International German papers reporting: German Intelligence concluded Covid leaked from lab

[A Very Serious Cat]

This is why you're shit, Andrew. Was that supposed to be an insult of some kind?

"The good grammar shift"..."Where's that other capital letter guy"...???

Nobody knows what you're talking about, but it still sounded good in your head...because you're retarded.

I'm sure his wife thought it was funny though

 

[Andy Capp]

At this point, you would be bat crazy to not suspect a lab leak, but I wouldn’t bat an eye that reports like this will fly over people’s heads.

Suspect? Sure. Take someone's word for it without documentary evidence? Nope.

 

[Mr Holmes]

I'm sure his wife thought it was funny though

 

[Natural Order]

@Andy Capp
You remember SARS started from a lab leak, yes?

Have you done any research on lab leaks historically?

 

[Rob Battisti]

@Andy Capp
You remember SARS started from a lab leak, yes?

Have you done any research on lab leaks historically?

The idea that it was racist to suggest a coronavirus popping up right next to a lab with lax precautions that was studying gain of function on coronaviruses was a leak is the most frustrating gaslight of all time.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Next thing you're going to tell me the Bidens actually WERE involved in shady shit in Ukraine. Lmao

'BREAKING NEWS!!!!'

 

[Natural Order]

Americans dont want it to be known as lab leak because they funded it, lol. This all came from NIH/Fauci funding it overseas because of the moratorium on GOF Obama implemented.

Origins probably stem from DARPA biological weapons programs.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Americans dont want it to be known as lab leak because they funded it, lol. This all came from NIH/Fauci funding it overseas because of the moratorium on GOF Obama implemented.

Origins probably stem from DARPA biological weapons programs.

China should be sanction to the tune of a trillion+ for COVID-19. However, they will have no penalties at all and will continue to steal IP and be the enemy to all the world.

 

[Gamer2k4]

We were racist for even thinking it was that, remember...

The Lab-Leak Theory Is Unbearably Racist | National Review

It’s imperative that we bring this debate back to the very not-racist theory that exotic eating habits are to blame.

www.nationalreview.com

I'm sure I could find 100s of articles of that stupid nonsense

Everything is racist nowadays, that's the default defense mechanism it seems when people can't handle facts and stats. And it's working pretty well, people quiet down on certain subjects.

That's clearly meant to be a comedic article.

I'm not saying the "racism" angle wasn't happening, but if it was as prevalent as you say, surely you could have found a legitimate article making that point?

 

[Gutter Chris]

Suspect? Sure. Take someone's word for it without documentary evidence? Nope.

Speculate. What is the origin of covid ? Where and how do you think that happened ?

 

[MicroBrew]

Next thing you're going to tell me the Bidens actually WERE involved in shady shit in Ukraine. Lmao

'BREAKING NEWS!!!!'

The 2 German papers are only now reporting this; because the German Gov. did not release the report findings back then. And the Germans only shared their findings with the CIA last year.

The assessment was commissioned by the office of Angela Merkel, Germany's chancellor at the time, but was never publicly known of until now.
According to the papers, the findings were shared with the CIA in autumn of last year.

German spy agency 'believed Covid likely started in lab'

China denies German media reports of an assessment carried out by spying agency BND in 2020 supporting the theory.

www.bbc.com

 

[Natural Order]

I hope people understand that lab leak means the scientist(s) performing the work become accidentally infected, are Patient 0, and spread when they return home/out in public.

To suggest this is unlikely is laughable to anybody who has read on the topic.

The conspiracy with COVID only lies in whether that was accidental or planned. Given the talk and connections to Eco-Health you should definitely have pause for wonder.

 

[Andy Capp]

@Andy Capp
You remember SARS started from a lab leak, yes?

Have you done any research on lab leaks historically?

Listen, all I did was point out that the source posted said they have low confidence in their conclusion. I didn't say they're wrong. I have no vested interest either way in what happened. Obviously, knowing the truth either way is a good thing and I look forward to more information coming out. But all talk and no evidence leaves me waiting for some.

Speculate. What is the origin of covid ? Where and how do you think that happened ?

What I think doesn't really matter until more evidence is forthcoming. A little over 6 months ago I saw a report concluding it appears likely it originated from a wet market.

To wit,

COVID pandemic started in Wuhan market animals after all, suggests latest study

The finding comes from a reanalysis of genomic data.

www.nature.com

20 September 2024
"The hunt for the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic has new leads. Researchers have identified half a dozen animal species that could have passed SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, to people, by reanalysing genomes collected from an animal market in Wuhan, China1. The study establishes the presence of animals and the virus at the market, although it does not confirm whether the animals themselves were infected with the virus."

Covid origins: Genetic ghosts suggest pandemic started in market

A team of scientists say it is "beyond reasonable doubt" the Covid pandemic started with infected animals.

www.bbc.com

Their analysis was published last year and the raw data made available to other scientists. Now a team in the US and France says they have performed even more advanced genetic analyses to peer deeper into Covid’s early days.

It involved analysing millions of short fragments of genetic code – both DNA and RNA – to establish what animals and viruses were in the market in January 2020.

"We are seeing the DNA and RNA ghosts of these animals in the environmental samples, and some are in stalls where [the Covid virus] was found too," says Prof Florence Débarre, of the French National Centre for Scientific Research.

The results, published in the journal Cell, highlight a series of findings that come together to make their case.

It shows Covid virus and susceptible animals were detected in the same location, with some individual swabs collecting both animal and coronavirus genetic code. This is not evenly distributed across the market and points to very specific hotspots.

"We find a very consistent story in terms of this pointing - even at the level of a single stall - to the market as being the very likely origin of this particular pandemic," says Prof Kristian Andersen, from the Scripps Institute in the US.

 

[Rob Battisti]

That's clearly meant to be a comedic article.

I'm not saying the "racism" angle wasn't happening, but if it was as prevalent as you say, surely you could have found a legitimate article making that point?

Not sure if you’re serious? You don’t remember Pelosi going to a Chinatown?

 

[Andy Capp]

The 2 German papers are only now reporting this; because the German Gov. did not release the report findings back then. And the Germans only shared their findings with the CIA last year.

The assessment was commissioned by the office of Angela Merkel, Germany's chancellor at the time, but was never publicly known of until now.
According to the papers, the findings were shared with the CIA in autumn of last year.

German spy agency 'believed Covid likely started in lab'

China denies German media reports of an assessment carried out by spying agency BND in 2020 supporting the theory.

www.bbc.com

LOL so they concluded their findings back in 2020? So, we're supposed to pretend now no new data has changed the picture because reasons?

My post just above blows that out of the water.

 

[Andy Capp]

I hope people understand that lab leak means the scientist(s) performing the work become accidentally infected, are Patient 0, and spread when they return home/out in public.

To suggest this is unlikely is laughable to anybody who has read on the topic.

The conspiracy with COVID only lies in whether that was accidental or planned. Given the talk and connections to Eco-Health you should definitely have pause for wonder.

I think you should read my two posts above (and the sources I included) and reconsider that position. Then you can get back to me about what sort of people easily fall victim to confirmation bias.


"The lab-leak theory argues that instead of the virus spilling over from wildlife, it instead came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), which has long studied coronaviruses.

It is located a 40-minute drive away from the market. The US intelligence community was asked to weigh up the likelihood of a leak – either accidental or deliberate.

In June 2023, all the agencies involved said either a leak or animal origins were plausible scenarios.

The National Intelligence Council and four other agencies said animals were the likely source. The FBI and the Department of Energy thought it was more likely to be a laboratory incident.

Prof Andersen said: "To many this seems like the most likely scenario - 'the lab is right there, of course it was the lab, are you stupid?'. I totally get that argument."

However, he says there is now plenty of data that "really points to the market as the true early epicentre" and "even locations within that market"."

 

[AmonTobin]

It’s 2025 and maga is still blaming Fauci for doing his job which was to protect the public’s health in a pandemic. The ignorance is astounding.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Listen, all I did was point out that the source posted said they have low confidence in their conclusion. I didn't say they're wrong. I have no vested interest either way in what happened. Obviously, knowing the truth either way is a good thing and I look forward to more information coming out. But all talk and no evidence leaves me waiting for some.


What I think doesn't really matter until more evidence is forthcoming. A little over 6 months ago I saw a report concluding it appears likely it originated from a wet market.

To wit,

COVID pandemic started in Wuhan market animals after all, suggests latest study

The finding comes from a reanalysis of genomic data.

www.nature.com

20 September 2024
"The hunt for the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic has new leads. Researchers have identified half a dozen animal species that could have passed SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, to people, by reanalysing genomes collected from an animal market in Wuhan, China1. The study establishes the presence of animals and the virus at the market, although it does not confirm whether the animals themselves were infected with the virus."

Covid origins: Genetic ghosts suggest pandemic started in market

A team of scientists say it is "beyond reasonable doubt" the Covid pandemic started with infected animals.

www.bbc.com

Their analysis was published last year and the raw data made available to other scientists. Now a team in the US and France says they have performed even more advanced genetic analyses to peer deeper into Covid’s early days.

It involved analysing millions of short fragments of genetic code – both DNA and RNA – to establish what animals and viruses were in the market in January 2020.

"We are seeing the DNA and RNA ghosts of these animals in the environmental samples, and some are in stalls where [the Covid virus] was found too," says Prof Florence Débarre, of the French National Centre for Scientific Research.

The results, published in the journal Cell, highlight a series of findings that come together to make their case.

It shows Covid virus and susceptible animals were detected in the same location, with some individual swabs collecting both animal and coronavirus genetic code. This is not evenly distributed across the market and points to very specific hotspots.

"We find a very consistent story in terms of this pointing - even at the level of a single stall - to the market as being the very likely origin of this particular pandemic," says Prof Kristian Andersen, from the Scripps Institute in the US.

Do you think it came from a lab or a wet market Andy I was asking your opinion which I was actually curious about.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Breaking news:

Die Zeit and Sueddeutscher Zeitung - 2 of Gemany's biggest newspapers, both mainstream, are reporting right now that BND (Germany's equivalent of the CIA) concluded in 2020 that Covid-19 escaped from the Wuhan lab.

They concluded the virus was a result of gain-of-function experiments.

After Trump came into office the CIA released a report saying Covid likely originated in the lab (but has low confidence on the conclusion). The report was "completed at the behest of the Biden admin and former CIA director William Burns".

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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/german-spy-agency-concluded-covid-virus-likely-leaked-lab-papers-say-2025-03-12/

FRANKFURT, March 12 (Reuters) - Germany's foreign intelligence service in 2020 put at 80%-90% the likelihood that the coronavirus behind the COVID-19 pandemic was accidentally released from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology, two German newspapers reported on Wednesday.

According to a joint report by publications Die Zeit and Sueddeutscher Zeitung, Germany's spying agency BND had indications that the institute had conducted gain-of-function experiments, whereby viruses are modified to become more transmissible to humans for research purposes.

It also had indications that numerous violations of safety regulations had occurred at the lab, the papers said.
The spy agency assessment's was based on an unspecified intelligence operation code-named "Saaremaa" as well as on publicly-available data. It had been commissioned by the office of Germany's chancellor at the time, Angela Merkel, but never published, the report said.

BND declined to comment. When asked about the report in a press conference, outgoing chancellor Olaf Scholz also declined to comment on Wednesday.

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The CIA believes COVID most likely originated from a lab but has low confidence in its own finding

The CIA now believes the virus responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic most likely originated from a laboratory.

apnews.com

WASHINGTON (AP) — The CIA now believes the virus responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic most likely originated from a laboratory, according to an assessment that points the finger at China even while acknowledging that the spy agency has “low confidence” in its own conclusion.

The finding is not the result of any new intelligence, and the report released Saturday was completed at the behest of the Biden administration and former CIA Director William Burns. It was declassified and released Saturday on the orders of President Donald Trump’s pick to lead the agency, John Ratcliffe, who was sworn in Thursday as director.

The nuanced finding suggests the agency believes the totality of evidence makes a lab origin more likely than a natural origin. But the agency’s assessment assigns a low degree of confidence to this conclusion, suggesting the evidence is deficient, inconclusive or contradictory.


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I know Fauci got a pardon but I think Trump should still find a way to haul him and Peter Daszak before congress. Or at the very least use the intelligence resources of the US to investigate them. Even if they can't be arrested, it serves society to find out what these two know.

In other shocking breaking news: water is wet, bears shit in woods, size DOES matter...

 

[Andy Capp]

Do you think it came from a lab or a wet market Andy I was asking your opinion which I was actually curious about.

I thought I was pretty clear about that. But here you go.

All the evidence available shows it's much more likely that it originated in wet market than in that lab but it's not a certainty. There may never be any certainty and we'll just have to settle for "the best explanation according to the data", so for now, I do.

If new information comes out that contradicts that, I'd be happy to examine it, but a German intelligence agency report from 2020 isn't that. Now, I wonder if the "anyone who thinks this didn't come from a lab is a moron" people ITT see it that way or not.