Gordon Ryan slaps Andre Galvao UPDATE: Andre speaks outch

Pancake Sprawl said:
see that's what i thought. it's like it's its own thing now. before it was created for self defense but now it's all been parred down to understanding the rules and applying counters with meta knowledge, like how leg locks have made a resurgence in BJJ.

i guess i'm wondering, what the fuck is the point of BJJ anymore? before it was hand and hand with MMA/self defense/vale tudo, now it's like some weird hybrid of itself.
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It's still great when you're in top position on the ground for advancing position and getting the submission and it is technically the best art off of your back as well, though being on bottom isn't really effective in MMA. Also, it's not easy to just sit up and escape Imanari rolls or 50/50 pulls, I just don't think there are a lot of efficient/knowledgeable 50/50 guard pullers in MMA.
 
elwani said:
It’s only a joke but at the same time there is a kernel of truth in it. The truth is that you can be a bitch and do BJJ seriously, but you cannot be a bitch and do any of the other things you mentioned seriously, perhaps for no more complicated a reason than they involve getting punched in the face.
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Huge bitch at my gym about to get his black belt. Amazing at slow rolls and semi live when he knows people won't slam him. Consistently gets dominated in tournaments.
Bjj is for geeks.
Don't worry guys I'm a geek too, no judgement.
 
Brca031 said:
Bunch of juiceheads holding wrists and hands.
Imagine juicing and grinding with men 24/7.
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sounds like a good time pal
 
How do so many fight fans know so little about grappling? Just because someone learns the sport techniques doesn’t mean they don’t still know the basics. Gary Tonon is doing Really well in one, aioki has been a very good fighter for like 15 years too. I think bjj players can learn a lot from aioki who simplified his game in recent years similar to Maia now, but I will agree a lot of bjj guys are dorks. Pressure passing and body lock passing are big in grappling now which is cool, but the two guys playing leg lock is the worst, I will agree with anyone on that.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
i cannot take competitive BJJ seriously for 2 reasons.

1. gentle art is filled with a bunch of steroid users.

2. now that the art has had time to evolve, is it still practical or is so much of the meta of the "grappling only" styles basically watering down the practicality of it in MMA? i'm asking not stating because i don't watch enough BJJ to have a firm opinion but it seems like it's getting watered down.
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Every professional sports has steroid issues . Stop it.
 
Galvao has been ducking Gordon Ryan for a long time. I guess he needs the money now.
 
I don't keep up with BJJ but I ain't know these guys just slap each other like this and walk away lol
 
kenetics said:
Every professional sports has steroid issues . Stop it.
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it wasn't a sport. it was a martial art for practical use. i'm just saying for me it's hard to take serious when the philosophy of the art was "gentle" and yet it's dominated by musclebound no necks.

i guess it's because i'm from the days when BJJ experts looked like normal dudes. Murilo Bustamante, Mario Sperry, Nogueira, Werdum, BJ Penn, Demian Maia. there was some guys who were built like gorillas don't get me wrong. like Arona, Jeff Monson, and Paulo Filho, but there were way more normal looking dudes than big freaks like those guys. now when i see BJJ guys they all look shredded or heavily muscled compared to guys from before.

but i guess i just liked when BJJ was more about MMA or street fighting defense than it was about the intricacies of details of maneuvers that Brock Lesnar still doesn't even know the names of.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
it wasn't a sport. it was a martial art for practical use. i'm just saying for me it's hard to take serious when the philosophy of the art was "gentle" and yet it's dominated by musclebound no necks.

i guess it's because i'm from the days when BJJ experts looked like normal dudes. Murilo Bustamante, Mario Sperry, Nogueira, Werdum, BJ Penn, Demian Maia. there was some guys who were built like gorillas don't get me wrong. like Arona, Jeff Monson, and Paulo Filho, but there were way more normal looking dudes than big freaks like those guys. now when i see BJJ guys they all look shredded or heavily muscled compared to guys from before.

but i guess i just liked when BJJ was more about MMA or street fighting defense than it was about the intricacies of details of maneuvers that Brock Lesnar still doesn't even know the names of.
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You're right, martial arts more specifically bjj was more of a martial arts in the past but when good money was able to be made like any other paying sport. It was flooded with PED, so no even martial arts in not immune to it.

People want to win, and make money. The only way to stay on top is to have the edge anyway possible. Sadly as that may be, it's the reality of all sports which bjj is now.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
it wasn't a sport. it was a martial art for practical use. i'm just saying for me it's hard to take serious when the philosophy of the art was "gentle" and yet it's dominated by musclebound no necks.

i guess it's because i'm from the days when BJJ experts looked like normal dudes. Murilo Bustamante, Mario Sperry, Nogueira, Werdum, BJ Penn, Demian Maia. there was some guys who were built like gorillas don't get me wrong. like Arona, Jeff Monson, and Paulo Filho, but there were way more normal looking dudes than big freaks like those guys. now when i see BJJ guys they all look shredded or heavily muscled compared to guys from before.

but i guess i just liked when BJJ was more about MMA or street fighting defense than it was about the intricacies of details of maneuvers that Brock Lesnar still doesn't even know the names of.
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This is the evolution of most sports.
 
this era of competition is ruled by whoever has the better wrestling and roids. its purely that. Ban PEDS and start doing no time limit matches, sub wins only or it fucking goes on until someone gasses out.
 
Yep said:
This is the evolution of most sports.
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yes i get that. what i'm saying is, any other sport didn't have the specific philosophy of not to meet force with force, but to yield to your opponent's force and take what he gives you to defeat him. let's compare it to wrestling. i don't have a problem with the Brock Lesnar's of the world who most likely were roiding from high school. why? because wrestling's philosophy, from the beginning of time, has always been about manipulating your opponents through physical strength and peak conditioning. getting as jacked and as strong as possible makes sense for wrestlers, after all that's the philosophy behind their art.

but how can i take these BJJ guys seriously now a days when they're basically going against their own martial arts' philosophy? they're over there trying to sell BJJ classes with "strength doesn't matter" quotes while the guy telling you these things looks like a shaved silverback gorilla.
 
GoatArtemLobov said:
I love BJJ but Gordon needs to stop pretending he is a badass "fighter", sport BJJ is a complete niche sport and its applicability to real fighting (that's to say MMA) has become laughable.
Not to mention Gi bjj who almost hasn't anything in common with fighting anymore.
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IBJJF Gi competitions are a game more than a combat sport now. And I'll be flamed for saying that
 
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