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Hypothetical speculation and irrelevant.

You brought up the percentage of land each side was proposed so it very much is relevant. The Arabs rejected the Peel Commissions proposal as well, which was around 80-20. I don't think they wanted any part of the land, no matter how small to be part of a Jewish state, it was non negotiable. As you stated, in 1948, 5 Arab nations intervened and attacked Israel, it was a gamble, but one worth taking in their eyes, and they lost.

 

[meauneau]

yes, you're a raging anti-semite.

i'm offended at your thoughts about jews. you know nothing about them. and yet you hate them. you're misinformed and use your misinformation to hate them. it's classic hate.

Again misrepresenting to make yourself look like the victim. I don't hate jews. I hate the morally evil jews who support Israel/IDF terrorists. Just like I hate morally evil musims who support ISIS. I'm cool with the orthodox jews who oppose Israel for example.

So once again you are proven wrong and a liar.

 

[meauneau]

Really? You know this how?

To be frank, I wouldn't even know how to call the ADL. Does the ADL have staffers that search all police reports looking for people with Jewish last names?

Is there an ADL office in my state? Fuck me if I know.

Just stop.

Report an Antisemitic, Bias or Discriminatory Incident

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Also watch this documentary to educate you on the matter: Defamation

Defamation (film) - Wikipedia

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The film examines whether anti-Semitic has become an all purpose label for anyone who criticizes Israel and the idea that some Jews' preoccupation with the past—i.e., the Holocaust—is preventing progress today.[1] Shamir decided to make Defamation after a critic of an earlier film accused him of antisemitism.[1]

Filmmaker Yoav Shamir states in the beginning of the film that as an Israeli he has never experienced antisemitism himself and wants to learn more about it since references to antisemitism in countries all over the world are common in the Israeli media.