NFL Green Bay Packers 2023 Differences between now and 2008

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Interesting interview with Mike Daniels. The only way anything changes is if Gute, LaFluer and Murphy are all fired.

 
JackWhite said:
Interesting interview with Mike Daniels. The only way anything changes is if Gute, LaFluer and Murphy are all fired.

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Without listening to it, because it's late and Daniels is probably biased as hell (even though he didn't do shit after leaving, just like most others that were let go by Gute...). LaFleur is a good coach on the offense for sure and usually also a good play caller. Almost every other possible candidate would have his flaws as well, what is inexusable is that stubborn sticking with Joe fucking Barry, who ALWAYS had shitty defenses everywhere he's been DC, who knows what other incompetent coaches LaFleur keeps around because he likes them. He needs to fix that, otherwise he will get fired over it. But be careful what you wish for. Rodgers badly wanted McDaniels back then, by the way.

Gute had a couple of bad drafts but knocked it out of the park in the last two, also seems like you can definitely win with Love and he still has some room to improve perfectly fixable issues (especially when the offense is healthy). Many, many other GMs are absolute dogshit compared to Gutekunst, he rarely ever had the chance to draft high yet, he only once had the cap space to make splash signings and that was a legit great haul. Most GMs during his tenure did less with more.
 
The Seahawks win over Philly all but locks the Packers out of the post season.
 
Deffid said:
Without listening to it, because it's late and Daniels is probably biased as hell (even though he didn't do shit after leaving, just like most others that were let go by Gute...). LaFleur is a good coach on the offense for sure and usually also a good play caller. Almost every other possible candidate would have his flaws as well, what is inexusable is that stubborn sticking with Joe fucking Barry, who ALWAYS had shitty defenses everywhere he's been DC, who knows what other incompetent coaches LaFleur keeps around because he likes them. He needs to fix that, otherwise he will get fired over it. But be careful what you wish for. Rodgers badly wanted McDaniels back then, by the way.

Gute had a couple of bad drafts but knocked it out of the park in the last two, also seems like you can definitely win with Love and he still has some room to improve perfectly fixable issues (especially when the offense is healthy). Many, many other GMs are absolute dogshit compared to Gutekunst, he rarely ever had the chance to draft high yet, he only once had the cap space to make splash signings and that was a legit great haul. Most GMs during his tenure did less with more.
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Daniels said something interesting about how the mentality with 12 back in the day was "just get him the ball back" and how the defense was never expected to carry the load. That type of thinking has to change, unless Love becomes elite and can carry a team. If he can't, then I don't see many deep post-season runs in the future. I'm no Joe Barry apologist, but with so many first round picks invested in the defense, the guy shouldn't have to do much if most of these guys were legit. Barry needs to go, no questions asked. But the team has gone through 2 coordinators since Capers and still the product on the field is average at best.
 
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The Seahawks win over Philly all but locks the Packers out of the post season.
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Everything was right in front of them. Even if they got walloped in the WC round, it would have been nice for these youngsters to taste playoff football.

Maybe I'm being an optimistic fool (not the first time), but I don't see them losing to the Panthers on Christmas eve. I think everything will come down to that Sunday night showdown against the Vikings.
 
JackWhite said:
Daniels said something interesting about how the mentality with 12 back in the day was "just get him the ball back" and how the defense was never expected to carry the load. That type of thinking has to change, unless Love becomes elite and can carry a team. If he can't, then I don't see many deep post-season runs in the future. I'm no Joe Barry apologist, but with so many first round picks invested in the defense, the guy shouldn't have to do much if most of these guys were legit. Barry needs to go, no questions asked. But the team has gone through 2 coordinators since Capers and still the product on the field is average at best.
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That's absolutely true. All those first round picks include Walker and Wyatt, who aren't total busts but definitely haven't shown to be worth those picks, van Ness who's a project (but getting better), Jaire who's hurt all the time, Savage who's at best average, Stokes was obviously injured for a long time and I hope he didn't lose his athleticism. Douglas was a good find but was traded already (which I still agree with tbh), Campbell hasn't sniffed his All Pro level since that season, Safety room is a joke.

They have to find a proper Nickel because Nixon isn't full time starter level, one legit good Safety and likely take a deep look at the CB market in the draft again. We might see yet another CB in the first round guys lol. Should try to find the Safety in FA.
 
Deffid said:
That's absolutely true. All those first round picks include Walker and Wyatt, who aren't total busts but definitely haven't shown to be worth those picks, van Ness who's a project (but getting better), Jaire who's hurt all the time, Savage who's at best average, Stokes was obviously injured for a long time and I hope he didn't lose his athleticism. Douglas was a good find but was traded already (which I still agree with tbh), Campbell hasn't sniffed his All Pro level since that season, Safety room is a joke.

They have to find a proper Nickel because Nixon isn't full time starter level, one legit good Safety and likely take a deep look at the CB market in the draft again. We might see yet another CB in the first round guys lol. Should try to find the Safety in FA.
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I'm not gonna be too unhappy with another first round corner. They tend to perform pretty well for the first few years, then flame out, lol.

The team has a lot of holes to fill to become a legit contender again, so I'm really hoping for best player available early in the draft.
 
JackWhite said:
I'm not gonna be too unhappy with another first round corner. They tend to perform pretty well for the first few years, then flame out, lol.

The team has a lot of holes to fill to become a legit contender again, so I'm really hoping for best player available early in the draft.
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I have no idea how the cap situation will look, maybe one decently sized deal is possible? Or a couple of medium ones? I'd try to go Nickel and Safety in FA, rest in the draft.

IMO the holes aren't quite as big and they aren't that difficult to fill, at least I hope so. Nickel and Safety isn't very expensive on the market usually. My priorities would be:

1. Secondary
2. Run game, add some juice to the room and add run blockers
3. Little overlap with number 2, but reinforcements for the O-Line

With at least some cap cpace this offseason and 5 Top 100 picks (early ones too), it should be doable. If a great playmaker falls to them, do that, because Watson will probably be injury prone his whole career.

EDIT: AND GET THE FUCKING DC POSITION RIGHT
 
The defense gets a 3 and out. Of course the special teams decide to rough the kicker.
 
Another 3rd and long failure by the defense.
 
Packer defense making the Panthers look like a Superbowl team.
 
This defense needs a firing squad. Fire everybody!
 
Viqueens with Mullens might score 50 next week
 
Lol at the fudge pack needing to get bailed out by the friendly/rigged to beat the fucking Canthers
 
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