Elections GOP Road to 2016 Primary Thread

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Adamant said:
Shit, I wonder what this says about Paul's chances of being elected? Is he officially a long shot?


And what about Cruz? Is he officially a front runner?
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It means big money neo-con evangelists are going all out
 
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COTUR1@43 said:
Basically the problem is though if he goes on CNBC, MSNBC, CNN, NBC they don't like him and try to make false assertions right off the bat so he gets defensive.
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You've got to hate false assertions like quotes of things you've said and positions you've stated. Dirty journalism. :rolleyes:
 
Dochter said:
You've got to hate false assertions like quotes of things you've said and positions you've stated. Dirty journalism. :rolleyes:
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Rand has been playing both sides lately on a few issues (Vaccines, foreign policy, defense spending, domestic spending, etc)
 
Head to head polls are really tightening with Hillary. Here are a few that she is losing in

Iowa v. Paul
Paul +1

Colorado v. Paul
Paul +3

Colorado v. Rubio
Rubio +1

Colorado v. Walker
Walker +1

Iowa v. Huckabee
Tie

Colorado v. Huckabee
Tie

She still has a very strong lead in head to head matchup in Virginia, averaging around +8. Colorado


If Republicans pick up Ohio/Florida (they need that to even exist) along with Colorado, they would still need to flip Wisconsin (10) or both Nevada(6)/Iowa(6) to win the nomination. The path is thin but there could be new possible battleground states. I also am assuming North Carolina will be red in this scenario.
 
wisdom blows said:
no we dont. quite the opposite.
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How long should the country spend 40% more than we take in for revenue? I know there are arguments for spending in crisis and debt spending to pace of GDP growth but none of those really justify consistent 40%. Are you proposing to add $1 trillion in new tax revenues? That's fairly steep to increase revenues 40%.

Give some details.
 
FACT CHECK: Rand Paul's budget plan
Paul told his campaign-kickoff crowd Tuesday: "Currently some $3 trillion comes into the U.S. Treasury. Couldn't the country just survive on $3 trillion? I propose we do something extraordinary. Let's just spend what comes in."

What comes in: The government is projected to collect $3.5 trillion in revenue next year.

Where it goes: Of that money, nearly $2.5 trillion will go for Social Security, Medicare and other automatically paid benefit programs, and $277 billion to pay interest on the debt. That's according to projections from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

What's left: If spending no more than that $3.5 trillion, the government would have $800 billion left over to pay for the Defense Department, Homeland Security and the budgets of every other federal agency. That's one-third less than the $1.2 trillion those agencies are currently projected to spend.
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The article starts out with the basis of putting all domestic spending in and then saying hey, defensive spending takes us over the budget. It's BI, so try to take it for what it's worth.
 
Chris Christie plots his comeback
Whatever happened to Chris Christie?

The question has percolated in GOP circles since the new year began, with presidential primary state activists wondering why the New Jersey governor isn't doing a better job keeping in touch and rival GOP campaigns happily pointing to Christie's diminished stature in the polls.

Even sympathetic Republicans are scratching their heads.

"Every other candidate is showing up here, and people are coming to me like, 'What's going on?'" said South Carolina State Rep. Phyllis Henderson, who just a few months ago was preparing to serve as a key Christie point person in the early primary state. "And I really don't know what they are doing here. I haven't had any indication that they are planning to visit or what the plan is. I haven't really talked to them in a while."
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Carly Fiorina Right About Environmentalists and California Drought Woes, Farm Groups SayCarly Fiorina Right About Environmentalists and California Drought Woes, Farm Groups Say
The water wars have begun.

Former Hewlett-Packard CEO and potential 2016 Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina is blaming "overzealous liberal environmentalists" for the water shortages caused by California's ongoing drought. In a radio interview earlier in the week with Glenn Beck, and in a Tuesday an op-ed in Time, Fiorina has made the case that the water rationing instituted by Governor Jerry Brown could have been avoided. The problem, Fiorina says, is that the state has allowed environmental activists to influence policy.

"Specifically, these policies have resulted in the diversion of more than 300 billion gallons of water away from farmers in the Central Valley and into the San Francisco Bay in order to protect the Delta smelt, an endangered fish that environmentalists have continued to champion at the expense of Californians. This water is simply being washed out to sea, instead of being channeled to the people who desperately need it," Fiorina wrote in Time. "While they have watched this water wash out to sea, liberals have simultaneously prevented the construction of a single new reservoir or a single new water conveyance system over decades."
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I heard her talk about this. I'd really like to see a Dem/GOP debate over this issue because Brown seems to have blamed climate change/drought while others have been saying this has been a failure of long term central planning. If so, that would be laughable for such a deep blue state.
 
Would be great if millions of Californians died of thirst but the Delta Smelt flourished.
 
Ivan Moser said:
Would be great if millions of Californians died of thirst but the Delta Smelt flourished.
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Water is going to become an issue in coming years. You can't artificially hold down the prices while also letting industry (and people to a degree) abuse the use.

I think humanities further development is going to depend on how well we figure out a technology to filter ocean water for daily use.
 
Lead Salad said:
Chris Christie plots his comeback
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Indictments are coming down next week for Bridgegate. He's likely to not be indicted, but more than a couple higher ups from his inner circle will be - Highest seems to be Samson who recently retired from his law firm and his connection to it being scrubbed from it's history.

Christie will likely use lack of indictment as a spring board saying "see I did nothing wrong", but I don't think he has a chance in hell of making any waves in GOP primary because the indictments will be so close to him that it will be connected to him, not to mention the shitty NJ economy right now.

Any support he gets will pull from Jeb though - so Jeb/Bushies will attack him early/often through back channels initially.
 
Ivan Moser said:
Would be great if millions of Californians died of thirst but the Delta Smelt flourished.
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Of course the Delta Smelt are actually imperiled because of ag drying out the San Joaquin and ag uses most of CA's water and has done so recklessly for decades because they had the political pull to keep prices low.
 
Lead Salad said:
I heard her talk about this. I'd really like to see a Dem/GOP debate over this issue because Brown seems to have blamed climate change/drought while others have been saying this has been a failure of long term central planning. If so, that would be laughable for such a deep blue state.
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Water rights/use has always been a localized issue and locally has been dominated by ag and industry.
 
ShoelessRye said:
Indictments are coming down next week for Bridgegate. He's likely to not be indicted, but more than a couple higher ups from his inner circle will be - Highest seems to be Samson who recently retired from his law firm and his connection to it being scrubbed from it's history.

Christie will likely use lack of indictment as a spring board saying "see I did nothing wrong", but I don't think he has a chance in hell of making any waves in GOP primary because the indictments will be so close to him that it will be connected to him, not to mention the shitty NJ economy right now.

Any support he gets will pull from Jeb though - so Jeb/Bushies will attack him early/often through back channels initially.
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Yea, I'm questioning whether he will even make it to the debates at this point. He is above the 5% mark though. Jeb's polls really helped with Christie's decline. He may have already closed his bracket out before a single debate.

Have any good names for the next thread? I got nothing at this point
"Shift to the Right Edition"
"I Can't Believe He's Not George Edition"
 
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Dochter said:
Water rights/use has always been a localized issue and locally has been dominated by ag and industry.
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Yea, it obviously is going to need to change if we can have a fuck up this large in scale.
 
Lead Salad said:
Head to head polls are really tightening with Hillary. Here are a few that she is losing in

Iowa v. Paul
Paul +1

Colorado v. Paul
Paul +3

Colorado v. Rubio
Rubio +1

Colorado v. Walker
Walker +1

Iowa v. Huckabee
Tie

Colorado v. Huckabee
Tie

She still has a very strong lead in head to head matchup in Virginia, averaging around +8. Colorado


If Republicans pick up Ohio/Florida (they need that to even exist) along with Colorado, they would still need to flip Wisconsin (10) or both Nevada(6)/Iowa(6) to win the nomination. The path is thin but there could be new possible battleground states. I also am assuming North Carolina will be red in this scenario.
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I cannot imagine a worse ticket than Hilliary v Walker or Hilliary v Jeb
 
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