Gordon Ryan explains why Sambo > BJJ in MMA

[VinceArch]

I wonder who started this bullshit…..

Almost ten years later and we’re still dealing with it lol.

From quite a few people who have given their opinions on the matter since Khabib wore that it would seem that he isn't the only one who thinks so.

 

[Poirierfan]

All I'd have to do is follow Bryce Mitchell's Instagram lol.

Please don't, we like you as you are. Lmao, we would have to send you off to rehab to convert your brain back to normal.

 

[JustBleed69]

The man knows, now let's hear all the "expert" sherdoger takes that are inevitably incoming.

Gordon doesn't do MMA or Sambo, so his words arent religion, he can still say incorrect things.

That being said, I mostly agree with what he said.

 

[JustBleed69]

Davi Ramos was an ADCC champion, the highest level of no gi jiujitsu, and Islam man handled him on the ground.

 

[Kha'bless]

Don't forget about that BJJ expert which just stayed on the ground rolling around trying to catch his opponents legs and got KO'd lmao, think Firas was his coach.

 

[Hdfi]

Borralho defeated Muradov in the same card.

 

[Kha'bless]

Davi Ramos was an ADCC champion, the highest level of no gi jiujitsu, and Islam man handled him on the ground.

But...but...bu...b.... he didn't know how to wrestle, is there excuse.

 

[StonedLemur]

Please don't, we like you as you are. Lmao, we would have to send you off to rehab to convert your brain back to normal.

Yeah good idea, I'm already fuckin retarded enough lol

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Davi Ramos was an ADCC champion, the highest level of no gi jiujitsu, and Islam man handled him on the ground.

Tbf from memory Islam was quite careful about properly engaging with Davi initially, it was Arman who didn't give a shit and just engaged him in the grappling straight away.

Artem Reznikov recently did the same thing with Ramos in ACA.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

From quite a few people who have given their opinions on the matter since Khabib wore that it would seem that he isn't the only one who thinks so.

Very pointless thing to say but ok

 

[ImNotMirsadBektic]

He could have just said they're better wrestlers and BJJ doesn't work as well under a broader ruleset. Not sure what qualifies as "world level" if Davi Ramos winning ADCC doesn't count, because Islam 30-26'd him too. Is he suggesting BJJ guys would do better im MMA if they didn't train mma and just relied on BJJ?

The Makhachev Ramos fight was a stand up affair until Islam rocked him with a knee in the 3rd round. Though Ramos Tsarukyan showed us even ADCC tier grapplers will struggle against top tier Samboists (though Ramos' top game is better than his guard game).

I think ADCCers with top tier guard games would do better on the ground, but even then it is hard to submit Samboists within a 3-5 round fight with 5 minutes per round. Look how long it takes grapplers to get a sub in no time limit grappling fights. Also, if the BJJ based fighter doesn't get a sub he will lose the fight on the scorecards. So under the current ruleset I favor top tier Sambo over top tier BJJ even on the ground, not to mention the fact that those Samboists can make it a full stand up fight as well if they want to (since they dictate where the fight takes place).

All in all Sambo is a much better base to build your MMA game around than BJJ.

 

[Dana's Moonface]

Every fighter needs to know BJJ, but it isn't or hasn't been the dominant art for a long time, though it's still necessary

Judo gets scoffed at by many and it isn't obviously the preferred grappling art, that's a mix of wrestling and bjj

However, having expertise in Judo is the icing on the cake and many experienced fighters struggle to defend against it when up against the cage

Khabib/Islam are a new breed of grappler and can mix their style perfectly with striking

Some idiot last night (can't remember who) dared Islam to fight Gordon Ryan in mma? Lol

A 200 plus pound Islam would destroy Gordon in mma, or the street easily

 

[VinceArch]

Very pointless thing to say but ok

It's only pointless to you but that's ok.

 

[jackleeb]

Every fighter needs to know BJJ, but it isn't or hasn't been the dominant art for a long time, though it's still necessary

Judo gets scoffed at by many and it isn't obviously the preferred grappling art, that's a mix of wrestling and bjj

However, having expertise in Judo is the icing on the cake and many experienced fighters struggle to defend against it when up against the cage

Khabib/Islam are a new breed of grappler and can mix their style perfectly with striking

Some idiot last night (can't remember who) dared Islam to fight Gordon Ryan in mma? Lol

A 200 plus pound Islam would destroy Gordon in mma, or the street easily

Good explanation.

BJJ and Judo are essential skills to "add" to MMA base, but don't need to completely master.
For example, Jiri Prochazka (Muay Thai) defeated Satoshi Ishii (Judo Olympic Gold Medalist) in MMA (Rizin)

 

[siidi]

Davi Ramos is a good example of previous ceneration top tier bjj. He won ADCC in 2015. After that the new aproach took over. So Gordon isn't referring to him or his peers of older style bjj. The younger generation (younger than Gordon) are doing more wrestling and top pressure type of jiu jitsu and just crushing the old guard. This style will be more usable in mma. But as stated before, no striking involved, hich is a huge problem when transitioning to mma. You can always see when a fighter isn't conditioned early enough to take a punch in the face unfazed.

 

[Hdfi]

only 3 champions in the entire UFC history were sambo-based fighters...

 

[kflo]

Sambo incorporates striking and wrestling, BJJ doesn't.

Sambo has methods to dictate the pace and style of the fight, BJJ doesn't.

Sambo is a better base for MMA.

Combat sambo is a rulesets that incorporates other martial arts. It’s not comparable to bjj.

again people don’t like to acknowledge aleks was a 3x world champion in combat sambo. He was helpless on the ground against werdum.

these top mma fighters train mma. The better they are at dictating the fight to their strengths the more success they generally find. Anyone focusing on one art will lose. Combat sambo is an art like unified rules of mma is an art…..

 

[Luckyme]

Chael Sonnen needs to see this. He has no idea what Sambo is.

To be fair to Chael, there are different styles of Sambo which leads to confusion. Freestyle, sport, and combat Sambo are the 3 main types with all being influenced by wrestling and judo to varying degrees.

Combat Sambo incorporates striking as well and is basically the same as MMA. This is the style of Sambo that Khabib and Islam come from.

It's not hard then to see why someone trained in a grappling system that includes strikes and wrestling will adapt to MMA better than a BJJ player.

 

[kingmob6]

To be fair to Chael, there are different styles of Sambo which leads to confusion. Freestyle, sport, and combat Sambo are the 3 main types with all being influenced by wrestling and judo to varying degrees.

Combat Sambo incorporates striking as well and is basically the same as MMA. This is the style of Sambo that Khabib and Islam come from.

It's not hard then to see why someone trained in a grappling system that includes strikes and wrestling will adapt to MMA better than a BJJ player.

no bro, we mostly refer to combat sambo. Chael literally has no idea what Sambo is, I've heard him talk about it multiple times, and he literally clueless about it, no reason to find excuses on his behalf. His grappling background has nothing to do with it, he just never read the ruleset or seen a single match.

 

[KeiranMc]

This whole sambo vs. BJJ thing is dumb. These guys are all mma fighters, and some are better at it than others.

Fine post dear sir.