Gone Zero Carb.

[CC's left foot]

thanks for those articles, mathias! clearly a very low carb diet is the best option for diabetics.

 

[big ugly bear]

Tis a good thread this.

I enjoyed reading those articles also.

I think we're all agreed on the fact that carbs need to be kept low, the main point of contention seems to be Zero carbs vs Low carbs coming from furits and veggies(under 100g carbs per day). As you know, I fall into the latter camp whereas the TS falls into the former. I'd much prefer to hedge my bets by consuming fruits and veg, as recommended by JB and others. It's just common sense, but I respect the views of those who disagree based on their own reading.

I think the problem is that high carb diets/bad carbs have tarnished all carbs with the same brush, if you follow the TS line of thinking. I think that 'nature leaves clues', by the fact that most foods have elements of all three macronutrients. Not just that, but mother's breast milk contains all three macronutrients, so for ME personally, it would take a great leap of faith to eliminate carbs altogether. IMO the TS is 90% on the money, I just think he'd being playing it safe by eating a bit of broccoli here and there, and having an orange and few berries each day. Again, I just couldn't imagine that the latter would do him any harm at all. This is a far cry from eating a cup of pasta at a meal, then a couple of potatoes at the next, and then rice later on, etc. I'd just be weary of taking anything to extremes, even if we all know it's in the right direction.

Good thread though.

 

[CC's left foot]

Thank you for your thoughtful commentary, bear. Your point is taken.

If it weren't for the possibility that sugars might interfere with nutrient absorption, I would agree with you. Of course this diet may eventually morph into what you are talking about if I feel I am not getting enough nutrition.

 

[ringwerm]

How is the ZC going TS?

 

[CC's left foot]

How is the ZC going TS?

Going great. Today for lunch I ate some roast chicken with skin fried in coconut oil and butter, with two eggs over easy. Was just at starbucks, and got coffee with cream. Starting to get hungry again, for dinner I'll be having some seasoned pork chops fried in butter.

I feel great, tons of energy. No veggies or supplements since Feb 1.

The hardest part is the initial detox from carbs. Daily life is easy. I am saving A LOT of money on this WOE as well.

 

[romistrub]

This goes against everything I understand about veggies. Everything.

To be fair, though, how many people can say that they've actually *tried* something like this? Everybody I know that has dropped grains and sugars has also upped their vegetable/fruit/nut intake (which is netting a very large decrease in carb intake). Nobody has tried the meat&fat diet.

I need someone I know/trust (no offense TS, but, as far as I know, you're not a regular here) to report on this.

I'll be honest, I'm actually very surprised that you're saving money. Grains seem to be the cheapest thing going these days, whereas meat, on the other hand, is not. (I'm assuming you approximately maintained your energy intake, otherwise the cost drop is a pretty empty statement.)

Still, if this works (and that's a huge "if") it could change the entire science of vitamins. That's the main reason I'm interested in this.

Thanks, TS, for putting your life on the line for science

Edit: The more I think about this, the more I believe that the implications of the success of a meat&fat diet would be absolutely staggering. Everything would change. Entire industries could be sacked. Fridges could be made smaller. It could cause a vast split in nutrition ideology leading to new religions and subsequent world wars! The entire success or failure of the human race is probably dependent on the outcome of this single experiment!

no pressure

 

[anaconda]

This goes against everything I understand about veggies. Everything.

To be fair, though, how many people can say that they've actually *tried* something like this? Everybody I know that has dropped grains and sugars has also upped their vegetable/fruit/nut intake (which is netting a very large decrease in carb intake). Nobody has tried the meat&fat diet.

I need someone I know/trust (no offense TS, but, as far as I know, you're not a regular here) to report on this.

I'll be honest, I'm actually very surprised that you're saving money. Grains seem to be the cheapest thing going these days, whereas meat, on the other hand, is not. (I'm assuming you approximately maintained your energy intake, otherwise the cost drop is a pretty empty statement.)

Still, if this works (and that's a huge "if") it could change the entire science of vitamins. That's the main reason I'm interested in this.

Thanks, TS, for putting your life on the line for science

Edit: The more I think about this, the more I believe that the implications of the success of a meat&fat diet would be absolutely staggering. Everything would change. Entire industries could be sacked. Fridges could be made smaller. It could cause a vast split in nutrition ideology leading to new religions and subsequent world wars! The entire success or failure of the human race is probably dependent on the outcome of this single experiment!

no pressure

so....when are YOU going to try it?

 

[Gun Fu]

Hey TS, you wanna give us periodic updates on how this diet is going for you? It's a very interesting idea that only you seem to be willing to test.

 

[CC's left foot]

I'll be honest, I'm actually very surprised that you're saving money. Grains seem to be the cheapest thing going these days, whereas meat, on the other hand, is not. (I'm assuming you approximately maintained your energy intake, otherwise the cost drop is a pretty empty statement.)

It sounds weird, yes-- but when you think of it, meats are so much more calorie-dense, you can eat one pound of meat for many pounds of veggies. Not to mention you can often get meat on sale for under $2/lb which is in the same price range as veggies. For example, I got a large pork butt roast, around 11lb, for something like $1.30/lb and I ate every bit of it including the fat.

Of course you won't be having ribeye for every meal, but you can have expensive cuts less frequently. Not to mention eggs are around $1.60/doz right now and I am eating a lot of eggs.

Besides, I have only eaten at a restaurant once or twice since I started. Bringing lunch to work makes it easy to avoid eating out.

 

[Pualee]

Hey CC's Left Foot ...

I would love to see how you are doing in a few months if you maintain this diet. Also I have to question 1 point. You eat only limited organs (brains/liver). It is my understanding that primitive societies eat organ meat. Is this 'limited amount' relative to muscle consumption, or are you avoiding it entirely?

Also, what is the source of carbs in liver/brains?


Edit:

It is my understanding that liver provides huge boosts to energy, and brains are extremely high in omega fatty acides. Both good things IMO. Why avoid these :icon_conf

 

[ringwerm]

Not sure if this has been posted before, but I really enjoyed this guys blog post about Eskimo's.

Zeroing In On Health - The Blog!

Whats really interesting is how they loved the cold so much. They were uncomfortable in warm weather and longed for winter to return.

They apparently fed their dogs with organs like brains and liver:

"The dogs get the tenderloin, lungs, liver, sweetbreads, and everything else from within the body except the kidney fat and intestinal fat. The kidney, intestines and heart go to the dogs."

 

[Torka]

For the last 18 months I've been eating a pile of veges every day, but it's all the stuff with a ridiculously low amount of usable energy in it like broccoli, cauliflower and spinach. Even in the large quantities I'm consuming them in they add up to no more than around 250-300 kcal per day. The rest of my calories, all of them, have come from fatty cuts of meat and whole eggs.

I'm wondering if there's really any significant difference between the way I eat and a zero carb diet. Would adding 250kcal worth of nutrient-rich greens to a diet otherwise comprise entirely of fat and protein *really* mean that much?

 

[CC's left foot]

Breakfast/lunch at work today of a pork chop and some roast chicken with skin.

The workout tonight was good. did 15 mins cardio and 15 mins of circuit weights. Muscles didn't tire during weight session even though it was heavier than my usual. Had plenty of energy for the cardio.

Came back home, showered off, and had dinner of two fatty 1/4lb hamburgers with two thick slices of cheese and 2 eggs.

 

[redjako]

weird, I can't find a gigantic thread on the "carnivore" diet...

There was a respected poster here who said he'd been on it for years..

search function Brokkkken

 

[Higher Learning]

weird, I can't find a gigantic thread on the "carnivore" diet...

There was a respected poster here who said he'd been on it for years..

search function Brokkkken

there is a link to it earlier in this thread

 

[ss4vegeta1]

I'm in, Hows the diet going?

 

[anaconda]

For the last 18 months I've been eating a pile of veges every day, but it's all the stuff with a ridiculously low amount of usable energy in it like broccoli, cauliflower and spinach. Even in the large quantities I'm consuming them in they add up to no more than around 250-300 kcal per day. The rest of my calories, all of them, have come from fatty cuts of meat and whole eggs.

I'm wondering if there's really any significant difference between the way I eat and a zero carb diet. Would adding 250kcal worth of nutrient-rich greens to a diet otherwise comprise entirely of fat and protein *really* mean that much?

read through the long thread linked earlier. solkanar actually said that he believed vegetables are bad for you for some reason and cause a lot of health problems. it was a pretty good thread, even if there was a lot of name calling and stuff involved lol

 

[Sir Galahad]

I did this diet on several occasions. The first time I tried this, I lost 14 lbs. in the first week. I lost a total of 20 lbs. in two weeks. And I kept the weight off.

 

[anaconda]

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[Sir Galahad]

how did you feel while eating like this?

for only two weeks i dont think its enough to get the purported benefits of this way of eating.

The first couple days were the hardest. Then it was easier because the weight just melted off. I drank lot of water.