Social Gender ideology is dying, common sense prevailing

A lot of people would think some of his views are transphobic. He essentially doesn't accept the concept of gender at all.

But he is also actively trying to be kind and find compromise, and he doesn't spread misinformation or talk shit about trans people.

So no, I don't think he's transphobic.
Why do you continue to lie about my positions? Quote one place where I deny gender.

You have had to apologize to me twice publicly for lying about my positions. Don't you think you'd learn something from that and be a better actor?

Dang man. I think there might be something wrong with you.
 
Why do you continue to lie about my positions? Quote one place where I deny gender.
Well, you have repeatedly called trans women "men"
You have had to apologize to me twice publicly for lying about my positions. Don't you think you'd learn something from that and be a better actor?
I really don't bear you any ill will and I consider you a good person.
Dang man. I think there might be something wrong with you.
Oh, there is definitely something wrong with me. No one would accuse me of being a reasonable, well-adjusted, totally normal person.
 
So it turns out that Canada's new Prime Minister, Mark Carney, has a child (Sasha) who apparently identifies as non-binary.

The attacks on Mr. Carney and Sasha seem pretty disgusting overall. In fact, Sasha's writings seem overall quite sane and reveal quite mature introspection.

The only question that matters is whether Mr. Carney has a healthy relationship with his child. If he does, then he has succeeded as a father.

 
Well, you have repeatedly called trans women "men"

I really don't bear you any ill will and I consider you a good person.

Oh, there is definitely something wrong with me. No one would accuse me of being a well-adjusted totally normal person.
I find your inability to think outside of your own positioning to be crippling. You come across as educated, but you lack any of the qualities that a truly educated person has and you seem completely unwilling to understand another person's position or even state them correctly, or the ability to entertain them as a possibility in opposition to your own.

It's sad really because it's an emotional handicap that causes you not to think clearly. The fact that you are ultimately driven by emotion in your thinking is why you always end up thinking that other people are driven by emotion too. It's a projection on your part and a lack of intellectual rigor where you actually deal with a person's positions rather than castigating where they are coming from.

I never said I deny the phenomenon that is described as gender by certain scholars. I just think that their entire schema is ill thought out and is dependent on ridiculous and stupid stereotypes and false limitations that themselves fall apart under scrutiny. I think overall the way the schema is being presented to the public is limiting and damaging rather than helpful. Not only to trans people or gay people, but also to heterosexual people who I think by and large desperately need a more broad paradigm of expression within their sex and are harmed by it.

In particular, I find that defining a person based on their gender is deeply harmful. We should be looking for less labels but at the same time offering people more knowledge and range of potential traits and behaviors. We should see none of this as fixed, but instead see all of this as casting lines out for truth in the ultimate discovery process of who and what we really are.... Accepting and applying labels by people that are barely conscious and have done almost no inner work at all is harmful to the process of self-discovery as anyone who's done any work on that level can a test to.

I think this limitation harms marriages most especially because it gets at the very nature of what men and women are allowed to be in our culture and gets to the expectations that each gender has of the other and the pressures and unnecessary limitations that produces in a person when they have to stifle who they are in order to be accepted in the current paradigm. It turns people into pretend actors instead of authentic human beings.

The notion that there is a range of behavior allowable for men and women is completely acceptable to me. How to describe that? What language to use? What the best framework is for navigating the phenomenon is what is up for dispute in my mind.

Ultimately, we are not talking about trans and gender. We're talking about what it means to be human, what it means to be male and what it means to be female. And I do not think that the current paradigm is thinking very deeply about this at all and is using childish stereotypes in its definitions and diagnostics. It all seems very amateurish to me.


I alluded to all of this in short form, but apparently you didn't listen or read it before you replied.

This is what I mean about the discourse in the states on this topic... It's pathetic. You can get more thoughtful discourse from blue collar workers in Europe than you can from educated people in the states. When I started looking into this phenomenon three or so years ago, mainly because of sherdog threads posted about it. I didn't find a lot of helpful discourse from the states, but I found all kinds of podcasts and especially panels with scholars on them from varying perspectives from Europe. And it's not that I found a monolith of agreement, but at least I found healthy intellectual discourse.
 
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The right wing obsession is real. 56 pages and counting. Look at the proud boy phobes who haven't stopped posting for days in this thread. OP and his war room ilk spend hours of their day reviewing before and after photos of trans people. It's the ultimate circle jerk over something they apparently want no part of. Don't forget to hydrate, fellas.
 
The right wing obsession is real. 56 pages and counting. Look at the proud boy phobes who haven't stopped posting for days in this thread. OP and his war room ilk spend hours of their day reviewing before and after photos of trans people. It's the ultimate circle jerk over something they apparently want no part of. Don't forget to hydrate, fellas.
I take partial blame (or credit?) for this. I have been directly challenging them and saying things that trigger the shit out of them.
 
They deserve to be challenged though. The bigotry is disgusting.
I am here for it. I got thread banned from the transgender mega thread like two years ago for pointing out the hypocrisy of transphobes (and breaking forum rules in the process).


So here is where I will fight them.
 
Yes, an Asian man who pretended to be a woman worked at a restaurant where I worked and I started giving him a ride home and we were kissing in the car a few times although I never got further than that because he would not let me....


I had to be informed by his friend that I was actually giving a ride home to a man. Obviously that person quit working after that and never showed their face again.
This post made my day.

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So it turns out that Canada's new Prime Minister, Mark Carney, has a child (Sasha) who apparently identifies as non-binary.

The attacks on Mr. Carney and Sasha seem pretty disgusting overall. In fact, Sasha's writings seem overall quite sane and reveal quite mature introspection.

The only question that matters is whether Mr. Carney has a healthy relationship with his child. If he does, then he has succeeded as a father.


Billboard Chris is an absolute piece of shit loser
 
You have tried to lie and pretend that I think trans people are more violent than the other population.
never said that. i played back your own words.
It's men invading women's spaces... and male pattern violence is a real thing and there's no evidence whatever to support that men who think of themselves as women are less violent than men who don't.
are testosterone levels associated with violence?
So the problem is men in women's restrooms. Men are the problem. Those men being trans changes nothing except that it gives men opportunity to be in a women's space.
this is your OPINION. and you know most trans women are not looking for "an opportunity". they are looking for a toilet. criminals look for an opportunity.
The whole issue of trans people in women's bathrooms really comes down to men having problems with violence against other men and men dumping that problem onto women in women's restrooms.
that's nonsense. i don't even know what it means.
 
never said that. i played back your own words.

are testosterone levels associated with violence?

this is your OPINION. and you know most trans women are not looking for "an opportunity". they are looking for a toilet. criminals look for an opportunity.

that's nonsense. i don't even know what it means.
What it means is that they are men and men are the people who commit violence against women and men too. So we have a problem where if a man who dresses like a woman goes into a man's restroom, that person may be beaten or bullied which is obviously unacceptable. But rather than men dealing with violence against men, we dump that problem onto women and just say that those men should go into women's restrooms. But the problem with that is that they are still men and they are not outside of the statistical pool of male pattern violence. Not to mention a whole other laundry list of complaints from women about men being in their restrooms unrelated to physical safety.

The fact that the person is trans absolutely does not make them more likely to cause physical harm to a woman in a restroom, but it also does not make them less likely than another men to do so. So the problem of potential violence has nothing to do with the person being trans except as trans gives them access to women in these cases.

So because men bully men in restrooms, we dump men into women's restrooms (or other spaces) and I think that's an ill thought out solution that just does what always happens... men dumping problems onto women.


Also you didn't just quote my position. You rephrased it dishonestly which I would expect because the trans activist side tends to think that lying and slander is an acceptable practice as a matter of policy. It's okay to lie and slander to get the ends that they're obviously correct about. But that's just the ends justifies the means kind of thinking which everyone knows is stupid.

I don't even mind if we disagree man. Just so you know it's okay with me. I would expect thoughtful people to have disagreements about how to navigate this entire situation... I just wish you could be honest in your discussions and maybe offer me the same generosity.

This is why I don't support trans people using women's spaces in prisons, bathrooms, changing rooms, gyms shelters, etc.

Instead, I think that we should spend the money as a society to ensure that there are single use restrooms in every single government building, in all new buildings that are built, retrofitted to existing buildings whenever possible and placed throughout cities so that trans people always have a place they can go. That is safe and frankly, if they're single use restrooms that would benefit fathers with daughters mothers with sons etc. So it would be better for all of society anyway. That sounds like a win-win situation with nobody giving up any rights or privacies that they already have.


For a certain trans activists that will never be enough though. And it's because for some of them this is about power and about forcing people to accept something about themselves that is unacceptable to many. They aren't actually looking for a solution to bathrooms and changing rooms. They're looking to force people to see them them the way they do. But personally, I don't believe that given a real choice that all trans people would even side with trans activists on this issue and I would guess that many of them wish everyone would just shut up about it and come up with a solution that didn't create so much division.
 
I don’t see the Democrat party improving anytime soon at this point. It’s run by donor backed progressive radicals. That’s sad because America is a stronger country when there’s two capable parties.

I’m curious, what are you Democrats supporting at this point?
 
They do in this context. You accused me of being trans. I am not.

Please keep your sexual fanfiction to yourself. That's weird.

Yeah, I bet you have a real interesting search history

No, learning things in the real world is how you can break out of your bubble. You should try it.

Of course, any person accused of being trans responds with 'I am a cisgender heterosexual white male' instead of 'huh?' Or 'no'.

Whoah bruh. I just referred to a cock and balls flapping about. Which there is nothing inherently sexual about according to your own locker room arguments. Please control yourself.

Sure do

Being in the real world is how I know 99% of trans women don't want to get their dicks out in spas, women's locker rooms, female school changing rooms, they don't want to play sport against bio women, etc. It's the internet obsessives who want that. Majority of regular trans folk are embarrassed by them. No different to regular conservatives being embarrassed by extremists or leftists being embarrassed by their own retards.


The right wing obsession is real. 56 pages and counting. Look at the proud boy phobes who haven't stopped posting for days in this thread. OP and his war room ilk spend hours of their day reviewing before and after photos of trans people. It's the ultimate circle jerk over something they apparently want no part of. Don't forget to hydrate, fellas.

While many different people have poked their heads In and thought 'nah fuck that' your boy Ares is the only person who hasn't stopped posting for days in this thread. Not surprised if 30% of the total posts here are from him. Obsession alright.
 
Of course, any person accused of being trans responds with 'I am a cisgender heterosexual white male' instead of 'huh?' Or 'no'.
Lol, except I'm not a moron. Just saying huh or no doesn't mean anything. Saying I'm cisgender triggers dipshits like you.
Whoah bruh. I just referred to a cock and balls flapping about. Which there is nothing inherently sexual about according to your own locker room arguments. Please control yourself.
You literally talked about dudes fucking your "trans friends".

Totally normal thing to say.
Sure do

Being in the real world is how I know 99% of trans women don't want to get their dicks out in spas, women's locker rooms, female school changing rooms, they don't want to play sport against bio women, etc.
Lol, yeah I'm sure you've really got your finger on the pulse of the trans community
It's the internet obsessives who want that. Majority of regular trans folk are embarrassed by them. No different to regular conservatives being embarrassed by extremists or leftists being embarrassed by their own retards.
We don't use the R-word any more. What are you, retarded?
While many different people have poked their heads In and thought 'nah fuck that' your boy Ares is the only person who hasn't stopped posting for days in this thread. Not surprised if 30% of the total posts here are from him. Obsession alright.
Yeah, I am obsessed with dunking on transphobes.
 
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