Elections GOP 2016 Primary Thread V4: Can Trump be Trumped Edition

so heres a new poll out today
"i will win the latino vote"
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Trump with Paul or Rubio as a running mate could be very very interesting.
 
If there are really any people who voted for Rand in the first poll and then Trump in the second, you do not vote based on ideology/policy at all. The poll is early but it's shocking how hard the Rand support was first time around and now that somehow shifted to Trump? Pro-Life Libertarian to Secular Protectionist?..... ha!
 
From the above:

"66% of Trump's supporters believe that Obama is a Muslim to just 12% that grant he's a Christian. 61% think Obama was not born in the United States to only 21% who accept that he was. And 63% want to amend the Constitution to eliminate birthright citizenship, to only 20% who want to keep things the way they are."

Well, it seems everything I've read here on WHO Trumps supporters are is about right.

"Only among supporters of John Kasich (58/13), Jeb Bush (56/18), Chris Christie (59/33), and Marco Rubio (42/30) are there more people who think President Obama was born in the United States than that he wasn't. And when you look at whose supporters are more inclined to think that the President is a Christian than a Muslim the list shrinks to just Christie (55/29), Kasich (41/22), and Bush (29/22). Bush's inability to appeal to the kind of people who hold these beliefs is what's keeping him from succeeding in the race- his overall favorability is 39/42, and with voters identifying themselves as 'very conservative' it's all the way down at 33/48."

Huh. So Jeb Bush is struggling to connect with the party because he doesn't connect well with the "Obama was born in Kenya and is a secret Muslim" crowd.

That's...not unexpected, but interesting to actually read.
 
Most of Trump's answers to every question is;

"we are going to be looking at that, and a bunch of other things..."

I think that's swell.
 
Fight To Win said:
Trump with Paul or Rubio as a running mate could be very very interesting.
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Zero chance for either.

Both have attacked Trump, and he responded in kind.

There wouldn't be any advantage whatsoever with Paul, who's barely hanging onto the support to stay on the main stage at the debates.
 
I just listened to the source of the Trump/Cruz articles about Cruz supposedly being offered the VP slot, and it actually is an interview Trump did on the Laura Ingram show.

She asks Trump who he's thinking about for a VP, he says he's getting along with alot of the other candidates, but he likes to think about winning first, and it's still early.

Ingram asks if he could narrow it down a bit, and asks him about Cruz. Trump says he likes and grets along with Cruz, and later says Cruz agrees with him on almost everything.That's the end of discussion about Cruz.

So, the articles about a confirmation of a Trump/Cruz ticket are exaggerated.

I should have exported the source before diving into it as far as I did earlier.
 
I just don't get how a nation of over 300 million people can only have 2 parties to choose from. You have two choices and both controlled by the same people. So in the end it really doesn't matter who wins the election.
 
If Trump does end up getting the nod, I think Cruz would make a fine VP with him. (be a good choice)
 
Gervinho said:
I just don't get how a nation of over 300 million people can only have 2 parties to choose from. You have two choices and both controlled by the same people. So in the end it really doesn't matter who wins the election.
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Hacking Democracy.
 
I don't think much of Fiorina, but I think she deserves the spot. I would definitely be okay with Christie being shown the door.

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Gervinho said:
I just don't get how a nation of over 300 million people can only have 2 parties to choose from. You have two choices and both controlled by the same people. So in the end it really doesn't matter who wins the election.
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We have something like 7 but only 2 are allowed in the debates. Possibly 3, but it's extremely unlikely.
 
^One anonymous source to "Brietbart Texas"? I'll wait for a bigger, more reputable news source to pick this up - or a Repub Congressman to run with it so there has to be an official denial. I just can't see all eight trying to get through at the same time, together (or in two groups) and crossing at a legal crossing rather than trying to get across illegally. If terrorists made it that far, I think they'd try to be much less conspicuous.

As for Syrian passports - for $250 you can be Syrian too - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/17/how-easy-is-it-to-buy-fake-syrian-passport

All Syrian passports are going to be seen as useless and valueless going forward.
 
Rand Paul is the most cerebral and least ideological candidate.
 
GOP group plans most aggressive anti-Trump campaign yet
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John Kasich has attacked Donald Trump relentlessly in debates and now his super PAC is planning to invest $2.5 million in the most aggressive takedown of the poll leader yet — on behalf of an increasingly anxious GOP establishment.
The attack, according to a blueprint shared with POLITICO, will play out over the next two months on radio, TV, mail and online in New Hampshire. Strategists with the pro-Kasich group, called New Day for America, say the budget for the anti-Trump campaign is likely to grow.
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Trump explodes after pro-Kasich group unveils anti-Trump campaign
Donald Trump went on a Twitter rampage late Thursday after POLITICO revealed that a GOP group was planning to spend at least $2.5 million on an ad campaign aggressively targeting the real estate mogul, whose four-month stint atop the Republican primary polls has alarmed many in the party establishment.
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SidJustice said:
I do not even see how that could be legal.
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Yeah, I was wondering the same thing, I mean, how can you legally stop a billionaire from going off and running as a third party? For the record, I think Trump is bluffing, he's an idiot, but he's not stupid, he knows he would accomplish nothing by running as an I...unless he really wanted to stick it to the GOP and cost them the election, which would tickle my funny bone.
 
Been watching a few of the cable news channels and they're all jumping on Trump for not correcting that guy that said Obama is a Muslim.

Knowing Trump, he's probably going to double down on this, and there's ammo to do it.



Yeah, people would say "It's just a slip-up." But I don't know many religious people that slip up on what religion they are.

As for Hillary calling on Trump to apologize to Obama, perhaps she should apologize first.



"Not as far as I know" being the token words of the quote.

And one thing that the news is failing to address, so what if he is a Muslim? They're acting like it's a kind of slur.
 
Rep. Mia Love endorses Rubio
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Utah Rep. Mia Love announced her endorsement of Marco Rubio on Thursday, in the latest coup for the Florida senator among his congressional colleagues, highlighting her belief in his national security credentials.
Love, widely regarded as one of the Republican Party's rising stars, met with Rubio in her home state last month for a roundtable with business leaders and a campaign rally. The Utah Republican rose to prominence with her speech at the 2012 GOP convention, winning her seat in last year's midterm elections. The daughter of Haitian immigrants fleeing from the country's secret police, Love said she found much in common with the life story of the senator, whose parents immigrated from Cuba in the 1950s.
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Marco Rubio scores megadonor Frank VanderSloot
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Sen. Marco Rubio has bagged another Republican megadonor: billionaire Frank VanderSloot.
VanderSloot, the former national finance co-chairman for Mitt Romney, said he would support the Florida senator and 2016 candidate, adding to the group of wealthy funders who have backed Rubio — including Paul Singer and Cliff Asness, a major hedge fund manager.
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"Marco Rubio is the brightest and most capable candidate. He has the uncanny ability to state his positions clearly in a way that resonates with the average voter," VanderSloot said in a letter explaining his endorsement.
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Marco Rubio Dazzles and Disappoints Republicans on Foreign Policy
Elliott Abrams, an influential thinker in conservative foreign-policy circles dating back to the Reagan administration, has twice been surprised by Marco Rubio. Once more pleasantly than the other.
The first time was in 2010, when Rubio was seeking a U.S. Senate seat and wanted advice. Abrams, a Harvard-educated, London School of Economics-trained foreign policy expert, expected to school the former state lawmaker and city councilman on geopolitics. Instead, Abrams found himself taking in the young Republican’s “quite startling” breadth of knowledge on global issues.
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Flamma said:
Rand Paul is the most cerebral and least ideological candidate.
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Not sure if I completely agree with that but it is odd his father is one of the most ideological politicians out there. Maybe it was a good case study for him in what not to do.
 
Makani said:
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing, I mean, how can you legally stop a billionaire from going off and running as a third party? For the record, I think Trump is bluffing, he's an idiot, but he's not stupid, he knows he would accomplish nothing by running as an I...unless he really wanted to stick it to the GOP and cost them the election, which would tickle my funny bone.
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Have you considered he may still lean liberal and all these actions happen to help the other side? Also, the longer he's in the news, the better for him. He would love a third party run.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
Been watching a few of the cable news channels and they're all jumping on Trump for not correcting that guy that said Obama is a Muslim.

Knowing Trump, he's probably going to double down on this, and there's ammo to do it.



Yeah, people would say "It's just a slip-up." But I don't know many religious people that slip up on what religion they are.

As for Hillary calling on Trump to apologize to Obama, perhaps she should apologize first.



"Not as far as I know" being the token words of the quote.

And one thing that the news is failing to address, so what if he is a Muslim? They're acting like it's a kind of slur.
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Did you forget the part where the guy said "he's not even an American". Trumps a birther, which means he's an idiot or he's pretending to be one for more votes. Not to mention his initial response was gibberish and his follow up the next day was utter b.s..
 
Kasich calls for new federal agency to promote Judeo-Christian values
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John Kasich would like to add a new federal agency if he becomes president: one to promote "Judeo-Christian Western values."
Speaking at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday, the Ohio governor said the U.S. “must be more forceful in the battle of ideas.”
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Graham mocks Kasich's proposed Judeo-Christian agency: 'I think that was the Crusades'
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Lindsey Graham doesn’t like John Kasich’s idea for a new federal agency to promote "Judeo-Christian values" in the Middle East and other world hotspots, joking that it sounded like "the Crusades."
On Tuesday, the Ohio governor announced his idea in a foreign policy speech at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.
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Kasich defends his call for a Judeo-Christian agency
Ohio Gov. John Kasich on Thursday defended his call for a federal agency to promote what he termed "Judeo-Christian values" during a Tuesday speech in Washington after last week's deadly attacks in France.
Asked to explain what he meant, Kasich painted it as an agency that would be more akin to the Voice of America network than one that would force Americans to attend church.
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I think Kasich has decided to go for broke ever since the last debate. Seemed like his plan was attack Trump and hope it either works or it doesn't work but cripples Trump and helps him get a VP spot. Either way, his campaign is getting weaker by the day.
 
Lead Salad said:
Have you considered he may still lean liberal and all these actions happen to help the other side? Also, the longer he's in the news, the better for him. He would love a third party run.
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I've considered it, but it leans too close to CT territory for me. I guess it depends on what he stood to gain and who was going to pay for it. I wonder what a donor would say if he asked them for support if he ran as a third party. I've given up on guessing Trump's motives beyond self-aggrandizing, I'm just going with the flow now.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
Been watching a few of the cable news channels and they're all jumping on Trump for not correcting that guy that said Obama is a Muslim.

Knowing Trump, he's probably going to double down on this, and there's ammo to do it.



Yeah, people would say "It's just a slip-up." But I don't know many religious people that slip up on what religion they are.

As for Hillary calling on Trump to apologize to Obama, perhaps she should apologize first.



"Not as far as I know" being the token words of the quote.

And one thing that the news is failing to address, so what if he is a Muslim? They're acting like it's a kind of slur.
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It's a slip up of a politician who likely isn't very religious, something I believe is true with most of these guys running. Funny thing is this is all coming from Trump since the guy is definitely secular and is putting up a fairly thin BS clothe that he is religious.

The media is saying that assuming a person is muslim because they are colored is a slur, not the faith itself. If Obama wasn't colored, these discussions wouldn't occur. There also is tons of misinformation to continue to full it as well. I can't tell you how many facebook post shares I've seen of absolute crap that a simple google search would address.

One person posted that Obama does speeches in front of a Muslim prayer curtain and doesn't have American flags behind him. It shows a picture with him and this gold curtain and then all the past presidents behind a blue one with flags and idiots buy into it. I googled it and found the same fucking curtain with past presidents and the absence of a flag. It's just a different room of the white house. I completely lit up the person who shared it and they took it down. They texted me after that I was blind amount Obama's secret muslim faith but seemed to have no worry that they were posting bullshit to support a preconceived notion they want to support whether there's evidence or not. What really makes me mad is whoever made that original post has to know they made the shit up and they willing spread it around.
 
GOP Politicians Are Supporting Candidates Who Think Like Them
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The Republican race for president remains as wide open as ever. You can see that by looking at endorsements, which are highly correlated with the final result of a primary. Very few Republican bigwigs have endorsed a candidate.1 Among those members of Congress who have endorsed a candidate, however, a pattern is emerging: The endorser’s ideology is very similar to that of the candidate he or she is backing. Moderate members of Congress are endorsing moderate candidates, and very conservative members are backing very conservative candidates (not counting home-state endorsements).
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No way?!
 
Makani said:
I've considered it, but it leans too close to CT territory for me. I guess it depends on what he stood to gain and who was going to pay for it. I wonder what a donor would say if he asked them for support if he ran as a third party. I've given up on guessing Trump's motives beyond self-aggrandizing, I'm just going with the flow now.
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If he does it, I think the CT becomes real or he just really is that much of an asshole/media whore. Either or both are very likely.
 
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: You mentioned your Christian faith. Yesterday, you took after the Republicans for suggesting you have Muslim connections. Just a few minutes ago, Rick Davis, John McCain's campaign manager, said they've never done that. This is a false and cynical attempt to play victim.

SEN. OBAMA: You know what, these guys love to throw a rock and hide their hands.

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: But the McCain campaign has never suggested you have Muslim connections.

SEN. OBAMA: No. No. No. But I don't think that when you look at what is being promulgated on Fox News, let's say, and Republican commentators who are closely allied to these folks ...

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: But John McCain said that's wrong.

SEN. OBAMA: Listen, you and I both know that the minute that Governor Palin was forced to talk about her daughter, I immediately said that's off limits. And ...

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: And John McCain said the same thing about questioning your faith.

SEN. OBAMA: And what was the first thing the McCain campaign went out and did? They said, look, these liberal blogs that support Obama are out there attacking Governor Palin. Let's not play games. What I was suggesting — you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith ...

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS (interrupting): Your Christian faith.

SEN. OBAMA: My Christian faith — well, what I'm saying is ...

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS (interrupting): Connections, right.

SEN. OBAMA: ... that he hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim, and I think that his campaign upper echelons haven't either. What I think is fair to say is that coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I'm not what who I say I am when it comes to my faith, something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time.
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Context is pretty easy to see if you're not going full ripskater, Stephanopolous just derailed him in mid-sentence.
 
Lead Salad said:
GOP Politicians Are Supporting Candidates Who Think Like Them
No way?!
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Apparently that's news for those in the MSM.

I heard some political analysts on Sunday say that the Paris attacks would convince Republican Primary Voters to change their vote from a 'Reality Show Host' to a more serious candidate with more political experience to combat ISIS.

And now, Trump has jumped a few points in the polls.

These 'analysts' aren't assessing the candidates and the primary voters, they're merely expressing their wishful thinking upon their viewers. Nothing more.

These are the type that discover 'Politicians are supporting candidates that think like them' and are amazed.
 
Trump is too much the egotist to work for someone else. The idea that he's a stalking horse for Hillary is ridiculous.

Of course Trump's ego may cause him to inadvertently throw the election to Hillary because he genuinely thinks he can win a third party run, but he certainly wouldn't do it out of liberal principle.
 
Trump is playing this latest bs wrong, saying he misheard the question. He should simply say "its not my job to defend that incompetent clown in the white house...oh and Hillary shouldn't run her mouth after the far as i know comment."

If he did, he'd turn this into a win.
 
Lead Salad said:
State GOP leaders plot to tie Donald Trump’s hands
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For those that want Trump to go 3rd party, here's the first stepping stone right here.

Do I want Trump to get the nomination? No.

Do I want every candidate to get a fair shot, reguardless of how I feel about them? Damn right.

These targeted attacks, or even suspicions of future attacks, from Establishment Republicans will only make Trump stronger in the eyes of 'Fuck the Establishment' voters.

The first primary is five and a half months away, which is an eternity in politics with a 24-hour news cycle. At some point, Trump is probably going screw up, or another candidate rise upon their own merrit.

Dirty tricks by those in the backrooms of political offices will not be appreciated.
 
If Hitlery wins demmycrat nomination, there won't be much of a battle left for Trump:
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GearSolidMetal said:
For those that want Trump to go 3rd party, here's the first stepping stone right here.

Do I want Trump to get the nomination? No.

Do I want every candidate to get a fair shot, reguardless of how I feel about them? Damn right.

These targeted attacks, or even suspicions of future attacks, from Establishment Republicans will only make Trump stronger in the eyes of 'Fuck the Establishment' voters.

The first primary is five and a half months away, which is an eternity in politics with a 24-hour news cycle. At some point, Trump is probably going screw up, or another candidate rise upon their own merrit.

Dirty tricks by those in the backrooms of political offices will not be appreciated.
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Meh this is politics. They have to do whats best for their party. Donald Trump is a loon who has no chance to win the presidency. Hell there is a good chance he is a democratic plant. He was a democrat just few years ago. They would be mad not try to stop him. And he aint gonna run 3rd party.....Donald doesnt like to lose
 
Tekk said:
Did you forget the part where the guy said "he's not even an American". Trumps a birther, which means he's an idiot or he's pretending to be one for more votes. Not to mention his initial response was gibberish and his follow up the next day was utter b.s..
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So, Trump takes ownership of the words said by someone else at his rally, by not shouting that guy down?

If the tables were turned, and a question like this was asked to a Democrat, the entire media would be defending the Democrat and painting the questioner as a loon. But here they're attacking him like Trump said it himself, and zero questions are being asked of the loon. The media conveniently hasn't investigated who asked the question and his background. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a leftist plant.

This is why most candidates 'screen' questions asked to them at rallies and press conferences. To avoid this type of shit from happening. It's one of the campaign techniques that honest voters detest, and makes all appearances of candidates be staged for public consumption. Props to Trump for even having the balls to take questions from the audience.

Oh by the way, look at everything Trump has dodged already in the few months he's been campaigning. This is nothing new, and it won't change any minds one way or another.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
I just listened to the source of the Trump/Cruz articles about Cruz supposedly being offered the VP slot, and it actually is an interview Trump did on the Laura Ingram show.

She asks Trump who he's thinking about for a VP, he says he's getting along with alot of the other candidates, but he likes to think about winning first, and it's still early.

Ingram asks if he could narrow it down a bit, and asks him about Cruz. Trump says he likes and grets along with Cruz, and later says Cruz agrees with him on almost everything.That's the end of discussion about Cruz.

So, the articles about a confirmation of a Trump/Cruz ticket are exaggerated.

I should have exported the source before diving into it as far as I did earlier.
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What's the role of a Vice President?
 
Gervinho said:
Meh this is politics. They have to do whats best for their party. Donald Trump is a loon who has no chance to win the presidency. Hell there is a good chance he is a democratic plant. He was a democrat just few years ago. They would be mad not try to stop him. And he aint gonna run 3rd party.....Donald doesnt like to lose
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'What's best for their party' In other words, do what's best for them, their money, their positions of power, and control over the population. And Trump is a threat to that.

Saying Trump is a plant implies three things. One, he's the Clinton's bitch in this situation, and who has Trump ever been a bitch for in all his life? Two, his desire for the Republican Party nomination is just a waste of time, and he's going 3rd party anyway. Three, Clinton is going to get the nomination, and even months ago before the Email scandal blew up in the news, it was foreseeable that she wasn't going to get close.

'But... but...but... what what about the phone call?' How convienient that came out from the Clinton camp just a day before the debate, and who does it benefit? Which political family is close to the Clintons?

I'm asking you this because I credit you can figure this out.
 
trump already responded .. he has no responsibility to shut anyone up or to defend obama who trashed him at that white house dinner .. how fkn beta and spineless would that have been .. and it's funny how no one's talking about the last part of the question which is quite important and relevant .. this is much ado about nothing .. just more stupid shit being brought up to try to derail trump
 
RedAger said:
LOL @ Kaisch, guess he hasn't heard of separation of church and state.
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I think he's just grasping for the evangelical vote now that he is desperate. Really weird idea by him.
 
Trump isn't stupid. He knows the second he signs that pledge all of the RNC and conservative news media will come down on him.
 
First Poll out Since Second Debate CNN/ORC International
Trump 24
Fiorina 15
Carson 14
Rubio 11
Bush 9
Cruz 6
Huckabee 6
Paul 4
Christie 3
Kasich 2
Santorum 1
Walker 0
Jindal 0
Graham 0

Nothing too surprising. Obviously Fiorina and Rubio rose a bit. Biggest thing is Walker at 0. He is dropping hard and fast from this race. The field is definitely going to thin out. Most surprising thing is Huckabee still at 6. Who the hell is maintaining this guys polls in the sixs?

Also listed was second choice.
Carson 19
Rubio 13
Fiorina 11
Bush 11
Trump 8
Huckabee 8
Christie 6
Cruz 5
Paul 3
Walker 2
Kasich 1
Santorum 1
Graham 1
Pataki 1
 
Diamond Jim said:
Trump isn't stupid. He knows the second he signs that pledge all of the RNC and conservative news media will come down on him.
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Not only that, he'll go down in the polls. One of the appeals of Trump is his display of strength against political norms. If he abandons that, and gives up his leverage against the GOP to give him a fair shot, it'll be the end of his campaign because alot of his support base will abandon him.

And the advice to Trump to sign the pledge isn't meant to help him, it's from political insiders that desire for him to go away.

This isn't exactly hard to figure out.
 
post that nbc poll ::cool:

trump semi dodged a bullet .. I thought he might outright fall from first place .. he has to pick it up a bit and not let himself be pushed around with all these attacks .. he should've called out the moderators and cnn during wednesday's debate .. I bet that would've won him big points
 
RedAger said:
LOL @ Kaisch, guess he hasn't heard of separation of church and state.
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Lol, yeah, it's clearly right there in the Declaration of Independence, or the Constitution.

I forgot which one.

Actually, it isn't.
 
the trump campaign and why the republicans love him so much explained in just a few seconds
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get out of my country
im a US citizen
well, whatever, no


haha. this is too good. i hope this goes on for as long as it can
 
Makani said:
Context is pretty easy to see if you're not going full ripskater, Stephanopolous just derailed him in mid-sentence.
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Wait...

Is the above quote from their interview the 'evidence' that's being put forth that Obama is secretly a Muslim?

That's...that's so stupid it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
 
Thurisaz said:
If Hitlery wins demmycrat nomination, there won't be much of a battle left for Trump:
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She's either profoundly stupid or profoundly manipulative and dishonest. Hmmmmmmm.
 
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