GF encourages suicide by text

[Guestx]

Putting the law aside in that state then. She got 15 months, and deserves more then that. I'm glad she is in jail as I'm sure most people are glad. She's in jail now, and that's it.

Well as I said, I think we need to be very concerned whenever people are weirdly convicted for crimes for which specific laws do not actually exist. I don't think that's how the legal system is supposed to work. In fact, I think it's an abuse of the legal system.

We don't need to think about the principle and the precedent that is being set here.

There's a reason that this case is being hotly debated among legal experts.

 

[Guestx]

It's an interesting case. All of her texts helped create the toxic environment, but what pushed it over the edge for the judge was that she told him to get back into the truck instead of trying to help him. He was in the process of doing it, but had second thoughts once again, but she told him to get back in the truck and go through with it. She gave him the metaphorical push off the cliff, and she basically carried him up to the cliff, as well. He was constantly talking himself out of suicide while she was constantly manipulating him to commit suicide. She was heavily involved in his death, and she clearly knew she was. Fuck her.

Well she's clearly a bitch and very possibly a sociopath.

But again, from a legal perspective, I don't really understand what law she broke, and apparently a lot of legal experts don't either.

If Massachusetts wanted to imprison people for this, they should've put a law on the books BEFORE it happened, as many other states had already done.

 

[Mike]

It's an interesting case. All of her texts helped create the toxic environment, but what pushed it over the edge for the judge was that she told him to get back into the truck instead of trying to help him. He was in the process of doing it, but had second thoughts once again, but she told him to get back in the truck and go through with it. She gave him the metaphorical push off the cliff, and she basically carried him up to the cliff, as well. He was constantly talking himself out of suicide while she was constantly manipulating him to commit suicide. She was heavily involved in his death, and she clearly knew she was. Fuck her.

Too bad they can't just execute her tbh. She's an immoral piece of shit. Does society no good to have her lurking around.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

Unless what I read was wrong, in Massachusetts there is actually no law prohibiting suicide. Furthermore, there is no law saying that it's a crime to encourage someone to commit suicide.

If in fact that's accurate, does that change your mind regarding the legality of the situation?

It's worth pointing out that this case was hotly debated among legal scholars specifically because her actions didn't seem to explicitly violate any actual law.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a law about encouraging someone to commit suicide since situations like this one are probably very rare and very specific. But one can argue things such as harrassment and criminal negligence are in play. Insulting someone is not a crime, but if you are persistent enough about it you start getting into illegal territory. And doing something that you knowingly will cause harm or outright intentionally trying to cause harm in an indirect manner seems like it it would fall under negligence. Stuff like manslaughter or murder is a stretch.

 

[CO68]

Well she's clearly a bitch and very possibly a sociopath.

But again, from a legal perspective, I don't really understand what law she broke, and apparently a lot of legal experts don't either.

If Massachusetts wanted to imprison people for this, they should've put a law on the books BEFORE it happened, as many other states had already done.

This article goes over both sides: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/06/16/carteranalysis/VNeJVBH6phBlzfUNlsR07J/story.html

I don't think this is a case where we should interpret the law in her favor. I agree that there needs to be clarification, but I also think she should have been hit with a harsher penalty regardless. It not being completely clear in the law is probably why she got a light sentence. Clarify and slap a harsher penalty on it.

 

[Hog-train]

She got 15 months.

And yes, that's what I'm saying. Because there is no actual law that we can point to that she broke. And we, as a society, don't need to just start locking people up because they're a bad person. They need to break an actual law.

Well there is an actual law that she broke - what she was convicted of - involuntary manslaughter.

Since a case like this has never come up before in trial, it helped set a legal precedent. Can only words be considered "involuntary manslaughter?" This case helped settle that issue.

So now if another case like this comes along, there can be an involuntary manslaughter charge due to this new precedent. That's how US law works. This is now law.

 

[Kiddo716]

It sets a dangerous precedent. If she can get arrested for that then anyone talking shit can be charged with a crime, especially if the recipient of the 'verbal abuse' harms themselves.

This case is interesting because he was so receptive to what she said. He really wanted to die. He accepted it and she supported his decision. People on the outside who don't understand the full situation are the ones condemning his own choice.

he wanted help. reading the texts he was crying out for help.

to your first point though, 99.9% of the text, the judge said she couldn't be charged for. what did her in was the text specifically telling him to get back into the vehicle. that was the one thing that crossed the line from egging him on to ordering him to do it. you can't tell someone in that state of mind that he was in to do that.

 

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The hell is discounty?

Boy, you in Hazzard County. And we don't take kindly to strangers of your kind round these here parts hear?

Too bad they can't just execute her tbh. She's an immoral piece of shit. Does society no good to have her lurking around.

Cheesy rice! It's this callous talk that got her in trouble. We're living in a society!

 

[DoomPatrol]

You're saying she doesn't deserve JAIL? Lol...she deserves prison for sure. Fuck that Cunt. She thought because she's a young "pretty* girl she would never get jail and thinks she could get away with anything. Hope this is reality giving her a nice smack in her fucking face. Let her rot in there.

I heard she got almost 3 years in jail. Let's hope it doesn't get appealed. Fuck her

Jail is for holding people for trial and sentences under 365 days. Prison is for anyone who's been convicted and sentenced to over 365 days. She got almost 3 years in prison, but only has to do 15 months.

 

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