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oldshadow said:
I don't care who has a gun as long as its a legal one. I also don't care how many they have. I don't support an "assault weapons " or mag ban. I see people regularly walk into where I work or on the street with a gun openly on their hip, it's no big deal.
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I am fine with that. Probably getting too philosophical on you. As you were.
 
oldshadow said:
Because it's not the whole truth.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/murder-rate-by-state
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I'm not sure what your point here is.
lifelessheap said:
Idaho has Constitutional carry. Idaho has more guns than any State other than Alaska and Arkansas. Idaho is safer than where you live.

LoL
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On the flip-side Mississippi and Louisiana are the two states with the highest murder rate and they both allow open carry without a permit. The better approach is to look at difference within states before and after they pass such laws as comparing between states without accounting for confounding variables can give us a murky, contradictory picture as the examples of Idaho, Mississippi, and Louisiana show. To that end there are some studies which suggest more permissive gun laws are correlated with increased violent crime and murder.
 
Islam Imamate said:
I'm not sure what your point here is.

On the flip-side Mississippi and Louisiana are the two states with the highest murder rate and they both allow open carry without a permit. The better approach is to look at difference within states before and after they pass such laws as comparing between states without accounting for confounding variables can give us a murky, contradictory picture as the examples of Idaho, Mississippi, and Louisiana show. To that end there are some studies which suggest more permissive gun laws are correlated with increased violent crime and murder.
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Then you have to also look where in the state the murder rate went up. Then also you have to look at if it was legal for the person to have the gun.
 
Gavin should worry more about California than what is going on in florida. Bum ass guy who got caught red handed during Covid lockdowns. POS hypocrite.
 
oldshadow said:
Because it matters when you want to take guns from legal owners but don't want to punish criminals. That's what he wants.
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I don't think it matters in this context since the point is that the law itself is correlated with a higher homicide rate within one state when looking at the data before and after the law's implementation, or at least some studies suggest it might.
 
Islam Imamate said:
I don't think it matters in this context since the point is that the law itself is correlated with a higher homicide rate within one state when looking at the data before and after the law's implementation, or at least some studies suggest it might.
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It might and it could also been influenced by other factors such as a general rise in crime due to other things.

It matters because he is using it to try and take guns from law abiding citizens not punishing the criminals. He's soft on criminals but wants to take the ability to defend themselves from law abiding citizens.

Look where California is.

https://247wallst.com/state/how-the-violent-crime-rate-in-california-compares-to-other-states/
 
oldshadow said:
It might and it could also been influenced by other factors such as a general rise in crime due to other things.

It matters because he is using it to try and take guns from law abiding citizens not punishing the criminals. He's soft on criminals but wants to take the ability to defend themselves from law abiding citizens.

Look where California is.

https://247wallst.com/state/how-the-violent-crime-rate-in-california-compares-to-other-states/
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I don't think it matters in the context of analyzing the effects of these open carry laws unless you could show that there was another variable confounding the results.
Belaya Smert said:
23% decrease in crime in places with conceal/open carry. He’s being intentionally deceptive and ignoring the most recent empirical statistics provided by the US government.
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Interesting stat, got a source I could read?
 
Islam Imamate said:
I don't think it matters in the context of analyzing the effects of these open carry laws unless you could show that there was another variable confounding the results.

Interesting stat, got a source I could read?
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So show where open carry is directly the cause of increasing murder.
 
oldshadow said:
So show where open carry is directly the cause of increasing murder.
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That's impossible to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt but like I said there some studies which suggest that over time the murder and violent crime rate ticks up after these laws are passed. I already linked two though to be fair the full studies are behind a paywall and only the abstracts are available.
 
Islam Imamate said:
That's impossible to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt but like I said there some studies which suggest that over time the murder and violent crime rate ticks up after these laws are passed. I already linked two though to be fair the full studies are behind a paywall and only the abstracts are available.
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And I'm saying there are possibilities that are not taken into account because the people doing the study want it to be guns.
 
Islam Imamate said:
What is he wrong about?
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He's implying that folks won't undergo a background check when buying a gun because of "permit less" carry. He's also implying that criminals won't carry if whatever he wants to implement is put in place. It's a pathetic attempt to push the same stupid gun control narrative.

Criminals don't honor permit or purchase requirements . . . you know this . . .
 
Islam Imamate said:
I don't think it matters in the context of analyzing the effects of these open carry laws unless you could show that there was another variable confounding the results.

Interesting stat, got a source I could read?
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I’ll let you find the individual research paper that you find determine to be most complete. Here is a list.
Studies Exploring the Effects of Shall-Issue Concealed-Carry Laws on Violent Crime, 1997–2004
Study Significant Effect Reported (Main Specification)
Lott and Mustard (1997)a Decrease in violent crime, murders, rapes, and assaults
Bartley and Cohen (1998) Decrease in violent crime robust to alternate model specifications
Black and Nagin (1998) Increase in assaults
Bronars and Lott (1998) Decrease in murders and rapes, displacement of crime to other jurisdictions
Lott (1998a)a Decrease in violent crime in most states implementing the law
Lott (1998b)a Decrease in violent crime; increase in property crime
Ludwig (1998) None detected
Ayres and Donohue (1999)a Increase in property crime
Lott and Landes (1999)a Decrease in murders and injuries from multiple-victim public shootings
Lott (2000)a Decrease in all crime categories
Benson and Mast (2001) Decrease in violent crime, murders, rapes, and robberies
Duggan (2001) Decrease in assaults
Moody (2001)a Decrease in violent crime
Olson and Maltz (2001) Decrease in firearm murders
Plassmann and Tideman (2001) Decrease in murders and rapes; increase in robberies
Lott and Whitley (2003)a Decrease in violent crime, murders, rapes, and robberies
Plassmann and Whitley (2003)b Decrease in rapes and robberies
Rubin and Dezhbakhsh (2003) Decrease in murders; increase in robberies
Ayres and Donohue (2003a)a Increase in more crime categories than saw a decrease
Ayres and Donohue (2003b)a Increase or no effect in all crime categories
Donohue (2003)a Mixed; effects were sensitive to model specifications and data
Helland and Tabarrok (2004) Increase in property crime, auto thefts, and larcenies
 
Belaya Smert said:
I’ll let you find the individual research paper that you find determine to be most complete. Here is a list.
Studies Exploring the Effects of Shall-Issue Concealed-Carry Laws on Violent Crime, 1997–2004
Study Significant Effect Reported (Main Specification)
Lott and Mustard (1997)a Decrease in violent crime, murders, rapes, and assaults
Bartley and Cohen (1998) Decrease in violent crime robust to alternate model specifications
Black and Nagin (1998) Increase in assaults
Bronars and Lott (1998) Decrease in murders and rapes, displacement of crime to other jurisdictions
Lott (1998a)a Decrease in violent crime in most states implementing the law
Lott (1998b)a Decrease in violent crime; increase in property crime
Ludwig (1998) None detected
Ayres and Donohue (1999)a Increase in property crime
Lott and Landes (1999)a Decrease in murders and injuries from multiple-victim public shootings
Lott (2000)a Decrease in all crime categories
Benson and Mast (2001) Decrease in violent crime, murders, rapes, and robberies
Duggan (2001) Decrease in assaults
Moody (2001)a Decrease in violent crime
Olson and Maltz (2001) Decrease in firearm murders
Plassmann and Tideman (2001) Decrease in murders and rapes; increase in robberies
Lott and Whitley (2003)a Decrease in violent crime, murders, rapes, and robberies
Plassmann and Whitley (2003)b Decrease in rapes and robberies
Rubin and Dezhbakhsh (2003) Decrease in murders; increase in robberies
Ayres and Donohue (2003a)a Increase in more crime categories than saw a decrease
Ayres and Donohue (2003b)a Increase or no effect in all crime categories
Donohue (2003)a Mixed; effects were sensitive to model specifications and data
Helland and Tabarrok (2004) Increase in property crime, auto thefts, and larcenies
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You don't have any links so I can try to read through them myself?
 
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