GF encourages suicide by text

[DeepCover]

Some of you need to study this more. It wasn't one offhand comment she made and he went and killed himself. It's texts over a long period of time and even at the end when he got out of the car and she urged him to get back in.

Agreed. At the end, she even asks if he deleted all the messages she sent him encouraging him to kill himself because she knows how morally bankrupt the texts make her appear. Evil bitch.

It certainly makes for an interesting debate on the legality of her actions.

 

[Mike]

Well if indeed she's a sociopath, then that means she suffers from a medical condition in which her brain doesn't function properly.

Would you say that's her fault? Or do you also blame people who get cancer for their illness?

Ultimately nobody is really accountable for anything, because we don't have free will. In the best interests of society we have to draw a line somewhere.


The vast majority of criminals have some sort of mental illness. Whether we try to treat them or push them off a cliff is pretty subjective, depending on the crime committed and each persons individual sense of empathy.

 

[Guestx]

Ultimately nobody is really accountable for anything, because we don't have free will. In the best interests of society we have to draw a line somewhere.


The vast majority of criminals have some sort of mental illness. Whether we try to treat them or push them off a cliff is pretty subjective, depending on the crime committed and each persons individual sense of empathy.

Well I think in this case she was a fucking bitch, but as I said earlier, I refuse to support putting someone in jail because of some words they said.

 

[Mike]

Well I think in this case she was a fucking bitch, but as I said earlier, I refuse to support putting someone in jail because of some words they said.

Words have power. People comparing it to some troll on xbox live or sherdog are missing the point. This wasn't a single one off conversation. This is repeatedly going to someone you trust for help, and the whole time they're slowly trying to manipulate you into harming yourself.


She probably is a sociopath, but like I said we have to draw a line somewhere. s aren't choosing to be attracted to small children, there's something wrong with them. I'd still execute them all if I had my way. It all depends on where you personally draw the line, and say "society is better off without this person"

 

[Guestx]

Words have power. People comparing it to some troll on xbox live or sherdog are missing the point. This wasn't a single one off conversation. This is repeatedly going to someone you trust for help, and the whole time they're slowly trying to manipulate you into harming yourself.

If you're willing to put someone in jail for their words, it's only a matter of time before you're jailed for you own. Because there's always someone waiting around the corner to take offense.

 

[Mike]

If you're willing to put someone in jail for their words, it's only a matter of time before you're jailed for you own. Because there's always someone waiting around the corner to take offense.

People pull out the slippery slope argument for everything. This is a bit different than someone just being "triggered" by anything and everything. Words have always had the potential for consequences, this isn't really new. That sicko Jared was put in jail for talking about banging kids. Any charge involving conspiring is basically just charging someone for talking about doing something illegal.


People also bring up freedom of speech a lot, but that just means the government can't prosecute you for criticizing them. There's no law on the books that says people can say whatever they want with no consequences, and people's words get them sent to prison all the time.

 

[Guestx]

People also bring up freedom of speech a lot, but that just means the government can't prosecute you for criticizing them. There's no law on the books that says people can say whatever they want with no consequences, and people's words get them sent to prison all the time.

Let me ask you this:

If right now I said, "Fuck off, Mike! Kill yourself!"

And then you did it, who is responsible for your actions? You or me?

 

[Mike]

Let me ask you this:

If right now I said, "Fuck off, Mike! Kill yourself!"

And then you did it, who is responsible for your actions? You or me?

That's the analogy everyone is going with, but this goes far beyond that.


Much like the difference between posting a bear meme, and having many frank conversations about how much you just love molesting kids.

 

[Guestx]

That's the analogy everyone is going with, but this goes far beyond that.

Much like the difference between posting a bear meme, and having many frank conversations about how much you just love molesting kids.

At least as far as I understand it with the Jared case, the problem with his words were that they amounted to a confession of actually physically molesting kids. He wasn't merely expressing a desire; he was saying that these were concrete actions he had taken where he actually put his hands on a child.

He also was in actual possession of child pornography.

 

[Mike]

Intent is a large part of the difference. Suicide is a crime, if you're found to be a accessory to that crime then you can face charges. Harassment, defamation, cyberbullying etc. are often just words as well. You can still go to jail if the content of your words crosses the line. Freedom of speech does not = freedom to say literally anything without consequence. That's actually never been the case, and we send lots of people to prison(and punish them in other ways such as loss of employment) for saying the wrong things.


Now an argument could be made if that's the way it should be, but that's a different argument.

 

[Mike]

At least as far as I understand it with the Jared case, the problem with his words were that they amounted to a confession of actually physically molesting kids. He wasn't merely expressing a desire; he was saying that these were concrete actions he had taken where he actually put his hands on a child.

He also was in actual possession of child pornography.

Sure but the smoking gun was the hours and hours of conversations about wanting to molest kids. If you talked incessantly about how much you wanted to kill the president without ever doing anything, you're going to jail.


Talking about how much you want to fuck the new intern? Probably losing your job and facing harassment charges, even if you never put a hand on her.

 

[minute bull]

And then you did it, who is responsible for your actions? You or me?

Don't be obtuse.

This was psychological conditioning over time. A parent did it to a child, you'd have no problem calling it abuse, or neglect, and you'd want it corrected right away. Yes or no?

 

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YES OR NO ANSWER

 

[Guestx]

Intent is a large part of the difference. Suicide is a crime, if you're found to be a accessory to that crime then you can face charges. Harassment, defamation, cyberbullying etc. are often just words as well. You can still go to jail if the content of your words crosses the line. Freedom of speech does not = freedom to say literally anything without consequence. That's actually never been the case, and we send lots of people to prison(and punish them in other ways such as loss of employment) for saying the wrong things.

Now an argument could be made if that's the way it should be, but that's a different argument.

Unless what I read was wrong, in Massachusetts there is actually no law prohibiting suicide. Furthermore, there is no law saying that it's a crime to encourage someone to commit suicide.

If in fact that's accurate, does that change your mind regarding the legality of the situation?

It's worth pointing out that this case was hotly debated among legal scholars specifically because her actions didn't seem to explicitly violate any actual law.

 

[Guestx]

Don't be obtuse.

This was psychological conditioning over time. A parent did it to a child, you'd have no problem calling it abuse, or neglect, and you'd want it corrected right away. Yes or no?

That's totally different for one reason: Children can't tell their parents to fuck off. They are legally stuck in a poisonous situation.

But a teenager can tell another teenager to fuck off and stop talking to them. It happens everyday, when young lovers break up. He chose not to do that.

 

[minute bull]

Unless what I read was wrong, in Massachusetts there is actually no law prohibiting suicide. Furthermore, there is no law saying that it's a crime to encourage someone to commit suicide.

If in fact that's accurate, does that change your mind regarding the legality of the situation?

It's worth pointing out that this case was hotly debated among legal scholars specifically because her actions didn't seem to explicitly violate any actual law.

If there was no map of the world, would the world exist, Jaden?

That's totally different for one reason: Children can't tell their parents to fuck off. They are legally stuck in a poisonous situation.

But a teenager can tell another teenager to fuck off and stop talking to them. It happens everyday, when young lovers break up. He chose not to do that.

YES OR NO ANSWER

 

[Guestx]

If there was no map of the world, would it exist, Jaden?

Are you autistic?

YES OR NO ANSWER

Yes, for the reasons stated.

But the situations are not comparable, also for the reasons stated.

 

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Are you autistic?

No I'm being obtuse.

 

[Mike]

Unless what I read was wrong, in Massachusetts there is actually no law prohibiting suicide. Furthermore, there is no law saying that it's a crime to encourage someone to commit suicide.

If in fact that's accurate, does that change your mind regarding the legality of the situation?

It's worth pointing out that this case was hotly debated among legal scholars specifically because her actions didn't seem to explicitly violate any actual law.

Iirc suicide is illegal at the federal level, although I'm certainly no legal expert. What she did is definitely morally reprehensible.

At the end of the day, the laws exist to serve our needs as a society, and they're regularly manipulated to get the result we want.

She's a gross person and society is better off without her. Even if there wasn't a specific law in place and they had to dig into the books to find a way to charge her, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

 

[00 Buck]

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