Greatest Muay Thai Fighters of All Time, as voted by Thai Legends

Too soon to draw any conclusions about this, poll has a whopping pool of 12 voters according to OP. Results could change drastically with a couple different opinions from this guy or that one.

Could be fun to speculate on it but let Sylvie finish her “study” before jumping with “ah ha I told you so! Pitpotponglet is a bum! Only people who trane ufc like him! Ah!”

it’s only a matter of time until Jo Nattawut is voted #1 anyway.
 
Only weights above 180 lbs(and im being generous) matter for men, we couldn't give 2 shits about toothpicks and they sure as hell have no place near the word goat

Yeah coz Heavyweight Boxing, MMA, Kickboxing and Muay Thai is obviously where there's the greatest pool of talent and technicality :rolleyes:

Just lol.
 
Yeah coz Heavyweight Boxing, MMA, Kickboxing and Muay Thai is obviously where there's the greatest pool of talent and technicality :rolleyes:

Just lol.
Just to remind you, when people fight nobody gives 2 shits about weight classes, they were invented to sell more tickets and have more fighters, if the toothpicks can beat heavyweights then they are more talented, otherwise they can go shove their fast hyperactive more "technical" love taps and bow to the truth, the truth that they are the size of the leg of a real fighter. A heavy strong fighter wins regardless of manmade commercial weight classes.

As such we conclude that only and solely heavy fighters really matter and that the toothpicks are just playing sports and games, not fighting, they are by definition less talented.
 
Just to remind you, when people fight nobody gives 2 shits about weight classes, they were invented to sell more tickets and have more fighters, if the toothpicks can beat heavyweights then they are more talented, otherwise they can go shove their fast hyperactive more "technical" love taps and bow to the truth, the truth that they are the size of the leg of a real fighter. A heavy strong fighter wins regardless of manmade commercial weight classes.

As such we conclude that only and solely heavy fighters really matter and that the toothpicks are just playing sports and games, not fighting, they are by definition less talented.

They're not inherently less talented, they're just at a disadvantage. Plenty of examples of smaller fighters beating bigger fighters with those technical "love taps" lol. Considering the colorful language you used, you seem pretty convinced that you're right -- but I struggle to believe that you know what you are talking about.
 
At the end of the day physical fighting capabilities don't mean a lot in the modern world, nor historically. Many emperors were small even in the standards of their eras. Power, guns, connections, intelligence all are superior to fighting skills.

Street fighting is for bums and sports are for skilled, disciplined athletes. Whether they're big or small doesn't matter, but we all know the talent pool is bigger in lower weight classes, and thus, the competition is tougher.
 
They're not inherently less talented, they're just at a disadvantage. Plenty of examples of smaller fighters beating bigger fighters with those technical "love taps" lol. Considering the colorful language you used, you seem pretty convinced that you're right -- but I struggle to believe that you know what you are talking about.
You sound like a 140 lbs manlet, truth hurts.
 
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Just to remind you, when people fight nobody gives 2 shits about weight classes, they were invented to sell more tickets and have more fighters, if the toothpicks can beat heavyweights then they are more talented, otherwise they can go shove their fast hyperactive more "technical" love taps and bow to the truth, the truth that they are the size of the leg of a real fighter. A heavy strong fighter wins regardless of manmade commercial weight classes.

As such we conclude that only and solely heavy fighters really matter and that the toothpicks are just playing sports and games, not fighting, they are by definition less talented.

Weight classes were created in combat sports to have as much of an even playing field as possible and make them a sport where skills and athletic abilities / conditioning make the difference.

If we take your analogy, when 2 people fight if nobody cares about who's bigger then nobody cares about who's armed with what either or who's on the better performance enhancing drugs. So in that sense of real combat where we don't try to create an even playing field, you'd allow fighters to be as big as they want but also be equipped with what they want and take whatever substances they want. If what you want is real combat, then in real combat the small guy isn't going to play on an even playing field with the big guy, and most likely use better weapons, tools, numbers or environment to his advantage. It would be like racing where there's no restrictions about the vehicle you use, then it would be more about who's got the better vehicle than who's the better driver.

As such we conclude if by "fight" you mean "real combat" then it's never about making an even field in the first place and as such we should not have any rules of restrictions. And that's the opposite of what a sport is.

I am very glad lower weight classes exist because they've helped display higher level of skills in the techniques allowed within the rule-sets of those combat sports. I have more interest in who's more skilled in a combat sport and see how they display it than who's the bigger stronger guy with no technique but just pure size and strength to his advantage.
 
Weight classes were created in combat sports to have as much of an even playing field as possible and make them a sport where skills and athletic abilities / conditioning make the difference.

If we take your analogy, when 2 people fight if nobody cares about who's bigger then nobody cares about who's armed with what either or who's on the better performance enhancing drugs. So in that sense of real combat where we don't try to create an even playing field, you'd allow fighters to be as big as they want but also be equipped with what they want and take whatever substances they want. If what you want is real combat, then in real combat the small guy isn't going to play on an even playing field with the big guy, and most likely use better weapons, tools, numbers or environment to his advantage. It would be like racing where there's no restrictions about the vehicle you use, then it would be more about who's got the better vehicle than who's the better driver.

As such we conclude if by "fight" you mean "real combat" then it's never about making an even field in the first place and as such we should not have any rules of restrictions. And that's the opposite of what a sport is.

I am very glad lower weight classes exist because they've helped display higher level of skills in the techniques allowed within the rule-sets of those combat sports. I have more interest in who's more skilled in a combat sport and see how they display it than who's the bigger stronger guy with no technique but just pure size and strength to his advantage.
Tldr, if there are weightclasses there should be arm lenght classes, fight iq classes etc, argument invalid you're not "disadvantaged" if you're built like small prey you're just a worse fighter.
 
Tldr, if there are weightclasses there should be arm lenght classes, fight iq classes etc, argument invalid you're not "disadvantaged" if you're built like small prey you're just a worse fighter.

There's only so much you can filter to make it out a perfect fit without making it to niche but in Kudo for example they've created divisions combining weight and height.

What you're saying with "if you're built like small prey you're just a worse fighter", is like saying "if you got a slower car you're just a worse driver".
 
Well i think we all can agree that Sylvie is the undisputable GOAT of muay thai reporting in the english-speaking world.
 
There's only so much you can filter to make it out a perfect fit without making it to niche but in Kudo for example they've created divisions combining weight and height.

What you're saying with "if you're built like small prey you're just a worse fighter", is like saying "if you got a slower car you're just a worse driver".
except the body isnt a car we are the body the mind combined, so no its a wrong analogy.
 
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except the body isnt a car we are the body the mind combined, so no its a wrong analogy.

The body is the vehicle used for the desired outcome so it is a good analogy. There's a reason there's different classes and restrictions on racing vehicles.
 
The body is the vehicle used for the desired outcome so it is a good analogy. There's a reason there's different classes and restrictions on racing vehicles.
Nope, we ARE the body, its no vehicle, its us, the brain included
 
According to some researchers the most powerful men in paleolithic tribes were often not the physically strongest but rather those with the best social skills, alliances and resources. If we talk about combat abilities, we should also take into account other factors, not just fighting skills. Just fighting skills does not get you anywhere. Maybe to jail or to the graveyard.

In combat sports it all comes down to skills in the ring, not in the streets. The weight itself is not the most important factor, but the competitiveness of the weight class definitely is. In Muay Thai, you can't be considered a top muay thai fighter if you fight at higher weight classes with weak competition.
 
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Nope, we ARE the body, its no vehicle, its us, the brain included

Still doesn't mean those attributes can't be categorised and separated to make it a sport on an even playing field. Otherwise why even have kids division or women's division in any sport.

This is what sports is all about, competing against others on an even playing field.
 
Just ignore eddi. He is just a troll. There is nothing u can say to change that.
 
It's because he does have good sub defense, but usually his opponents TKO him. Kind of like that Chael Sonnen douche.

According to some researchers the most powerful men in paleolithic tribes were often not the physically strongest but rather those with the best social skills, alliances and resources. If we talk about combat abilities, we should also take into account other factors, not just fighting skills. Just fighting skills does not get you anywhere. Maybe to jail or to the graveyard.

In combat sports it all comes down to skills in the ring, not in the streets. The weight itself is not the most important factor, but the competitiveness of the weight class definitely is. In Muay Thai, you can't be considered a top muay thai fighter if you fight at higher weight classes with weak competition.

his point is that the bigger fighter will crush the 105 atom weight all time legend

we have weight classes.....but no length classes.....or age classes....(unless its youth or senior, nothing else)

if we take weight classes out of the equation, than the fighters from lower weight classes would be obliterated. floyd mayweather will never beat the guys that lost to mike tyson

this is fact. super skilled manlets will be murdered by less skilled heavy weights. I can see his point that goat talk should be about the bigger fighters and not the fighters that can be picked up by 1 hand of the big fighter
 
According to some researchers the most powerful men in paleolithic tribes were often not the physically strongest but rather those with the best social skills, alliances and resources. If we talk about combat abilities, we should also take into account other factors, not just fighting skills. Just fighting skills does not get you anywhere. Maybe to jail or to the graveyard.

In combat sports it all comes down to skills in the ring, not in the streets. The weight itself is not the most important factor, but the competitiveness of the weight class definitely is. In Muay Thai, you can't be considered a top muay thai fighter if you fight at higher weight classes with weak competition.
The same thing happens in more recent times, for example people from Ghana were about 20% of the people brought to Jamaica but modern Jamaicans have about 40% Ghanan DNA which is theorized to be because the Ghanans formed better social networks and alliances.
 
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