Gustafsson beat Cormier…

[Mike]

God damn how many more years or even decades are people gonna glaze this dude for looking good in defeat?

Surely far beyond my mere mortal lifespan. 500 years from now in colonies on mars dudes will be like he ALMOST beat guys that actually accomplished something in their life. On several occasions!

The Al Bundy of MMA. Wait I figured out why you guys worship him so much.

 

[RonDante]

God damn how many more years or even decades are people gonna glaze this dude for looking good in defeat?

Surely far beyond my mere mortal lifespan. 500 years from now in colonies on mars dudes will be like he ALMOST beat guys that actually accomplished something in their life. On several occasions!

The Al Bundy of MMA. Wait I figured out why you guys worship him so much.

Literally said at the bottom of my first post that he clearly lost to Jones and you can’t find him 3 rounds but okay

 

[Mike]

Literally said at the bottom of my first post that he clearly lost to Jones and you can’t find him 3 rounds but okay

It's just crazy to me that 5 billion years later people still gotta stretch this guys career. He's not Mr. Fantastic. It's ok. He came up short when it counted.

That's not an insult. Many more never get that far.

 

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49-46 DC
The only round Gus won was the 3rd.
The only reason he was even competitive with Jon in the first fight was because Jon overlooked him.
In a rematch he would not have beaten Rumble.

Every few months it seems like y'all trying to rewrite his history and make it seem better than it really was.
Gus gets more credit for "almost winning" than any other fighter in history.

 

[Dionysian]

I forget which rounds but I scored it 48-47 DC back in the day / was a fan of both guys

Close fight

 

[RonDante]

49-46 DC
The only round Gus won was the 3rd.

He landed the better strikes in the 2nd, he cut dc and he took dc down.

He landed the better strikes and more strikes in the 4th.

The only thing DC has on gus in those rounds is moving forward

 

[RonDante]

It's just crazy to me that 5 billion years later people still gotta stretch this guys career. He's not Mr. Fantastic. It's ok. He came up short when it counted.

That's not an insult. Many more never get that far.

I think it’s cause people hate jones

 

[Mike]

I think it’s cause people hate jones

For as controversial as he is Jones has a decent fan base on here. Greatness tends to do that asterisks or not. Cheating is cheating but I'm not a wizard I can't unsee the things I saw him do to people for a decade plus.

 

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…and the reason that opinion isn’t popular is jones hate, media scores and dc moving forward.

I think gus beat dc. In the 2nd round, in my opinion, he landed the better shots, he cut dc open, he took dc down. The scoring back was a bit different but still had effective striking as the number one criteria, but was followed by effective grappling instead of being equal.

Gus 100% won the 3rd round. there is no argument dc won the 3rd, and if you think he did you’re extremely biased or just think whoever lands more total strikes should always win the round. He was an inch from unconsciousness. No argument

The 4th wasn’t nearly as close as i see people say it was. Gus landed more strikes, and bigger strikes. A teep that folded dc, two body kick that clearly affected him, jabs snapping his head back the whole round, good 1-2s, multiple big knees, a specific 1-2 that wobbled him slightly. Maybe 1 or 2 strikes dc landed in that round stunned gus, but not nearly as many that Gus landed. Even when gus was turned around and couldn’t even see the punch coming, he took the punch without getting wobbled, only when dc illegally punched him in the lower neck did he show a sign he was hit. But becuase DC walked forward getting beat up, he wins the round?

The only reason the media scores were so lopsided are becuase DC moved forward, and because some insane people scored the 3rd for DC. But again, if you’re getting effectively outstruck, and in the 2nd also getting outgrappled, you are not winning. And relying on media scores for support is just appealing to the masses of “journalists” that themselves don’t know how to score fights

And the fact the judges gave DC the fight becuase of the 3rd round is insane to me and should be insane to you too. Talk about clinch strikes all you want, gus never went down, was never out on his feet, nothing. DC was an inch from unconsciousness

Gus did not beat jones and there’s no argument for it. He won, in my opinion, round 3 only. But because everyone hates jones and everyone loves dc (partly becuase of jones), these fights get flipped in peoples minds somehow

He wasn't effectively out striking Gus. DC was effectively out striking Gus causing Gus to disengage by turning around and literally running away from him.
And moving forward in fights is extremely important. This is a fight. Both guys should be moving forward to attack each other. If you're a counter striker and you don't stop your opponent you deserve to lose a decision because moving backwards in a fight is never a good look

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Alex certainly had his day coasting off "almost" beating top guys.

 

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He landed the better strikes in the 2nd, he cut dc and he took dc down.

He landed the better strikes and more strikes in the 4th.

The only thing DC has on gus in those rounds is moving forward

Moving forward important and the first 2 things you mentioned are not facts but rather your opinion.

 

[JustBleed69]

Nah, DC got it done cleanly.
Gus did get screwed against Jones though.

 

[RonDante]

He wasn't effectively out striking Gus. DC was effectively out striking Gus causing Gus to disengage by turning around and literally running away from him.
And moving forward in fights is extremely important. This is a fight. Both guys should be moving forward to attack each other. If you're a counter striker and you don't stop your opponent you deserve to lose a decision because moving backwards in a fight is never a good look

The scoring even then was effective striking first. If Gus was getting rocked and then running away it would be different, but he wasn’t. He was walking backwards while hitting DC and it continued like this for most of the fight. He was outstriking DC.

Moving forward important and the first 2 things you mentioned are not facts but rather your opinion.

Again, not important and yes, my opinion but opinion can be substituted for interpretation of the facts. I see gus landing multiple strikes that clearly affected dc more than dc affected him in 2 and 4, 4 especially, including a big kick to the body that caused dc to hunch over

 

[RonDante]

Nah, DC got it done cleanly.
Gus did get screwed against Jones though.

DCs saving grace is moving forward, which again was not the main method of scoring fights back then, and jones outstruck gus in all but one round, including by 10 in the round where gus landed a takedown for 10 seconds. You cannot give gus 3 rounds against jones

 

[Fight Professor]

Gus beat Rumble Johnson... don't go online and show me the knockout... if you aren't biased you no 100% for a fact Gus won that fight.

He got headbutted and should have won by DQ.

 

[joy2day]

What 3 rounds could you give Gus in the Jones fight to say he won?

This isn’t a poor Gus thread, if you like Gus that’s fine but the point of this thread is just the fact that I believe Gus beat DC, not that he beat Jones, which I don’t think can be argued in good faith

I have no idea what you are talking about as far as the thread goes. I never said I liked or disliked anyone. So, you disagree with my opinion? OK.

 

[TRUS8888]

lol strange to bring this up now but I can remember watching it at the time.

If Gus had gotten the decision it would've been accepted, but he didn't.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

…and the reason that opinion isn’t popular is jones hate, media scores and dc moving forward.

I think gus beat dc. In the 2nd round, in my opinion, he landed the better shots, he cut dc open, he took dc down. The scoring back was a bit different but still had effective striking as the number one criteria, but was followed by effective grappling instead of being equal.

Gus 100% won the 3rd round. there is no argument dc won the 3rd, and if you think he did you’re extremely biased or just think whoever lands more total strikes should always win the round. He was an inch from unconsciousness. No argument

The 4th wasn’t nearly as close as i see people say it was. Gus landed more strikes, and bigger strikes. A teep that folded dc, two body kick that clearly affected him, jabs snapping his head back the whole round, good 1-2s, multiple big knees, a specific 1-2 that wobbled him slightly. Maybe 1 or 2 strikes dc landed in that round stunned gus, but not nearly as many that Gus landed. Even when gus was turned around and couldn’t even see the punch coming, he took the punch without getting wobbled, only when dc illegally punched him in the lower neck did he show a sign he was hit. But becuase DC walked forward getting beat up, he wins the round?

The only reason the media scores were so lopsided are becuase DC moved forward, and because some insane people scored the 3rd for DC. But again, if you’re getting effectively outstruck, and in the 2nd also getting outgrappled, you are not winning. And relying on media scores for support is just appealing to the masses of “journalists” that themselves don’t know how to score fights

And the fact the judges gave DC the fight becuase of the 3rd round is insane to me and should be insane to you too. Talk about clinch strikes all you want, gus never went down, was never out on his feet, nothing. DC was an inch from unconsciousness

Gus did not beat jones and there’s no argument for it. He won, in my opinion, round 3 only. But because everyone hates jones and everyone loves dc (partly becuase of jones), these fights get flipped in peoples minds somehow

U couldn't post the fight for reference??

Thats like mandatory for these kinds of thread bro...




I will post my scorecard and notes after my rewatch

 

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The scoring even then was effective striking first. If Gus was getting rocked and then running away it would be different, but he wasn’t. He was walking backwards while hitting DC and it continued like this for most of the fight. He was outstriking DC.


Again, not important and yes, my opinion but opinion can be substituted for interpretation of the facts. I see gus landing multiple strikes that clearly affected dc more than dc affected him in 2 and 4, 4 especially, including a big kick to the body that caused dc to hunch over

1st round - DC lands 14 of 22 strikes
Gus lands 5 of 21
2nd round - DC lands 28 of 53
Gus lands 27 of 60
3rd round - DC lands 36 of 64
Gus lands 33 of 58 including the most significant strike of the entire fight that monster knee that almost ended the fight
4th round - DC lands 31 of 75
Gus lands 37 of 68
5th round - DC lands 31 of 69
Gus lands 18 of 47

DC lands 219 of 364
Gus lands 130 of 264
(I didn't know how you can say Gus was more effective when DC landed more strikes and at a higher %)

DC gets 1 of 5 TD
Gus gets 1 of 7 TD
DC had 3 minutes and 30 seconds of control time on the ground.
Gus had 58 seconds of control time on the ground.
You also admitted that Gus was moving backwards the entire fight while DC was moving forward.

You really have to fanboy to give Gus this fight. I had it 49-46 DC. I can understand 48-47 DC but I can't give Gus the win.

 

[pick999]

Judges nowadays would give gus 49-46 decision