Genetics.

[SalvadorAllende]

I see these guys and have always assumed they are on all the gear, but I'm starting to believe guys, I'm starting to hope there's just super freaks.

Look at this dude... FFS... talk about a freak of nature.




And yes.. genetics are real. I struggle a lot to put muscle. I know guys that trained way less than me and are jacked.
On the other hand I have better cardio than every single person I have trained with. So being skinny pays off at some things.

 

[Phlog]

Look at this dude... FFS... talk about a freak of nature.




And yes.. genetics are real. I struggle a lot to put muscle. I know guys that trained way less than me and are jacked.
On the other hand I have better cardio than every single person I have trained with. So being skinny pays off at some things.

That YouTuber has the worst vocal genetics ever gahd

 

[SalvadorAllende]

That YouTuber has the worst vocal genetics ever gahd

Yeah.. he addresses that all the time. He compares himself to the Aladdin parrot

 

[No Skill Gap]

Yeah.. he addresses that all the time. He compares himself to the Aladdin parrot

I think it's just an act.

Greg Doucette? I assumed he was just some BB clown psuedo science guy, but I very recently started watching some of his vids, mainly about nutrition/dieting.



watch that. less than 1 year ago, his voice is totally different and normal. its an act, hes doing a character and screeching basically. Sherlock signing off

 

[SalvadorAllende]

I think it's just an act.

Greg Doucette? I assumed he was just some BB clown psuedo science guy, but I very recently started watching some of his vids, mainly about nutrition/dieting.



watch that. less than 1 year ago, his voice is totally different and normal. its an act, hes doing a character and screeching basically. Sherlock signing off

Oh yeah. If you watch his older videos he was normal.

Still dude has some of the best information out there.

 

[Cole train]

I drank a one litre bottle of rum yesterday and wasnt even drunk

Now thats genetics mofos

 

[wufabufa]

I drank a one litre bottle of rum yesterday and wasnt even drunk

Now thats genetics mofos

 

[Iron Nick]

You do indeed need to be genetically gifted to be as good as these guys, no matter how many roids you take.

It's still crazy to me how people are willing to accept that someone like Hawking or Einstein is so much more intelligent than them, but when it comes to strength, building muscle, etc., it's not feasible for them that others just have way better genetics.

 

[TeTe]

Guess a good start would be determining their FFMI. Anything over 25 and PEDs aren't out of the question. A very few could hit 26 naturally. Bone structure plays a huge part in it.

 

[cincymma79]

My wife at about 130 bodyweight deadlifted 185 the very first time she tried. Been trying to talk her into lifting ever since. I mean that's shit form and no experience. She could maybe be a decent lifter.

 

[No Skill Gap]

Guess a good start would be determining their FFMI. Anything over 25 and PEDs aren't out of the question. A very few could hit 26 naturally. Bone structure plays a huge part in it.

I've heard that before, not sure where...but I think that's bullshit.

For example, someone like Francis Ngannou. Let's pretend he's natural because there's a logical reason and good chance he is (dirt poor, from Cameroon, Africa).

Plugging him in at: 6'3, 255, 12% BF = 28.11 on the FFMI calculator.

Let's pretend he's actually 6'4, well that comes out to 27.37.

Now at 15% BF, it's 26.44.

So if he's actually 6'4 and is actually ~15% BF at the confirmed weights of ~253-260 which he's weighed in at, then he's still reaching that very few, elite range or is a bit over it technically. Makes sense, he's obviously genetically gifted. But I think there's other guys like him at varying heights that can pack on muscle and be relatively lean naturally. I don't think the FFMI, much like BMI, is not an accurate tool and it's kind of some psuedo-science bullshit.

I think a ton of athletes are on steroids/PEDs, specifically in the NFL and olympics, probably in MMA and even under USADA, but I also think there's a counter-warped perception of what is achievable naturally. Not everyone is going to look like Francis Ngannou obviously, or even say Eric Bugenhagen (lol) but I think it's very plausible each guy is 100% natural. Wouldn't floor me if both guys were on steroids either though. I just think FFMI 25-26 as some scientific law is stupid, and I've heard it before...can't recall where.

 

[Cole train]

I've heard that before, not sure where...but I think that's bullshit.

For example, someone like Francis Ngannou. Let's pretend he's natural because there's a logical reason and good chance he is (dirt poor, from Cameroon, Africa).

Plugging him in at: 6'3, 255, 12% BF = 28.11 on the FFMI calculator.

Let's pretend he's actually 6'4, well that comes out to 27.37.

Now at 15% BF, it's 26.44.

So if he's actually 6'4 and is actually ~15% BF at the confirmed weights of ~253-260 which he's weighed in at, then he's still reaching that very few, elite range or is a bit over it technically. Makes sense, he's obviously genetically gifted. But I think there's other guys like him at varying heights that can pack on muscle and be relatively lean naturally. I don't think the FFMI, much like BMI, is not an accurate tool and it's kind of some psuedo-science bullshit.

I think a ton of athletes are on steroids/PEDs, specifically in the NFL and olympics, probably in MMA and even under USADA, but I also think there's a counter-warped perception of what is achievable naturally. Not everyone is going to look like Francis Ngannou obviously, or even say Eric Bugenhagen (lol) but I think it's very plausible each guy is 100% natural. Wouldn't floor me if both guys were on steroids either though. I just think FFMI 25-26 as some scientific law is stupid, and I've heard it before...can't recall where.

Mma they are all on gear in ufc

And this from my ex coach who was in training camp at team quest to help train dan henderson against rampage back in the day (i even translated his write up on facebook about it and posted it in stand up forum here lol)

 

[No Skill Gap]

Mma they are all on gear in ufc

And this from my ex coach who was in training camp at team quest to help train dan henderson against rampage back in the day (i even translated his write up on facebook about it and posted it in stand up forum here lol)

Well I definitely think Couture and his team all used roids, for sure. That was also pre-USADA, but even now I think a lot of guys on are shit.

Wouldn't surprise me if Ngannou was on steroids at all. But what did he look like early on? Because it's highly unlikely he was taking cycles when he was working in the sand mines lol. He couldn't afford medicine for Hepatitis B apparently, it cost 1,000 dollars. So just based on that I think it's very very safe to say he wasn't on steroids at that time at least. But maybe he was smaller and softer then, I'm not sure.



This was his first MMA fight, 2013. He looks pretty jacked there, looks leaner but it also might be partially due to the lighting. At this point I believe this was in France somewhere. So of course it's very possible he joined a camp that saw the obvious potential in him, and started giving him some Capri Sun for free and groomed him, etc. Possible.

NFL is where it's the worst, I know you're from the UK or something, so you probably don't follow "American Football" but that's the sport where I would totally say everyone (aside from select positions) is on steroids and HGH. In the UFC? Probably tons of guys are I agree, but I wouldn't say all...for visualization, and this is just my opinion:

NFL = 75-95% using steroids/HGH + more shit, easily.

MMA (UFC specifically) = 50-70% on steroids/PEDs maybe at most?

 

[Cole train]

Well I definitely think Couture and his team all used roids, for sure. That was also pre-USADA, but even now I think a lot of guys on are shit.

Wouldn't surprise me if Ngannou was on steroids at all. But what did he look like early on? Because it's highly unlikely he was taking cycles when he was working in the sand mines lol. He couldn't afford medicine for Hepatitis B apparently, it cost 1,000 dollars. So just based on that I think it's very very safe to say he wasn't on steroids at that time at least. But maybe he was smaller and softer then, I'm not sure.



This was his first MMA fight, 2013. He looks pretty jacked there, looks leaner but it also might be partially due to the lighting. At this point I believe this was in France somewhere. So of course it's very possible he joined a camp that saw the obvious potential in him, and started giving him some Capri Sun for free and groomed him, etc. Possible.

NFL is where it's the worst, I know you're from the UK or something, so you probably don't follow "American Football" but that's the sport where I would totally say everyone (aside from select positions) is on steroids and HGH. In the UFC? Probably tons of guys are I agree, but I wouldn't say all...for visualization, and this is just my opinion:

NFL = 75-95% using steroids/HGH + more shit, easily.

MMA (UFC specifically) = 50-70% on steroids/PEDs maybe at most?

Heres the thread by the way if interested

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/pro-mma-training-camp-in-2007-very-long-post.3919149/

 

[No Skill Gap]

Heres the thread by the way if interested

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/pro-mma-training-camp-in-2007-very-long-post.3919149/

Thanks, cool read. Also Finland right, I probably could have read that lmao.

Yeah I mean, I've already been accused of fighter bashing and threatened to be reported to mods for a "instant perm ban" by some guy for saying I thought Couture was clearly on steroids. Doesn't surprise me at all that there is anecdote or straight up confirmation that Hendo/Couture/Mayehm/Sonnen/Quarry/JT Taylor, et all, were all using gear.

Most of them have popped for it already. Couture saying shit about alkalinity and eating vegetables got him to be ripped and fighting at the top levels of HW/LHW in the UFC at age 42-45, yeah alright lmao. Still jacked at age 50+ doing expendables. Obviously on gear, and therefore everyone under him at that camp...no surprise if they are using.

 

[Prokofievian]

Mma they are all on gear in ufc

And this from my ex coach who was in training camp at team quest to help train dan henderson against rampage back in the day (i even translated his write up on facebook about it and posted it in stand up forum here lol)

Do you train at Loop?

 

[Cole train]

Do you train at Loop?

no

but i lost to a guy from there lmao hes going pro soon, also my co worker trained there when i worked as a bouncer

(im not training anymore, i had no talent for fighting)

 

[Prokofievian]

no

but i lost to a guy from there lmao hes going pro soon

(im not training anymore, i had no talent for fighting)

Omg, me too!

 

[Blake_UK]

Guess a good start would be determining their FFMI. Anything over 25 and PEDs aren't out of the question. A very few could hit 26 naturally. Bone structure plays a huge part in it.

I kind of disagree with that. I think a lot depends on size. I have been 25-26+ fairly consistently but with a higher BF (20-30%) without ever using gear (tho I agree that PED use is rife in MMA and many other sports).

 

[Bro Scientist]

Some good science in here