Media Georges St-Pierre, Jon Jones or Fedor Emelianenko - Who is the greatest MMA fighter of all-time? (The Finals)

Who is the greatest MMA fighter of all-time?

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Ludwig von Mises said:
Yea just 3 of the top 6 greatest fighters ever. Probably means nothing....

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So, you make a claim and now are retracting said claim?

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Post Mighty Mouse's opinion on who the GOAT is to support your claim sir or admit you're wrong and stop wasting both of our time.

You literally just went from a claim of ALL to 50% in 1 reply lol
 
Its hilarious how fedor is still considered a goat. Dude fought in an organization that was known to fix fights and fought so long ago winning fights by armbars. The game has evolved much more from 2002-2005 to now. No way is 6'0 arm winger fedor a goat fighter when you look at it overall.
 
It's impossible to pick one over the other.

All 3 are great in their own way.
 
Mike said:
Yeah it's always been a silly argument when people bring it up. Using peds in an org where they tell you they're permitted and nobody is being tested for them isn't cheating. That's not at all the same thing as using them in an org where you're told upfront they're banned, and then using masking agents to cheat the tests.
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I mean, yes and no.

Just because your opponent also gets that chance to take PEDs too doesn't mean it's not impacting whether or not you land that thunderous right hand that KOs someone cold for 2 minutes if you're only landing it because the PEDs made you faster and hit harder to do so. Your opponent may or may not be on PEDs too, but you aren't landing this shot so devastatingly without YOU being on them. They are still changing the fight.

Let alone that you don't even know which fighters were taking them to begin with unless they self-admitted it or later got caught. Or if both fighters weren't taking them. You have no idea if it's a level playing field beyond that there was the opportunity for it if they both did. Doesn't mean it was.

Which again doesn't change the fact that their results might still be very different without them.

It's better than doing so in an org where it's explicitly illegal, but it's also not just some hogwash no big deal if you did do.
 
SalvadorAllende said:
I would give him the Gus fight.. it was highly competitive tho.

Santos was a coin flip. Not much happened in that fight.

Reyes was a straight robbery. 48-47 Reyes and whoever argues that is a brainded moron.
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I like how the best argument against Jones is that he maybe lost fights by 1 round. Not even blow out 5-0 decisions against him, just competitive fights that were decided by 1 round he maybe shouldn't have gotten.

As opposed to the other dudes who got straight up submitted or KO'd, no questions asked that they did in fact lose.
 
forsh said:
Some say but Jones doped, GSP got vaseline rubbed on his body, and Fedor never fought in the UFC but if Prime Jones, Prime GSP, and Prime Fedor were all in a room .... Fedor walks out. 10-years undefeated in a division where everyone can knock you out with one punch is crazy. Did Fedor overstay his career? Sure, he's not the first, Anderson Silvia did as well, but that doesn't diminish their achievements. Look at all the great fighters who came to Fedor's last fight when he retired. How many saw GSP off...how many will see Jones off? They weren't/won't be surrounded by legends when they retire like Fedor was. Look at all of the fighters who said that Fedor was the best over the years, including GSP. Look at fighters in the UFC right now that look up to Fedor...like Shavkat. Fedor is the best to ever do it at heavyweight in MMA.
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My favourite is when people try and pretend LHW doesn't have the same KO rate as HW.
 
markg171 said:
My favourite is when people try and pretend LHW doesn't have the same KO rate as HW.
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Just for the hell of it I went to ChatGPT and asked this question "In MMA, Mixed Martial Arts, what is the KO, Knock Out, rate of Heavyweight fighters?" followed up by "Is it less or more than the Light Heavyweight division?". Data confirms that Heavyweight fighters have a higher knockout rate, and I quote, "Thus, the KO rate in the heavyweight division is one of the highest in MMA, driven by the sheer physicality and striking power of the athletes in this weight class."

Fedor fought 10-years undefeated in that division.

People crying that he never fought in the UFC do realize that Pride was the #1 fighting organization in the world, not the UFC, at that time right?
 
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I never saw anyone dominate like Anderson Silva.
 
forsh said:
Just for the hell of it I went to ChatGPT and asked this question "In MMA, Mixed Martial Arts, what is the KO, Knock Out, rate of Heavyweight fighters?" followed up by "Is it less or more than the Light Heavyweight division?". Data confirms that Heavyweight fighters have a higher knockout rate, and I quote, "Thus, the KO rate in the heavyweight division is one of the highest in MMA, driven by the sheer physicality and striking power of the athletes in this weight class."

Fedor fought 10-years undefeated in that division.

People crying that he never fought in the UFC do realize that Pride was the #1 fighting organization in the world, not the UFC, at that time right?
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You can simply check Fightmatrix that says the KO rate is 48% at HW and 44% at LHW.

Jon has fought at both without getting KO’d in 16 years.

Your talking points are outdated
 
No offense to Fedor but his resume just doesn't stack up to the other two, After his top 3 maybe 4 wins if you wanna be nice and say Timmy was a big win his resume really falls flat after that.

GSP is the best ever while Jon is the most naturally gifted while also being top 10 best fighting minds ever. GSP won the legit MW title while Jon was gifted the HW title.

Pick your poison. For Me GSP is the GOAT.

Jon can pass him if he smashes Tom and another contender at HW I will concede or Francis.

The deciding factor for me is the size advantage Jon has over most the division at 205, as I noted he is the most naturally gifted athlete in MMA history imo. The other factor is strange HW run currently. Wrestling a kickboxer who got wrestlefucked by a *striker* right before was clearly a favorable match up for Jon and Stipe now in his mid 40 coming off of a brutal loss and not winning a fight in over *50* months was a strange match up imo.

GSP of course has two losses but I would be quick to point out both were savagely avenged in lop sided rematches. He even arm barred Hughes in the 3rd fight for the ultimate revenge.
 
samoajoe said:
No offense to Fedor but his resume just doesn't stack up to the other two, After his top 3 maybe 4 wins if you wanna be nice and say Timmy was a big win his resume really falls flat after that.

GSP is the best ever while Jon is the most naturally gifted while also being top 10 best fighting minds ever. GSP won the legit MW title while Jon was gifted the HW title.

Pick your poison. For Me GSP is the GOAT.

Jon can pass him if he smashes Tom and another contender at HW I will concede or Francis.

The deciding factor for me is the size advantage Jon has over most the division at 205, as I noted he is the most naturally gifted athlete in MMA history imo. The other factor is strange HW run currently. Wrestling a kickboxer who got wrestlefucked by a *striker* right before was clearly a favorable match up for Jon and Stipe now in his mid 40 coming off of a brutal loss and not winning a fight in over *50* months was a strange match up imo.

GSP of course has two losses but I would be quick to point out both were savagely avenged in lop sided rematches. He even arm barred Hughes in the 3rd fight for the ultimate revenge.
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Well said.
 
Lee Danger said:
now compare them to the ufc tops of division of that time like Monson, Sims, McGee, Telligman, Correia...
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That post wasn't about comparing ufc and pride. Pride clearly had the better HWs
 
Ludwig von Mises said:
Yea just 3 of the top 6 greatest fighters ever. Probably means nothing....

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A day later and you still haven't proven your factually incorrect statement to be correct. Better luck next time. Next time, less hyperbole.

Lots of fighters have said GSP and Jon are the greatest of all time. Which fighter and whose opinion is more relevant than another? They're literally just people with no extra understanding than other fighters or people for that matter.
 
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