Social Gender ideology is dying, common sense prevailing

none of these include trannies <lmao>

not at all indeterminate. they're quite determinate. no place for relativism. And it looks like you're fumbling desperately trying to sound astute.

yes there is, only mentally ill creeps think it's not singular. it is quite singular for the ovewhelming majority of humanity.

not at all divergent. they're actually quite convergent, converging towards "woman" and not trannies.

it sure is limited to the biological females. the rest are just creepy queers in drag.
no matter how many queers infiltrate scintific circles and put out horseshit "studies", a biological male will never, in any circumstance, and especially not linguistic, be a woman or anything even close to resembling one.

facts.

You know, you are actually so exorbitantly stupid that I will only ask you to not talk to me or address me. I will place you in ignore and advice you do the same.
 
You know, you are actually so exorbitantly stupid that I will only ask you to not talk to me or address me. I will place you in ignore and advice you do the same.
Concession accepted.
You were a pathetic debater, and now you run away cause your arguments are shit and you are having a hissy fit about being made to look like a dipshit. Absolute fail, lol.
 
So you are going to blatantly disregard everything that was said and linked to, and suddenly shift the argument to "children targeting" and hormone treatment? That was not what was in question, and you are now being a coward and hypocrite by refusing to even acknowledge what you were told.

We were talking about the gender/sex conceptual distinction. And you are so pathetically desperate when someone gives you an answer you are not prepared to confront that you change the topic. And you start bluffing by mentioning scattered cases and weird generalizations that have nothing to do with anything I said.

Be a dumb blind bigot if you like but at least have the intellectual modesty to accept you are simply going by conviction as opposed to any kind of rigor.

I have nothing to gain from talking to you.

That may be what your are talking about, I'm simply stating that men can't be woman and vice versa. There are men that are more feminine and females that are more masculine, that's a fact. Using kooky research, that redefines gender, as a means to target children with experimental drug treatments and surgeries is unethical.

The fact that you are calling me a bigot, when I've said nothing to insinuate hate towards any particular group of people just shows that your one of those rabid activists that wants to attack anyone that doesn't agree with you.
 
That may be what your are talking about, I'm simply stating that men can't be woman and vice versa. There are men that are more feminine and females that are more masculine, that's a fact. Using kooky research, that redefines gender, as a means to target children with experimental drug treatments and surgeries is unethical.

The fact that you are calling me a bigot, when I've said nothing to insinuate hate towards any particular group of people just shows that your one of those rabid activists that wants to attack anyone that doesn't agree with you.
He's going to call you names and put you on ignore lmao
 
Good lord I should have expected people in this dogshit thread to be utter imbeciles, but this truly breaks some records...
 
Maga's obsession with the lgbtq community is creepy as fuck. Mind your own fuckin business.
Morons are going to moron. The abundance of stupid people who put pronouns in bios.

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I was buying my coffee the other day and the girl stopped to correct me on her pronoun. She is studying gender studies. 😂
 
That may be what your are talking about, I'm simply stating that men can't be woman and vice versa. There are men that are more feminine and females that are more masculine, that's a fact. Using kooky research, that redefines gender, as a means to target children with experimental drug treatments and surgeries is unethical.

The fact that you are calling me a bigot, when I've said nothing to insinuate hate towards any particular group of people just shows that your one of those rabid activists that wants to attack anyone that doesn't agree with you.
Females more masculine is a issue today. That and obesity.
 
My mate's co-worker (community worker) has been assigned a tranny to assist. She told my mate this week that when she went around his house to meet him, "his cock and balls were out on display".

It made my mate's blood boil - and mine. As he said to her, "if that was a regular 'man', you'd have called the police on him for indecent exposure". That's what makes my blood boil the most about this putrid, sickening 'movement'. It's riddled with sexual deviants using it as armour to publicly carry out their perverted fetishes.

And the mental gymnastics these uber-liberal women are perfoming to justify it, is sickening.
 
Good lord I should have expected people in this dogshit thread to be utter imbeciles, but this truly breaks some records...
It seems like you're used to posting your pseudo scientific slop in echo chambers, and having a bunch of blue hairs pat you on the back. When you're challenged on it, you just get frustrated, call people names and then run away(the Leftist power move in a debate they're losing).

I'm sure there's a sub Reddit out there that can build your ego back up. Go be with your kind.
 
Maga's obsession with the lgbtq community is creepy as fuck. Mind your own fuckin business.
That's not maga, that's every normal human in the world. There is a reason of you not seeing this gay shit in non western countries and it's not because of the american one being brave heros.

Leftists are so delusional, they think everyone in the world except maga people are rainbow supporter lmaoooo


Meanwhile maga people are mild af compared to the conservatives from other countries. In fact even leftists don't support retarded shit like that in other countries, only tiny bit of short haired crazy people support them and just like in the US, they support terrorist groups and criminals too. I'm speaking from experience, i'm not some dumb delusional american.

Sometimes i'm seeing retarded guys like you saying ''whole world hate Trump'', no bro people who know about the US politics love Trump. The people who hate Trump are the ones who hate the US and they hate every president but their beliefs are so much closer to Trump than guys like you, they want a presient like Trump but they hate him because he is the president of the enemy country. But of course i'm not talking about the pussy countries like Australia, Canada, UK etc., i'm talking about the real world.

If it just was about a guy fucking another guy in the ass, you would've had so much more support. Before seeing the US, i was having sympathy to gays but you fucking retards are coming up with more dumb shit everyday you lost guys like me.

I'm an ex-muslim anti-islam guy and when it comes to treatment of gays i'm with them because you guys don't deserve freedom.
They would get killed in Palestine and they have the most freedom in the US but they hate the US and love Palestine hahahahah you can't make this shit up. I guess to get gays support, you must stone them, hang them, throw them in prison etc.
 
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It seems like you're used to posting your pseudo scientific slop in echo chambers, and having a bunch of blue hairs pat you on the back. When you're challenged on it, you just get frustrated, call people names and then run away(the Leftist power move in a debate they're losing).

I'm sure there's a sub Reddit out there that can build your ego back up. Go be with your kind.

"Challenged". <lmao>
 
This is like going to the zoo, except the beasties can say some things.
 
"Challenged". <lmao>
See? You got nothing. Just cope posting from the losing end of the debate. Not exactly unique. This is the natural end of debate for leftists when their idiotic nonsense is rejected.
 
My mate's co-worker (community worker) has been assigned a tranny to assist. She told my mate this week that when she went around his house to meet him, "his cock and balls were out on display".

It made my mate's blood boil - and mine. As he said to her, "if that was a regular 'man', you'd have called the police on him for indecent exposure". That's what makes my blood boil the most about this putrid, sickening 'movement'. It's riddled with sexual deviants using it as armour to publicly carry out their perverted fetishes.

And the mental gymnastics these uber-liberal women are perfoming to justify it, is sickening.
If you don't support the balls out movement then you are a fucking bigot
 
If you don't support the balls out movement then you are a fucking bigot


Trannies have so much in common with 'flashers', it's unbelievable. They've basically found a loophole that allows them to commit the crime of indecent exposure / flashing, with impunity. And it's all been cheered on by WOMEN. They have, in a roundabout way, caused themselves to be exposed to these sexual criminals without being able to do a thing about it.
 
There have been several court cases where transwoman have successfully sued to be allowed into female only nude spas where little girls go with their moms including King's Spa in New Jersey and Olympus Spa in Washington. Then there is the Wii Spa incident in Los Angeles where trans advocates violently protested to allow a tranny to walk around with a boner

Then they are all of a sudden all quiet when it came out that tranny was a convicted sexual predator.

Then there was the while drag queen story hour push.

Things like that is why people accuse trans advocates of being PDF files.
You’re ok with little girls and boys being allowed in nude spas?

It becomes pdf only when a trans person enters? Which nude spa does a trans man use? What little kids should see them? Boys or girls?
 
I didn't say Money was not a creep. But he was not an activist, and he was a scientist and sexologist. I gave the history behind the introduction of the distinction. That was what was at issue, not his own moral qualities.

I never said sex and gender are "completely different". I already cited many different papers that track specific issues. I said that there is a community consensus on the conceptual distinction, even if the concepts themselves are still hazily defined. To say they are different concepts is not to say that they are not referentially coextensive in many cases, or that they do not have semantic overlap.

Concerning the literature.

This is the most important foundational paper:

This is another important paper from the neurophysiological end:
And Hahn:

This is a good literature review of the scientific literature:

This is a good review of the conceptual taxonomical issues across disciplines:

You can continue to research at your own leisure, or ask specific questions. You want me to lay out an argument for the distinction between sex and gender.

1) There is a distinction between biological and social factors
2) Biological factors include sexual determination, dividing between male/female, intersex, and other types.
3) Certain social roles are commonly associated with specific sexual types, and these roles are context dependent as well as historically mutable.
4) Such roles include descriptive generalizations ("girls play with dolls, boys play with guns") and prescriptive norms ("women belong in the kitchen").
5) Such social roles determine how individuals identify one another and themselves, in relation to a variety of other determinations, including biological sex, sexual orientation, psychological and social roles, and belonging to specific communities.
6) The set of concepts comprising such social classification terms are commonly labelled under the rubric "gender".
7) Gender concepts are sometimes syntactically equivalent to biological-sex concepts (e.g. the term "male" can refer either to the biological concept, or to the gender concept) but are not semantically identical, i.e. they are not invariant under substitution; e.g. "Biological males express X-Y chromosomes" is not synonymous with "Male identifying individuals express X-Y chromosomes," since they are not co-referential nor sense-equivalent.
8) The concepts "sex" and "gender" while correlated to sexual determination in different ways, and always (trivially) coextensive with biologically sexed individuals, therefore are not coextensive (extensionally identical) nor sense-equivalent (intensionally identical).


I can formalize this with basic predicate calculus (quantificational logic):

1) ∃x (Sex(x) Biological(x)) and ∃x (Gender(x) ∧ Social(x))
There exist classifications of individuals that are biologically grounded (Sex) and classifications that are socially grounded (Gender).
2)Sex(x) is by B-properties (e.g., chromosomal type, reproductive anatomy).
Sexual classification tracks biological factors.
3) Gender(x) is a function of S-properties, including descriptive norms (e.g., behavioral generalizations) and prescriptive norms (e.g., normative role expectations).
Gender classification tracks socially constructed roles and expectations.
4) ∃x,y (Sex(x) = Sex(y) ∧ Gender(x) ≠ Gender(y))
There exist individuals who share a biological sex but differ in gender identity.

5) ∃x,y (Gender(x) = Gender(y) ∧ Sex(x) ≠ Sex(y))
There exist individuals who share a gender identity but differ in biological sex.
6) For some term t (e.g., "male"), t may refer either to Sex(x) or Gender(x), but such terms are not generally substitutable. "Male" is syntactically ambiguous and context-sensitive; semantic content varies across uses.
7) Let C(x) be a classification concept (e.g., "male") applied to the set x of human individuals. Then:

If C(x) = Sex(x), it refers to B-properties.

If C(x) = Gender(x), it refers to S-properties.

But C(x) ≠ C(y) unless both sense and reference are preserved.

Conclusion) Sex and Gender are distinct but partially correlated classification schemes.

Formally:
¬∀x (Sex(x) ↔ Gender(x)) ∧ ¬∀x (Sex(x) ≡ Gender(x))

That is, Sex and Gender are neither coextensive (extensionally identical) nor sense-equivalent (intensionally identical).

Have a good day.

Oh, and with regard to what is a woman?

The term "woman" refers to the set of individuals who are members of the human species, and who are traditionally identified with either (a) specific biological sex, itself determined by specific physiological/anatomical (they have a vagina), developmental ("ovulation begins in puberty..."), and genetic properties (XX chromosome), or (b) specific gender roles, determined a variety of historically and culturally varied social (women are mothers), cognitive (women are more emotional than men), behavioral (women lie more than men), normative determinations (women belong in the kitchen).

As the disjunctive in the definition indicates, the term "woman" refers therefore to an indeterminate plurality of concepts that are semantically/extensionally divergent, while also overlapping to varying extents, i.e. there is no singular concept woman that everyone uses, but divergent concepts share partially in reference and sense, e.g. the set of all female-identifying individuals includes but is not limited to a subset of biological females.

This is a long winded way of telling us that you are confusing gender and gender roles. You're just merely using a wide vocabulary to not only make people think you're intellectual, but to also distort the fact that you're spouting nonsense here on a topic that is already set in stone. The rest of us logical people see right through the bullshit.

Your second to last paragraph is a shining example of the activists version of the definition of a woman. Everything after "or" is outright nonsensical.

I have folded laundry, done the dishes, cooked dinner and done plenty of other things that the stereotypical gender role for women would be. That does not make me a woman. If my wife changes the oil or mows the lawn, she is not a man. All we've done is merely do the work of the typical role of the other gender. That does not change our gender.

I'll spare you the pseudo intellectual psycho babble and let you know what the definition of a woman is, it's an adult female. A female is the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, which require the fertilization from a male. Doing the dishes does not make a man produce eggs. I can't believe you wrote all that out and didn't even think more than a half step ahead on this.
 
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