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Greatest boxer ever?

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Floyd Mayweather Jr as the greatest fighter of all time? Based on what?

Based on ncmmarookie being a big fan of him and nothing more apparently.
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I think he had the potential to be great.

But ultimately he goes down as a good fighter, not a great fighter.


Seriously, 39 fights total, and avoidance of several top fighters.

At 30 years of age, Sugar Ray Robinson boasted 128 Wins (84 KOs), 1 L(avenged), 2 D.
Stellar competition and Hall-of-Fame opposition.
Welterweight champ and later Middleweight champ in an era of 8 weight classes and 1 champ per class.


There is no comparison.


None.
 
I think
Mayweather will be an all time great, not the greatest by any stretch, but he was a good of a JLW as there ever was and the guy hardly had a rough moment in the ring. He beat Oscar, Castillo, Corrales, all future HOFers.
 
The Brown Bomber Joe Louis is still the best of All-Time though.

When two men fight, the better fighter is the guy that comes out the winner.

Pound-for-Pound is a figment of the imagination, and this thread didn't specify ANYTHING saying this was about pound-for-pound.

In post 2 of this thread, I listed Joe Louis as the best and cautioned you guys not even to mention Sugar Ray Robinson.

The better man is the guy who comes out the winner, and I reiterate:
Joe Louis would've KILLED Sugar Ray Robinson.

The true best has GOT to be an elite Heavyweight.
A middleweight or welterweight CANNOT be the best of All-Time because there's too many big guys that could kick the living crap out of them!
Best in their weight-class is as far as that goes with smaller men, but best of All-Time?
The best is the guy that can take EVERYBODY out, and that's an elite Heavyweight.

Aside from Joe Louis,
other people may choose Ali, Dempsey, Holmes, Johnson, Lennox Lewis, Marciano, or George Foreman.


Mike Tyson appeared to be on-track to becoming a true great, but he falls short compared to these other men.

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how can joe louis be the best of all time when rocky marciano knocked him out
 
Coming to America is a 1988 comedy film directed by John Landis. The screenplay was written by David Sheffield and Barry W. Blaustein, from a story by Eddie Murphy, who also stars in the film. Murphy plays an African prince who heads to the United States in hopes of finding a woman he can marry. Coming to America was the first of several films in which Murphy plays multiple characters.

Contents [hide]
1 Plot
2 Production
3 Reception
4 Cast
5 Soundtrack
6 Lawsuit
7 References
8 External links



[edit] Plot
Akeem Joffer (Eddie Murphy), the prince and heir to the throne of the fictitious African country Zamunda, is discontented with being pampered all his life. The final straw is when his parents (James Earl Jones and Madge Sinclair) present him with a bride-to-be (Vanessa Bell) he has never met before, trained to mindlessly obey his every command.

Akeem concocts a plan to travel to America to find a wife he can both love and respect. He and his servant & friend Semmi (Arsenio Hall) arrive in Queens County, New York, and after several scrapes, find an apartment in the neighborhood of Jackson Heights, and begin working at a local restaurant called McDowell's (the restaurateur's attempt to copy McDonald's) passing themselves off as students. When he first meets Akeem and Semmi, owner Mr. McDowell (John Amos) explains all the minute differences between his place and McDonald's, ending with the line, "They use the sesame seed bun. My buns have no seeds."

Akeem falls in love with Lisa (Shari Headley), Mr. McDowell's daughter, who possesses the qualities the prince is looking for. The rest of the film centers on Akeem's attempts to win Lisa's hand in marriage, while adjusting to life in America and dodging his royal duties and prerogatives. Unfortunately, Semmi is not comfortable with the life of a poor man and thus unintentionally causes a near-disaster when, alerted by a plea for more financial help, the Zamundian royal family travels to the United States. Lisa learns that Akeem is acually a prince and is at first angry and confused as to why he lied to her about it. At this point, she refuses to marry Akeem and Akeem returns to Zamunda with a broken heart. At the end, we see Akeem about to wed a bride who he discovers is Lisa. They stroll away in a carriage after the ceremony.


[edit] Production
Coming to America reunited star Eddie Murphy with director John Landis. The two had previously worked together on the comedy hit Trading Places (1983); however, Landis later recalled the differences in working with Murphy on the two movies: "The guy on Trading Places was young and full of energy and curious and funny and fresh and great. The guy on Coming to America was the pig of the world
 
Coming to America is a 1988 comedy film directed by John Landis. The screenplay was written by David Sheffield and Barry W. Blaustein, from a story by Eddie Murphy, who also stars in the film. Murphy plays an African prince who heads to the United States in hopes of finding a woman he can marry. Coming to America was the first of several films in which Murphy plays multiple characters.

Contents [hide]
1 Plot
2 Production
3 Reception
4 Cast
5 Soundtrack
6 Lawsuit
7 References
8 External links



[edit] Plot
Akeem Joffer (Eddie Murphy), the prince and heir to the throne of the fictitious African country Zamunda, is discontented with being pampered all his life. The final straw is when his parents (James Earl Jones and Madge Sinclair) present him with a bride-to-be (Vanessa Bell) he has never met before, trained to mindlessly obey his every command.

Akeem concocts a plan to travel to America to find a wife he can both love and respect. He and his servant & friend Semmi (Arsenio Hall) arrive in Queens County, New York, and after several scrapes, find an apartment in the neighborhood of Jackson Heights, and begin working at a local restaurant called McDowell's (the restaurateur's attempt to copy McDonald's) passing themselves off as students. When he first meets Akeem and Semmi, owner Mr. McDowell (John Amos) explains all the minute differences between his place and McDonald's, ending with the line, "They use the sesame seed bun. My buns have no seeds."

Akeem falls in love with Lisa (Shari Headley), Mr. McDowell's daughter, who possesses the qualities the prince is looking for. The rest of the film centers on Akeem's attempts to win Lisa's hand in marriage, while adjusting to life in America and dodging his royal duties and prerogatives. Unfortunately, Semmi is not comfortable with the life of a poor man and thus unintentionally causes a near-disaster when, alerted by a plea for more financial help, the Zamundian royal family travels to the United States. Lisa learns that Akeem is acually a prince and is at first angry and confused as to why he lied to her about it. At this point, she refuses to marry Akeem and Akeem returns to Zamunda with a broken heart. At the end, we see Akeem about to wed a bride who he discovers is Lisa. They stroll away in a carriage after the ceremony.


[edit] Production
Coming to America reunited star Eddie Murphy with director John Landis. The two had previously worked together on the comedy hit Trading Places (1983); however, Landis later recalled the differences in working with Murphy on the two movies: "The guy on Trading Places was young and full of energy and curious and funny and fresh and great. The guy on Coming to America was the pig of the world
 
Based on ncma rookie being a big fan of him and nothing more apparently.
wink01kh0.jpg


I think he had the potential to be great.

But ultimately he goes down as a good fighter, not a great fighter.


Seriously, 39 fights total, and avoidance of several top fighters.

At 30 years of age, Sugar Ray Robinson boasted 128 Wins (84 KOs), 1 L(avenged), 2 D.
Stellar competition and Hall-of-Fame opposition.
Welterweight champ and later Middleweight champ in an era of 8 weight classes and 1 champ per class.


There is no comparison.


None.

My thoughts EXACTLY!!!

Well stated sir!
 
I think
Mayweather will be an all time great, not the greatest by any stretch, but he was a good of a JLW as there ever was and the guy hardly had a rough moment in the ring. He beat Oscar, Castillo, Corrales, all future HOFers.

He never had a rough moment because he never fought anybody that great

IMO
 
Rocky marciano beat fighters wen they were well past thier prime joe louis and archie moore, just like joe calzaghe but he gets ripped on here!!

Greatest fighter ever- 1 Sugar Ray Robinson 2 Floyd Mayweather 3 Ali

Your list isnt any better with mayweather on there at second
 
The Brown Bomber Joe Louis is still the best of All-Time though.

When two men fight, the better fighter is the guy that comes out the winner.

Pound-for-Pound is a figment of the imagination, and this thread didn't specify ANYTHING saying this was about pound-for-pound.

In post 2 of this thread, I listed Joe Louis as the best and cautioned you guys not even to mention Sugar Ray Robinson.

The better man is the guy who comes out the winner, and I reiterate:
Joe Louis would've KILLED Sugar Ray Robinson..

LOL, thats funny shit
 
Genaro Hernandez?

Floyds resume is so downgraded I have a hard time telling when people are joking.

Some think Hernandez was done when he fought Floyd but Herenandez was a good fighter.
Thats the problem with most of the guys Floyd fought. Once he beat them, they were considered past their best or overrated. Manfreddy, Chavez, Mitchell...
 
Jesus Chavez was a good fighter. I think the problem is that people hype Mayweather so much that people go too far to the other side when debating the point.

Mayweather fought some very good fighters, and he was a great fighter. One of the best at the lighter classes. But he is not at the very top, and that's where a lot of newer fans like to place him.
 
Jesus Chavez was a good fighter. I think the problem is that people hype Mayweather so much that people go too far to the other side when debating the point.

Mayweather fought some very good fighters, and he was a great fighter. One of the best at the lighter classes. But he is not at the very top, and that's where a lot of newer fans like to place him.

Hes tough to rank. Hes definetly not top 5, probably it'd be tough to make a case for top 10 even.

He did fight some quality guys and aside from a close call against Castillo, hes not just won, but hes won pretty clearly and without ever being really hurt by anyone. I think hes a notch above pretty much everyone around his weight in this era, but it seems this era of fighters isn't really well respected.

Hes probably going to end up fighting Pacquiao and if he wins that one, it bumps him up a tad in the all time rankings. Probably still no top 10 though.
 
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