International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. IV

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you posted lies and fake news, yet I am the one deflecting? you sure about that one?

deflecting/not an argument

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carrying on..

Biden sold us out. this is why Netanyahu gets away with so much.

 

[Samjj]

deflecting/not an argument

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carrying on..

Biden sold us out. this is why Netanyahu gets away with so much.

you're not a bright one, ah? My accusation to you was that post false propaganda, lies, and fake news.

In this same post you post a video suggesting that Biden's favor for Israel is a result of Jewish (Israeli) money being funneled directly into his pocket. moving on, you're too transparent.

 

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you're not a bright one, ah? My accusation to you was that post false propaganda, lies, and fake news.

In this same post you post a video suggesting that Biden's favor for Israel is a result of Jewish (Israeli) money being funneled directly into his pocket. moving on, you're too transparent.

I love that you think your hurt feelings are valid in any of this.

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things to wonder, two Israelis:

 

[Plastikman_Eire]

I suppose it doesn't matter to you that you're irrefutably incorrect.

It is very much within the power of Hamas to end the deaths to Palestinian civilians. They could return all the hostages, and surrender. They choose not for the same reason they place headquarters & military supplies in hospitals, and otherwise hide there as well as among other civilian centers: precisely because they want Palestinian civilians to die.

They are the primary culprit, and the group chiefly responsible. Every Palestinian death is on their hands. Every child, every woman, every non-combatant. Hamas is to blame.

Why don't they end it all? They know they can't win. They should surrender if they had a scrap of moral decency. But they hate. That's all they do...is hate. They are obsessed with the destruction of Israel and the annihilation of the Jews. They have zero interest in the "liberation" of the Gazans, or the establishment of a sovereign Palestinian state.

So more will die. Because of Hamas, and only because of Hamas.

You might be right, but based on some of the actions of the Israeli leadership that ive read about, I'm not sure how eager they are to get those hostages back quickly?

The hospital command centre appears to have been a myth, no? The footage Israel released post raid certainly appeared to be laughably staged.

There is going to be plenty of time to point fingers, and to lay blame at the feet of Hamas etc, but right now, it is Israeli weapons and seige tactics that are killing civilians.

 

[Rholk]

Some poster in here was claiming that there IDF helicopters were responsible for alot of civilians deaths on oct. 7th.
Once again, fake news:

Israel Police slams ‘Haaretz’ claim IDF helicopter may have harmed civilians on Oct. 7

An aerial picture shows the abandoned site of the weekend assault by Hamas terrorists on the Supernova music festival near Kibbutz Reim in the Negev desert, southern Israel, October 10, 2023. (Jack GUEZ / AFP)

The Israel Police issues a statement reacting to a claim in Haaretz that an IDF helicopter that arrived at the site of the Supernova festival near Re’im on October 7 may have killed some Israeli civilians.
The Haaretz article in Hebrew cites an unnamed Israel Police official saying that its investigation of the incident found that an IDF helicopter at the site that was firing at terrorists “apparently harmed a few partygoers who were in the area.”
A police statement says that its investigation focused only and solely on police activity, and not any IDF activity, and therefore did not provide “any indication about the harm of civilians due to aerial activity there.”

The statement calls on news outlets to “take responsibility for their publications and only base stories on official sources.”
Elements of the Haaretz article were taken widely out of context on social media and used to blame Israel for hundreds of civilian deaths on October 7, none of which has any basis in fact and in extensive reporting about the massacre.

Israel Police slams ‘Haaretz’ claim IDF helicopter may have harmed civilians on Oct. 7

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www.timesofisrael.com

 

[HereticBD]

There is going to be plenty of time to point fingers, and to lay blame at the feet of Hamas etc, but right now, it is Israeli weapons and seige tactics that are killing civilians.

Which would stop, the second Hamas surrendered and released the hostages. This is war. The winning side doesn't surrender to the losing side, because they feel real bad about winning. Every Palestinian death is on Hamas, and will be until they surrender. That's how it goes in war. Getting your ass kicked and your people are suffering, with no chance of turning your fortunes around? You suck it up and surrender, and save what's left of your people. If you don't do that, the winning side keeps attacking until they do, or they're dead.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

love the circular "stop the genocide - well hamas should surrender first" silliness disguised as intellectual debate.

scraping the barrel.

 

[SandisLL]

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[OneOfOne]

How ironic. And LMAO @ benign opinions. Hilarious.

Of course you have no actual response

 

[scoopj]

Some poster in here was claiming that there IDF helicopters were responsible for alot of civilians deaths on oct. 7th.
Once again, fake news:

Israel Police slams ‘Haaretz’ claim IDF helicopter may have harmed civilians on Oct. 7

Israel Police slams ‘Haaretz’ claim IDF helicopter may have harmed civilians on Oct. 7

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www.timesofisrael.com

Think that was @Phisher

Absurd claim on its very face.

 

[7even]

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[kflo]

Of course you have no actual response

It’s really not warranted.

 

[Zazen]

love the circular "stop the genocide - well hamas should surrender first" silliness disguised as intellectual debate.

scraping the barrel.

You can’t really make criticisms like this and then offer up nothing. You make this same snarky comment at least once a week so aren’t you doing the same thing by being repetitive?

 

[Andy Capp]

Of course you have no actual response

Just because you didn't understand what I wrote doesn't mean I didn't give you a response, you illiterate tool. But just because that fact escaped your notice by ironically asserting it does, it's worth explaining in more detail in the hope you might learn something.

I expect it to fall on deaf ears, honestly, but here goes; just remember, you asked for it; you got it, Pontiac.

Let's take holocaust denial as one of the simpler examples. Say you have a person who was misled and misinformed and came to a misguided conclusion about something as an expected consequence. Like say, perhaps that what actually happened historically wasn't nearly as awful as you hear from other people, being fed to you by someone you trusted, after which you're shown heaps of clear factual evidence that proves beyond doubt it was every bit as bad as you have been taught in school.

Do you: change your opinion and accept that you were lied to by that other person?
Or: brush off the mountain of evidence in front of you and discard it in favor of that one person's unsubstantiated claims?

If you are talking about 1946, you could perhaps be forgiven for choosing the latter for various reasons I will not detail here.

Nowadays, there is no excuse for willful ignorance of the fact that millions of Jews died at the hands of the Nazis other than plain ol' everyday antisemitism.

Ditto all the other bullshit you mentioned. They're not the fucking same as some made up conspiracy that can't be proven true or false because there's no evidence to support either conclusion.

Now, get off the internet and experience some real life, like say, a library, for the love of god.

 

[Andy Capp]

It’s really not warranted.

Please see my response immediately above for an entry from the "Be Careful what You Wish for" desk.

 

[Deleted member 267581]

It’s hilarious that raging anti semites like yourself will find the single article from the times of Israel that they think supports their anti semitism and will dismiss anything else from an Israeli source. And lol at you claiming some sort of e wins here.

Lol should I be calling you a raging anti Palestinian

 

[Hog-train]

Being against thousands of civilian deaths including children = anti-Semite. Glad I got that clarified.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Just because you didn't understand what I wrote doesn't mean I didn't give you a response, you illiterate tool. But just because that fact escaped your notice by ironically asserting it does, it's worth explaining in more detail in the hope you might learn something.

I expect it to fall on deaf ears, honestly, but here goes; just remember, you asked for this.

Let's take holocaust denial as one of the simpler examples. Say you have a person who was misled and misinformed and came to a misguided conclusion about something as an expected consequence. Like say, perhaps that what actually happened historically wasn't nearly as awful as you hear from other people, being fed to you by someone you trusted, after which you're shown heaps of clear factual evidence that proves beyond doubt it was every bit as bad as you have been taught in school.

Do you: change your opinion and accept that you were lied to by that other person?
Or: brush off the mountain of evidence in front of you and discard it in favor of that one person's unsubstantiated claims?

If you are talking about 1946, you could perhaps be forgiven for choosing the latter for various reasons I will not detail here.

Nowadays, there is no excuse for willful ignorance of the fact that millions of Jews died at the hands of the Nazis other than plain ol' everyday antisemitism.

Ditto all the other bullshit you mentioned. They're not the fucking same as some made up conspiracy that can't be proven true or false because there's no evidence to support either conclusion.

Now, get off the internet and experience some real life, like say, a library, for the love of god.

I have now liked and agreed with numerous posts of yours in this thread. I never thought we'd see the day! It's like when they downed guns in no man's land in the war and had a game of football and shared cigarettes for a bit!

 

[Fox by the Sea]

You can’t really make criticisms like this and then offer up nothing. You make this same snarky comment at least once a week so aren’t you doing the same thing by being repetitive?

shut the fuck up.

 

[Rholk]

More evidence coming from the hospital

I'm sure the BBC will claim they saw an IDF soldier with a shovel digging these tunnels any moment now