Greatest boxer ever?

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BEST EVER?

God ---SO many others that might be considered. Most obviously Ray Robinson but also Sam Langford, Harry Greb, Roberto Duran, Dempsey, Jack Johnson, Marvin Hagler, Archie Moore, Willie Pep and Sandy Sadler. And yes, obviously, the Brown Bomber.

Some of these guy had to fight as many contests as Roy Jones did just to get their title shots!! (No knock on Jones)

If I had to guess:
1) Robinson
2) Louis (on consistency)
3) Langford
4) Duran (in spite of lack of disapline a phenominal athelete with great heart)
5) Greb (never saw him but you can't beat so many without awesome ability)
6) Willie Pep--Small, relatively frail, but such an magnificent pure boxer it never mattered --save against Sadler.
7) Sadler--sorry I should have placed him 6th. Overpowering for a man of his weight.
8) Hagler--switch hitter supreme. Smooth as Jones in his youth who addapted into a Dempsey like tuff guy in middle age. Chin of Steel.
9) Jack Johnson. Annoying, often dull, but mostly indomitable.
10) ALI vastly overated but certainly the quickest and, more important,the most adaptive Heavyweight in history.
 
paloomo said:
BEST EVER?

God ---SO many others that might be considered. Most obviously Ray Robinson but also Sam Langford, Harry Greb, Roberto Duran, Dempsey, Jack Johnson, Marvin Hagler, Archie Moore, Willie Pep and Sandy Sadler. And yes, obviously, the Brown Bomber.

Some of these guy had to fight as many contests as Roy Jones did just to get their title shots!! (No knock on Jones)

If I had to guess:
1) Robinson
2) Louis (on consistency)
3) Langford
4) Duran (in spite of lack of disapline a phenominal athelete with great heart)
5) Greb (never saw him but you can't beat so many without awesome ability)
6) Willie Pep--Small, relatively frail, but such an magnificent pure boxer it never mattered --save against Sadler.
7) Sadler--sorry I should have placed him 6th. Overpowering for a man of his weight.
8) Hagler--switch hitter supreme. Smooth as Jones in his youth who addapted into a Dempsey like tuff guy in middle age. Chin of Steel.
9) Jack Johnson. Annoying, often dull, but mostly indomitable.
10) ALI vastly overated but certainly the quickest and, more important,the most adaptive Heavyweight in history.
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I still fail to see why anybody would rank louis above ali shit i have george foreman above joe louis

ali created alot of hype for himself but he lived up to it on alot of ocassions

louis had the fortunes of fighting in a weak era of heavyweight boxing
 
I would go with Mike Tyson when he was young and hungry.

I think he would beat Ali, i know what the comments would be he wouldnt be able to catch Ali, cant hit what you cant catch etc.. but Joe Frazier did and broke his jaw, and personally i think Tyson in his pomp would beat Frazier comfortably.

I would have Sugar Ray up there with them 2 at the pinnacle of boxing
 
webeballin said:
louis had the fortunes of fighting in a weak era of heavyweight boxing
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Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe, Billy Conn, Baer (both of em), Schmeling, Braddock, Sharkey, Carnera...most of these guys he fought more than once.
 
webeballin said:
louis had the fortunes of fighting in a weak era of heavyweight boxing
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Muhammad Ali : The BEST Years !

Brian London 1966
Karl Mildenberger 1966
Zora Folley 1967
Jimmy Ellis 1971
Buster Mathis 1971
Juergen Blin 1971
Mac Foster 1972
Alvin Lewis 1972
Joe Bugner 1973 and 1975
Rudi Lubbers 1973
Chuck Wepner 1975
Jean-Pierre Coopman 1976
Jimmy Young 1976
Richard Dunne 1976

WHOOOOO-HOOOOOOOO, MURDERER'S ROW !!!


^ Joe Louis nor Dempsey nor Marciano nor Tyson could NEVER have beat that stellar competition !
They were all Champions just because they all fought in weak eras.

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mschatz said:
Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe, Billy Conn, Baer (both of em), Schmeling, Braddock, Sharkey, Carnera...most of these guys he fought more than once.
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you are just listing a bunch of heavyweight boxers that fought in that era,they wernt bad but none of them were great they were good boxers that only the harcore and historians would know

schmeling will always be known as the nazi boxer(even though he wasnt)

take somebody like jerry quarry i would rank him above all of those above,he wasnt a champion because he had the misfortunes in fighting in a great era
 
webeballin said:
you are just listing a bunch of heavyweight boxers that fought in that era,they wernt bad but none of them were great they were good boxers that only the harcore and historians would know

schmeling will always be known as the nazi boxer(even though he wasnt)

take somebody like jerry quarry i would rank him above all of those above,he wasnt a champion because he had the misfortunes in fighting in a great era
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I'm not sure what argument you are making in red above. Of course, guys that fought several generations ago are going to be less well-known than fighters today or of just a decade or two ago. I don't see how that makes them less of a fighter.

Jerry Quarry was a good fighter, yes...
 
bradlee180 said:
Muhammad Ali : The BEST Years !

Brian London 1966
Karl Mildenberger 1966
Zora Folley 1967
Jimmy Ellis 1971
Buster Mathis 1971
Juergen Blin 1971
Mac Foster 1972
Alvin Lewis 1972
Joe Bugner 1973 and 1975
Rudi Lubbers 1973
Chuck Wepner 1975
Jean-Pierre Coopman 1976
Jimmy Young 1976
Richard Dunne 1976

WHOOOOO-HOOOOOOOO, MURDERER'S ROW !!!


^ Joe Louis nor Dempsey nor Marciano nor Tyson could NEVER have beat that stellar competition !
They were all Champions just because they all fought in weak eras.

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that kind of competition was equal or better than dempseys and louis's opposition

these kind of fighters are considered good wins for ali if louis or dempsey would have beat them then they would be considered great wins


the difference between the fighters you listen and the other guy listed were the best fighters louis fought and some good fill in wins ali picked up


the vast majority of the boxers you listed were damn good boxers even though you pass them off as scrubs


and no they were champions because they were the best..............of that era sorry but in terms of actual talent i place the 60's,70's and 90's ahead of the eras you listed



and i dont hate louis or dempsey believe it or not
 
i should probably quit this thread by now

by the way bradlee i left you a response on the ali berbick thread please go see it as i would appreciate an answer because you're comment caught my attention
 
At his absolute angriest, mike Tyson would beat anyone. not on technique or skill, but pure rage.
 
Bartley Gorman.

Ali chickened out of a fight with him when they met!
 
iohc86 said:
Rocky Marciano weighed 187 by choice. Heavyweights back then were more cut, leaner and faster. Marciano cut his weight in order to maintain his speed and hi work rate. Which is why Marciano never gassed and was able to pummel fighters with sledgehammer blows round after round without any sign of fatigue.

Read up on Rockys diet. He would chew on steaks just for the juices then spit the rest out. Rocky had a monstrous appetite yet restricted himself to maintain his weight. He even ballooned to over 250 lbs after retirement. If Rocky were to fight in todays division, he would no doubt weigh over 200. And I personally believe size is overrated. Prime Ali(the one who beat Liston in one round) weighed 205 on fight night. This Ali would have beaten everyone in the current heavyweight division. Take a look at Evander Holyfield. He took a prime Riddick Bowe to a close decision at 205 lbs. Prime Riddick Bow was a giant of a man with incredible skills. He would have given Lewis on a good night fits. Yet he was unable to knock out Holyfield and ended up edging a close decision. Rocky would do well in todays division. Him and Holyfield are similar in some aspects. The difference was that Rocky hit far harder, had a much stronger chin and an infinite gas tank. While Holyfield had better technical skills.

I can see a 205 pound Marciano out working todays fat heavyweights to the point of exhaustion and eventually knocking them out. Although I do agree with you on Marciano not being the GOAT. That title belongs to Ali.
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Nice one, the hting is though, Rocky was drug free, Holyfield............................
 
haven't read through the whole thread here but any shouts for charley burley? Its all subjective but Duran would be the one i'd pay to watch.
 
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