Gsp strength of opponents is a myth

[SuperNerd]

Lol the absurd reasoning that Anderson's opponents could have beaten him had they stuck to their fundamentals more is hilarious.

Nobody said that.

Lol @ you, quoting nobody and abusing quotes to feel like a smart ass.

Grim and I are speculating on the feeling of losses. I did not say anything about outcomes.

 

[fiftywattmafia]

GSP steamrolled or avenged everyone he ever faced. Respected the sport, martial arts and his opponents.

Anderson? Here’s how he looked against his “strength of schedule” who is 1-5 in his last 6 and was knocked down in his win.

 

[krelianx]

Lol the absurd reasoning that Anderson's opponents could have beaten him had they stuck to their fundamentals more is hilarious. Its getting silly guys. A few people here actually get it and have added critical analysis to this discussion.

You're abnormally stupid for someone who has been here for almost a decade. Seriously, it's a bit concerning after all this time you thought this trash of a thread and argument was even worth making.

 

[Wise1]

Only blind nuthuggers would dispute that.

Now love gsp fanboys narrative as to why most of his opponents had losing records after facing him, but the problem is good fighters don’t just “break” after one tough loss. If they are good fighters they still find a way to win.

Looking at his opponents when he was the champ only 2 or 3 had winning records in their next 5 bouts after facing gsp

Hendricks 2-3 (became champ after beating Lawler, but then fell off finishing his career with 1-5 record)

Nick Díaz (only fought once after gsp n it was a loss turned into nc.)

Condit 2-3 (finished his career on 5 fight losing streak)

Shield 3-1-1nc (nc was due a positive test. He also had 2 sd wins, then got dominated by Lombard n was later released)

Koscheck 2-3 (ended his career on 6 fight losing streak)

Hardy 2-3 (he retired after that)

Alves 2-3 (he fought 13 more times after gsp fight n only once was able to have 2 fight win streak)

Bj 3-2 (most of those wins were at lw. Currently bj is at 6 fight losing streak)

Fitch 5-0 (the only guy with good record after losing to gsp. Even he started losing when facing tougher competition like Maia n Hendricks n was eventually released)

Serra 1-2 (he was pretty much one leg outta door when he finished gsp. He would’ve most likely retired if he didn’t beat gsp the 1st time.)

Hughes 3-2 (didn’t really beat anybody noteworthy. He finished his career on 2 fight losing streak

Now compare that to Anderson

Chael 2-3 (only losses at lhw to jones n Evans + loss to Anderson)

Okami 3-2 (6-4 in his last 10)

Vitor 4-1 (only loss to jones at lhw)

Chael 3-2 (only losses to jones n Anderson)

Maia 3-2 (14-7 after Anderson loss)

Griffin 3-1 (retired after that)

Leites 3-2 (14-7 after losing to Anderson)

Cote 3-2 (10-6 after losing to Anderson)

Irvin 1-3-1nc (3-5-1nc after losing to Anderson)

Hendo 4-1 (10-8 after losing to Anderson, most losses at the end of his career at age 40)

Franklin 3-2 (only losing to vitor n Henderson)

Marquardt 4-1 (only loss was a sd after point deduction)

Lutter 1-2 (retired)

Franklin 4-1 (only losing to Anderson)

We see a clear contrast between gsp n Anderson opponents.

It’s obvious gsp faced fighters who were either past their primes or were just on a hot streak n got exposed later on.

On the other hand Anderson opponents didn’t start magically losing after suffering a “tough loss” at the ends of Anderson. They were still top fighters n were able to win afterwards

Well done Sir.

 

[Taric]

GSP steamrolled or avenged everyone he ever faced. Respected the sport, martial arts and his opponents.

Anderson? Here’s how he looked against his “strength of schedule” who is 1-5 in his last 6 and was knocked down in his win.

This stuff is unfair when you consider that GSP has had 1 fight since the age of 33.
It's easy to not lose when you don't even compete at the age most fighters start losing (33+).

 

[Mixfight]

UFC geeks can't admit that GSP fought a bunch of bums who were only paraded as legit competition just because that was all the UFC had at the time.

The same way UFC geeks dont want to admit that watching Jon Jones fights is more boring than watching paint dry.

 

[YouCrazyIntheHeadMan]

Fact is, the current WW division is the best WW we've ever seen in history.

I fucking hope so, this sport is young and Still evolving you know.

 

[YouCrazyIntheHeadMan]

I'm sick and tired of reading page after page about gsp having the toughest schedule of fights ever.

You guys know that condit went 2-7 after fighting gsp?
Jake sheilds went 7-6-1 after fighting gsp
kos went 2-8 after fighting gsp
thiago alves went 6-7 after fighting gsp
Hendricks went 2-6 after fighting Georges.

This is a total.farce that he had some crazy storied career where he faced killers. He fought every single.one of these guys on their downward spiral.

Enough of this bs making Georges legacy seem like its something that it obviously is not.

Why dont you post their record prior their meeting with gsp you filthy maggot. He faced the best fighter planet Earth had to offer at this Time. Are today WW better then in gsp era? Yes and WW from 10 years later Will be better then WW of today...the sport Evolve this is how IT goes in sport.

 

[kickpuncher]

Its difficult to say but Hughes in his prime was a tough fight man. When he fought GSP the second time he was 41-5. He's one of only 2 people to ever give GSP a loss. The guy was skilled at finishing too, not just a lay and pray wrestler. He finished 35 times. Think about that, Hughes finished more times than most fighters have in total fights. He had 20 K.O.'s and 15 submission wins.

I just think that the current crop of WWs have changed vastly since Hughes day. Compared to 15+ years ago, most are bigger thanks to extreme weight cutting, and a deeper talent pool. Plus who knows how well Hughes would do post USADA.

 

[grimballer]

Exactly.

Silva's opponents made mistakes that can be corrected. ie. don't throw stupid strikes. There is hope for improvement.

GSP opponents have no answers when they get back to the drawing board. There is nothing but acceptance you will not be that great or lucky.

Don’t think getting matrixd by Silva is a simple mistake that can be corrected

You just realize how superior he is as a striker/fighter

I’m sure Franklin (who was 22-1 att n was well rounded) confidence was shattered when scrawny Brazilian put him in that Thai clinch n rag doll him

Or hendo (who has a granite chin n rarely gets finished) got dropped n choked out by Henderson

Or vitor (whos one of the best strikers out there n was never legit ko before) gets ko by a front kick

Or lesser opponent like Leben (15-1 with granite chin) gets brutally ko by Anderson

During his title run, he look like Superman

On the other hand gsp opponents knew he’s not gonna hurt them on the feet, he’s not gonna sub them on the ground, he’s not gonna gnp them, so they have 25 minutes to catch him with something n every round starts on the feet, so at minimum they have 5 strikes.

Even then if we assume “he crushed their spirits” n they knew they could never beat him, it still doesn’t explain how they couldn’t beat everybody else.

If losing to him means they were no longer the same mentally, that means they weren’t strong nuff mentally in 1st place n instead of overcoming an obstacle, they just folded

 

[SuperNerd]

Don’t think getting matrixd by Silva is a simple mistake that can be corrected

You just realize how superior he is as a striker/fighter

I’m sure Franklin (who was 22-1 att n was well rounded) confidence was shattered when scrawny Brazilian put him in that Thai clinch n rag doll him

Or hendo (who has a granite chin n rarely gets finished) got dropped n choked out by Henderson

Or vitor (whos one of the best strikers out there n was never legit ko before) gets ko by a front kick

Or lesser opponent like Leben (15-1 with granite chin) gets brutally ko by Anderson

During his title run, he look like Superman

On the other hand gsp opponents knew he’s not gonna hurt them on the feet, he’s not gonna sub them on the ground, he’s not gonna gnp them, so they have 25 minutes to catch him with something n every round starts on the feet, so at minimum they have 5 strikes.

I've watched MMA and I click fight finder too.

Even then if we assume “he crushed their spirits” n they knew they could never beat him, it still doesn’t explain how they couldn’t beat everybody else.

If losing to him means they were no longer the same mentally, that means they weren’t strong nuff mentally in 1st place n instead of overcoming an obstacle, they just folded

Cool. My point remains, a guy like Forrest could look at his work and see obvious mistakes he could have fixed. Don't throw stupid strikes, and don't lead. You'll probably be safe.

Guys who did well against Georges can't do that. Serra, Penn, Hardy, Kos, these guys wilted down to nothing, with no spirit to fight. It's literally how majority of Georges' late finishes go. By overwhelming a mentally defeated fighter.

GSP's style takes souls and dictates. The fight will go how he wants it. Silva gives free will to his opponent, and leads him to trouble.

You say you would rather be Hardy/Condit, than Forrest. I doubt most would agree.

 

[dangerousD]

You destroyed your own argument by showing what happened to them AFTER Gsp fought them.

 

[bjpenngoat]

The arguments against my op are getting more absurd as this thread goes on. One guy literally said that Forrest could have watched the tape and went back and fixed some things against Anderson.
Wow
And of course gsp apologists are slinging mud and insults instead of anything substantial. A few of you get it and we all have valid points here regarding gsp not being the goat.

 

[grimballer]

I've watched MMA and I click fight finder too.



Cool. My point remains, a guy like Forrest could look at his work and see obvious mistakes he could have fixed. Don't throw stupid strikes, and don't lead. You'll probably be safe.

Guys who did well against Georges can't do that. Serra, Penn, Hardy, Kos, these guys wilted down to nothing, with no spirit to fight. It's literally how majority of Georges' late finishes go. By overwhelming a mentally defeated fighter.

GSP's style takes souls and dictates. The fight will go how he wants it. Silva gives free will to his opponent, and leads him to trouble.

You say you would rather be Hardy/Condit, than Forrest. I doubt most would agree.

But then if that was true fighters like big nog or dc would’ve been on losing streaks after facing fedor/jones, but that’s not what happen.

They were still able to perform at high level n beat up everybody else even after losing to them (2x)

Even some of gsp opponents didn’t just start losing right away. Fitch, who was probably the guy who got his ass whooped the most by gsp, went on a 5 fight win streak after losing to gsp.

So there’s more to it than just “he broke them”. If they break that easy, that means they weren’t that strong in 1st place. They had a solid winning streak, however once they reach the top, they couldn’t maintain n got exposed.

 

[grimballer]

The arguments against my op are getting more absurd as this thread goes on. One guy literally said that Forrest could have watched the tape and went back and fixed some things against Anderson.
Wow
And of course gsp apologists are slinging mud and insults instead of anything substantial. A few of you get it and we all have valid points here regarding gsp not being the goat.

It’s funny isn’t it

Just personal attack n no factual arguments

It’s like trying to reason with a religious cult

 

[SuperNerd]

So there’s more to it than just “he broke them”.

It's a real factor. Nothing is black and white. Of course there are other factors. Like home relationships. We don't have the answers.

GSP's style metally breaks opponents, this is a fact. We saw it happen to a finish against Serra and Penn. We've see his opponents cover up and wait.


My point remains the same . I believe most fighters would rather lose fighting , than be technically outclassed and out matched for 25 mins, with no offense to show for it.

It will mentally effect lots of people negatively. No matter the sport or game.

 

[SuperNerd]

One guy literally said that Forrest could have watched the tape and went back and fixed some things against Anderson.

You convinced me. This is the absolute best, and only thing Forrest could do.

Nobody can watch this tape and improve. It would happen over and over again.


Keep exposing yourself.

Somebody needs to explain you the basics of counter fighting.

 

[HunterAcosta]

Yeah BJ, Shields, Hardy, Fitch, Koscheck, Hughes, Serra, Hendricks, Bisping, Alves, Mayhem Miller, Condit, Sherk, Trigg, Pete Spratt, Menjivar, Jay Hieron and Karo are all just a bunch of no good fucking bums who deserve to fight at Gladiator Challenge or at the local parking lot of wal mart. Bunch of amateurs, yeah right. Sure. Easiest schedule ever. Like Ever ever. These guys all suck for sure 10000%. Uhmmmmm.

 

[tenniswhiz]

the best way to tell is add up the rankings of his opponent's in title fights... lowest score/average wins

i bet one of you weirdos has this on a spreadsheet already

Actually, that’s no way to tell.
For TWO reasons.

Rankings are extremely flawed.
At no time was Brett Rogers the 7th best HW in the world. At no time was Dan Hardy the 4th best WW in the world.
A single win can get you there (Rogers).
Or a bush league win streak (Hardy) can get you there.
There are many more examples, for many different reasons, why rankings fail.

It also doesn’t address the strength of a division.
Bethe Correia and Jessica Eye may have had high rankings but that has more to do with the division they were in.
If you met the #4th ranked men’s 115 lb fighter, I doubt you’d be starstruck.

IMO, WW had a good average level for many years, but only one truly elite fighter, which is of course GSP.

 

[ufc_is_dead]

Actually, that’s no way to tell.
For TWO reasons.

Rankings are extremely flawed.
At no time was Brett Rogers the 7th best HW in the world. At no time was Dan Hardy the 4th best WW in the world.
A single win can get you there (Rogers).
Or a bush league win streak (Hardy) can get you there.
There are many more examples, for many different reasons, why rankings fail.

It also doesn’t address the strength of a division.
Bethe Correia and Jessica Eye may have had high rankings but that has more to do with the division they were in.
If you met the #4th ranked men’s 115 lb fighter, I doubt you’d be starstruck.

IMO, WW had a good average level for many years, but only one truly elite fighter, which is of course GSP.

flawed yes but it will always be an arbitrary measure... you just have to pick a way and go with it