Elections GOP 2016 Primary Thread V3: More God and Guns Edition

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Running
Jeb Bush (Former FL Gov.)
Marco Rubio (Current FL Sen.)
Scott Walker (Current WI Gov.)
Rand Paul (Current KY Sen.)
Ted Cruz (Current TX Sen.)
Mike Huckabee (Former AK Gov.)
Ben Carson (Neurosurgeon...)
Chris Christie (Current NJ Gov.)
John Kasich (Current OH Gov.)
Rick Santorum (Former PA Sen.)
Carly Fiorina (Former HP CEO)
Lindsay Graham (Current SC Sen.)
Rick Perry (Current TX Gov.)
Bobby Jindal (Current LA Gov.)
George Pataki (Former NY Gov.)
Donald Trump (Businessman, Media Troll Whore)
Jim Gilmore (Former VA Gov.)


Potential Runners


Out
Mitt Romney (Former MA Gov.)
Paul Ryan (Current WI Housemember)
Rob Portman (Current OH Sen.)
Jon Huntsman Jr. (Former UT Gov.)
Rick Snyder (Current MI Gov.)

Mike Pence (Current IN Gov)

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Any ideas for a thread poll? We already did a straw poll
 
Well that's certainly your opinion, and I would like to know why you feel that way (Trump is obvious, but why the other two?) but like I said above, I've just liked what they've had to say. Each one of them has touched on things I agree with here and there. I'm not completely sold on anyone yet, but everyone I listed, I like them thus far. We'll see if that continues.

Cruz, who I earlier qualified as being a candidate who is clearly well-educated and intellectually competent for the job, is undoubtedly the scummiest politician I have ever seen. He has time and time again committed himself to the strategy of appealing to the dumbest and least educated of voters with silly hyperbole and scare tactics, even when they further a position that is completely in the opposite interest of his voters and his appeal. One of the clearest (and most recent) examples of this is his soapbox on net neutrality. Even a majority of conservative voters who are knowledgeable on the issue agree that the only real argument against NN is a veiled argument in interest of big providers: allowing providers to further tier information access will only serve to drive up their profits while restricting access to information for a lot of citizens. Yet Cruz has, in his speech, used hyperbole and framed what amounts of access to information as some kind of digital slavery. Again, this is one of the easier examples just because there's a fair amount of conservatives who also line up to the left of Cruz on this issue, which is just another issue where Cruz is shamelessly exploiting his voters in favor of corporations that are paying him.

Huckabee is the definitions of a hack. While his economic positions are just classic Tea Party anti-poor, and demonstrably ineffectual crap, his social positions are where he really shines. The guy is a former pastor who constantly references his religious past (and speaks using preacher rhetoric and cadence) as some sort of moral authority despite constantly undermining his own morality with really shitty anecdote. A great example of this is the article the TS posted two pages back where Huckabee argued against the legitimacy of transgendered people by saying he would be okay using that argument to shower with girls in high school. This, of course, is a small potatoes example, but it shows what a sleaze the guy is. As a white Christian, I feel that Huckabee is a microcosm of what everyone wrongfully attributes to people like me.

Carson is basically a black Ted Cruz. However, I think Carson is a bit more genuine and less transparent in his corruption. A big problem to me with Carson is that he appeals to his past employment as a physician as some sort of authority on science-related issues. This is really a dishonest misrepresentation of his background, though. Physicians and surgeons are not scientists in their specialization or, especially, in their approach, which is basically to specialize in a singular framework (in his case neurosurgery I believe) and then work in direct relation to the human body--- this does not form an authority on broader sciences or, even less, on specialized sciences like those related to climate change, where he's taken a sadly two-dimensional stance against climate change, despite the fact that there's an almost complete consensus (97 percent of scientists globally) on the reality of climate change from actual scientists in actual climate-related fields. Carson is also a shameless slave to hyperbole scare tactics-- see his repeated comparisons of universal healthcare (something shown to be demonstrably beneficial to society in the rest of the first world) to slavery.



I know that's very long-winded, but you seemed genuinely interested, so I thought I'd give an honest response. My biggest problem with your post is that you qualify the candidates by saying "they can't be worse than Obama," which is just ludicrous. Even to be very critical of Obama's presidency, you can objectively say he's been an at least average president (I, and most presidential historians, would argue he's a bit better than average) and one that is considerably right of his actual Democratic voters. While I can't try to sway you on whether a farther-right president could do a better job (as we certainly have different concepts of what improves our country), to use that to idealize those particular candidates, who are so obviously corrupt or incompetent, is just silly.

EDIT: I realize this post is a bit more of an indictment of the candidates themselves than of their policy, especially economic (where I'm most passionate and where the candidates policies are most provably poor). If you'd like an elaboration on that, which is a bit more dense, let me know and I'll try to bookmark it.

Yea, his campaign people are making him focus his message on the economy and making him steer clear of social issues. If he manages to get in the debates, watch him screw that entire thing up when a social issue question comes up. The guy cares most about that in his policies and would work the hardest on it as well as invading Iran rather than the economy

Yeah, it's hard to trust him being the least bit genuine in the re-branding, but at the very least it's refreshing to see a blue collar social conservative. There's something so despicable about those who appeal to social values that are prevalent in low income voters to bolster economic legislation that works against those voters.

But, even in the last Republican primary, I gave Santorum some credit on being genuine in his appalling social policy. He may be kind of a crazy wacko, but I prefer a crazy wacko with actual principles to a complete shill like Romney, who really has no actual political doctrine except what will get him elected.



Who are your candidates of choice? I feel like I don't see you post much around the board, but you're clearly knowledgeable on the primary field.
 
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Cruz's "the world is literally on fire" talking point is my early front runner for most annoying.
 
Who are your candidates of choice? I feel like I don't see you post much around the board, but you're clearly knowledgeable on the primary field.


I'm very picky and it's very likely I might not even vote in the GE this cycle. My vote in the primaries wouldn't matter since I'm in PA.

At this point, I'm still on board with a Kasich run. He has been outspoken about moving on from the Obamacare debate and addressing new ideas (something this party desperately needs to do.)

I would have Rubio in the mix if it wasn't for his hawk record. The frustrating thing I find with elections is I never find a true candidate I can agree with on domestic and foreign policy enough to support. I think Rubio could do good domestically though because I believe he would try to pass immigration and tax reform legislation during his term (two issues I believe both parties are ready to do work/compromise on). The tax reform he's proposed so far hasn't been all that impressive but I think he would be open to what the house/senate could bring forward.

All in all, my criteria at this point is simply based on who has the best chance of getting the issues I care about fixed. I think Kasich and Rubio at this point have the highest chance but I'm never optimistic with politics. I have a strong interest in the race itself rather than any specific candidate.
 
Cruz's "the world is literally on fire" talking point is my early front runner for most annoying.

It's funny because that whole situation makes me think of my highschool principle. He was a hard evangelical conservative (loved Santorum). Anytime he would address the highschool, he would say something so stupid you just had to laugh and I can easily mistake the memory of Cruz saying that for my principle in 10 years.
 
It's funny because that whole situation makes me think of my highschool principle. He was a hard evangelical conservative (loved Santorum). Anytime he would address the highschool, he would say something so stupid you just had to laugh and I can easily mistake the memory of Cruz saying that for my principle in 10 years.

I'm sure you're not alone in that, he has that high school principal look to him, and the way he talks. For some reason people not using the world literally right has always stuck on my craw, especially after watching so much Archer.
 
I'm very picky and it's very likely I might not even vote in the GE this cycle. My vote in the primaries wouldn't matter since I'm in PA.

At this point, I'm still on board with a Kasich run. He has been outspoken about moving on from the Obamacare debate and addressing new ideas (something this party desperately needs to do.)

I would have Rubio in the mix if it wasn't for his hawk record. The frustrating thing I find with elections is I never find a true candidate I can agree with on domestic and foreign policy enough to support. I think Rubio could do good domestically though because I believe he would try to pass immigration and tax reform legislation during his term (two issues I believe both parties are ready to do work/compromise on). The tax reform he's proposed so far hasn't been all that impressive but I think he would be open to what the house/senate could bring forward.

All in all, my criteria at this point is simply based on who has the best chance of getting the issues I care about fixed. I think Kasich and Rubio at this point have the highest chance but I'm never optimistic with politics. I have a strong interest in the race itself rather than any specific candidate.

I actually like Kasich as well, although I can't imagine him making it through a Republican primary. I'm not a Republican, so I'm obviously partial towards more center-right guys like Kasich, but he reminds me of Huntsman in the fact that his political career is so utilitarian-- that he works to the benefit of his constituents instead of hard lining talking points. Both have had solidly evidence-based policy approaches and, because of that, have been fairly successful in their respective posts. Those are two guys that, if they were running in a general against someone like Hillary, I would be comfortable either abstaining or throwing a vote away on a third party.
 
I actually like Kasich as well, although I can't imagine him making it through a Republican primary. I'm not a Republican, so I'm obviously partial towards more center-right guys like Kasich, but he reminds me of Huntsman in the fact that his political career is so utilitarian-- that he works to the benefit of his constituents instead of hard lining talking points. Both have had solidly evidence-based policy approaches and, because of that, have been fairly successful in their respective posts. Those are two guys that, if they were running in a general against someone like Hillary, I would be comfortable either abstaining or throwing a vote away on a third party.

It's funny because in 2012 I was for Huntsman as well. My type of candidates don't get much traction in the GOP.

On the Dem side, I would side with a president that would take Obama's type of foreign policy and also not interfere with the energy boom in our country. TBH, I think Obama is going to be the last Dem president I will be happy with for awhile. Clinton and Obama did more good than bad in their presidencies. The GOP really needs to do some soulsearching cause when you compared George HW/George Bush with Bill Clinton/Obama, I'd take the latter.

They need to rethink foreign policy and also come up with concrete domestic policies. There's far too much focus on fluff and anti-Obamacare. It's not helpful rhetoric.
 
I'm sure you're not alone in that, he has that high school principal look to him, and the way he talks. For some reason people not using the world literally right has always stuck on my craw, especially after watching so much Archer.

Yea, the sweater vest gives him that vibe. My principal met him during a March for Life rally. I disagreed once with him on something he was blabbing about Santorum over to the class body and he was instantly stunned/pissed I could somehow not completely agree with that guy.
 
the only electable republican is rand paul. the rest are filthy hawks.
 
the only electable republican is rand paul. the rest are filthy hawks.

I think you underestimate the love large swathes of the party have for filthy hawks. Paul brings up the possibility that America might be making big mistakes, and that's a no-no unless you attach Obama's name to it.
 
Yea, the sweater vest gives him that vibe. My principal met him during a March for Life rally. I disagreed once with him on something he was blabbing about Santorum over to the class body and he was instantly stunned/pissed I could somehow not completely agree with that guy.

You young folk, no respect. I forgot that you have lived under the Santorum regime, in a place where people might, and actually must have, actively supported him.
 
Rand Paul's been sucking up a lot to Zionists he wants to be President but they don't trust him especially with his call for the 9/11 classified documents.


Sad that people can't see what American politics is when they grovel to people like Sheldon Adelson.

The Jews make a fairly small minority but their vote matters more than the Black vote, the Hispanic vote, the dying White vote put together.

Everyone knows it the power structure in America is Jewish. It's not Christian, it's not Black. Black people don't rule America because Obama is President. Jews do.

LOL
 
There is no poll with this version of the thread? This makes me sad.
 
There is no poll with this version of the thread? This makes me sad.

I asked for suggestions. I can still add one after making a thread. I just didn't have an idea for a question
 
I asked for suggestions. I can still add one after making a thread. I just didn't have an idea for a question

Just make a poll of all the people in the race so far. On the next Democrat version of this thread, there doesn't seem to be any reason to have Warren right now, because I don't think she will run. Just add all the declared Republicans for this one, if you would.
 
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