Law Gun Control: A Global Overview

[Gutter Chris]

Why would you want someone who has been to prison for beating his wife with documented violent mental health problems being able to walk into a gun store and walk out with a deadly firearm without valid checks to make sure he's okay to be let loose with one?

You already have to pass a background check when you go to the store and buy one ... so we're good on gun legislation?

 

[Gutter Chris]

Countries like the UK with very similar societies but stricter gun laws have like half the suicide rate of the US. So yes, reducing gun access is a very tangible solution.

“Lets all like get along man” is not really a tangible solution. Sounds nice in a song though.

Yea fuck that. I dont want the uks gun laws I don't give a damn how many suicides it prevents .

 

[shockaholic12]

No thanks

I think its misleading because a lot of people see the numbers and think it's murder.

I don't want anyone to kill themselves. But I don't find suicide a valid excuse for gun control. I said I'm for all kinds of social programs to handle that and think that's a better solution.

Suicide is a violent death, a leading cause of death, exists in all demographics, and is made significantly more common with poorly regulated firearm access.

Ignoring it amongst violent gun death discussions is disingenuous and misleading. “If we’re all more ignorant gun deaths don’t seem as bad” is a dumb argument.

 

[BFoe]

Could you expand on this please?

/disclaimer" I'm not wanting to disarm us.

The truth is that the 2A was never interpreted by courts to be an individual right encompassing self defense until SCOTUS said so in the case @Deorum quoted, DC v Heller, in 2008.

Prior to that, it was largely interpreted as a collective right which existed to ensure that states could call up an organized militia of armed citizens for defense.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Countries like the UK with very similar societies but stricter gun laws have like half the suicide rate of the US. So yes, reducing gun access is a very tangible solution.

“Lets all like get along man” is not really a tangible solution. Sounds nice in a song though.

But it's a solution that creates other kinds of problems that I'm not willing to accept.



The idea of getting rid of guns is absurd to me and it's never going to happen. So if you want to talk about being unrealistic, certainly your notion of getting rid of all of guns is absolutely unrealistic.

You guys are putting the cart before the horse.

 

[shockaholic12]

But it's a solution that creates other kinds of problems that I'm not willing to accept.



The idea of getting rid of guns is absurd to me and it's never going to happen. So if you want to talk about being unrealistic, certainly your notion of getting rid of all of guns is absolutely unrealistic.

You guys are putting the cart before the horse.

I didn’t argue for getting rid of all guns. Just pointed out suicides by firearm are a serious issue for everyone and it shouldn’t be ignored in violent gun stats because it’s the definition of a violent gun issue for our society.

I do think a major shift in gun regulation is possible.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I didn’t argue for getting rid of all guns. Just pointed out suicides by firearm are a serious issue for everyone and it shouldn’t be ignored in violent gun stats because it’s the definition of a violent gun issue for our society.

I do think a major shift in gun regulation is possible.

Well I would question some of those statistics anyway because a lot of places in the UK have universal healthcare and so they have access to psychological care and huge social net which can really ramp down the fear and sense of isolation people feel.

But in any case, taking away people's guns so they won't kill themselves seems and absurdly idiotic position to me even if it works. Because what we really need to do is create a society that really cares about people and serves people and we need to have a society that knows more about psychological and spiritual growth than sports and finance.

It's amazing to me. How many people can quote sports stats or political stats or financial stats and don't have the most simple understanding of psychological and spiritual transformation.

 

[fingercuffs]

You already have to pass a background check when you go to the store and buy one ... so we're good on gun legislation?

To what level? How far does it delve?

 

[Deleted member 577981]

To what level? How far does it delve?

It's just a criminal background check afaik. It's also easily circumvented by buying guns privately and at gun shows. There are lots of ways around a background check.

 

[Gutter Chris]

To what level? How far does it delve?

It looks to see if you are a felon or have been institutionalized. If you ping like the domestic violence charge you mentioned earlier , you can't buy one..

 

[Gutter Chris]

It's just a criminal background check afaik. It's also easily circumvented by buying guns privately and at gun shows. There are lots of ways around a background check.

I think a lot of states require a bg check on private sales now too.

It can also be circumvented by a strawman purchase though , no system is perfect. Might help if we upped the penalties for getting caught doing this, amd I would have no problems if they did.

 

[fingercuffs]

It looks to see if you are a felon or have been institutionalized. If you ping like the domestic violence charge you mentioned earlier , you can't buy one..

You can guarantee that no one who has been involved with domestic violence can legally get their hands on a firearm? In every state?

 

[fingercuffs]

It's just a criminal background check afaik. It's also easily circumvented by buying guns privately and at gun shows. There are lots of ways around a background check.

Yeah kind of wondered about gun shows. Can you walk away with a firearm from one of those? I had a background check getting my kitties from a rescue centre and I couldn't walk away with them same day, lol.

 

[shockaholic12]

Well I would question some of those statistics anyway because a lot of places in the UK have universal healthcare and so they have access to psychological care and huge social net which can really ramp down the fear and sense of isolation people feel.

But in any case, taking away people's guns so they won't kill themselves seems and absurdly idiotic position to me even if it works. Because what we really need to do is create a society that really cares about people and serves people and we need to have a society that knows more about psychological and spiritual growth than sports and finance.

It's amazing to me. How many people can quote sports stats or political stats or financial stats and don't have the most simple understanding of psychological and spiritual transformation.

If you want to show real care for people at risk for suicide then you could take some common sense gun control measures likes the rest of the first world so they don’t die as frequently or you could ramble about spiritual transformations and expect everything else but gun control to change.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Yeah kind of wondered about gun shows. Can you walk away with a firearm from one of those? I had a background check getting my kitties from a rescue centre and I couldn't walk away with them same day, lol.

Yes you can. I'm not really up to date on every state etc but it is still way too easy to buy a gun in the states imo. Gun shows are a major loophole and I'm guessing private sales of guns are legal in more states than not.

Private sales also includes the black market and also since there are no laws requiring the storage of guns in theft proof lockers a lot of shooting are from access to guns you don't even own.

I have 3 guns but they are always locked up and safe from neighbor kids, my daughter etc. I think requiring them to be locked away when not around to protect them would be a good law also.

 

[fingercuffs]

Yes you can. I'm not really up to date on every state etc but it is still way too easy to buy a gun in the states imo. Gun shows are a major loophole and I'm guessing private sales of guns are legal in more states than not.

Private sales also includes the black market and also since there are no laws requiring the storage of guns in theft proof lockers a lot of shooting are from access to guns you don't even own.

I have 3 guns but they are always locked up and safe from neighbor kids, my daughter etc. I think requiring them to be locked away when not around to protect them would be a good law also.

I thought it already was a law! Maybe just here in CA.

We can't control the black market but something should be done if people aren't being background checked at gun shows.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

If you want to show real care for people at risk for suicide then you could take some common sense gun control measures likes the rest of the first world so they don’t die as frequently or you could ramble about spiritual transformations and expect everything else but gun control to change.

I don't think that is the best primary solution though because it does NOT solve the problem. Once again .. the absurdity of knowing sports stats, political stats and financial stats, crime stats when one doesn't even know the basics of psychological and spiritual transformation is profound.

We have generational suffering being passed on over and over and it's totally curable. Everyone should know how to gain spiritual and psychological transformation and see it as their duty to society to leave the world better than they found it.

An educated populace working towards genuinely happiness and fulfillment on this level would make a massive difference in the rates of depression, suicide and murder. What many people are proposing is a bandaid instead. And it puts the cart before the horse too.

The UK has nothing like what I am proposing but I'm guessing that universal psychological care and social safety nets go along way towards mitigating suicide and murder. Add to that a spiritually/psychologically trained populace so that everyone knows someone who is doing really well and can and will help and you could have all the guns in the world and little problems.

I'm not interested in band aid solution to things.

But why don't you lay out your proposals for gun laws because I am and always have backed lots of them anyway. You are not talking to somebody who wants to do nothing on that level. I just see through the band aid solution as the real one

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I thought it already was a law! Maybe just here in CA.

We can't control the black market but something should be done if people aren't being background checked at gun shows.

California is different than a lot of states that way. The loopholes are not oversights in many states... they are intentional.

 

[fingercuffs]

California is different than a lot of states that way. The loopholes are not oversights in many states... they are intentional.

I used to see tons of ads for gun shows when I lived in VA but none here, I guess I now know why.

 

[RemyR]

If anyone is for more gun control and wants to surrender some guns I can take them if you want.

Just trying to help out.