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Social Gender ideology is dying, common sense prevailing

@terrapin How about just shitting rooms? All sexes allowed. This is such a non-issue and when you harp on It I can tell you are either not smart enough or are just being dishonest. Fucking bathrooms???????????
 
That's one study. Have you seen any of the others? Some only polled a few dozen to a few hundred.

And that doesn't address the single most important flaw of these studies. SHORT FOLLOW UP TIME.

The studies only followed up from 6 months to a year. That is COMPLETELY USELESS. The vast majority of people reporting are going to say they don't regret it because they literally just did it. It's a sunk cost fallacy and euphoria from just getting this done.

Where are the studies that follow up after 5, 10, 15, 20 years? Where are the regret rates of people who did it and then 10 years later they can't have kids or they do not have proper sexual function or they have adverse side effects from taking hormones for years? There are none - because widespread gender transitions is only a recent phenomenon.

On top of that, we have to we have to find the regret rate among people who did it as KIDS. Not the general regret rate that includes adults. All these studies are showing regret rates for the general populace.

The debate we're having now in society is about TRANSING KIDS. No one has a problem with adults doing it.
No dude, that's what I'm trying to tell you- that's called a meta study, which throws out the bad studies and keeps the more credible and combines them to get the general picture. That is NOT one study. You are wrong about long term satisfaction, and you don't know anyone from these communities, so you have no reference for how it generally is. I know people that have and have come across many on clinical environments that I've worked.

Several studies have investigated long-term satisfaction among individuals who have undergone gender-affirming surgeries, with follow-up periods extending beyond one year:
  1. Systematic Review of Regret Rates: A comprehensive review analyzed 27 studies encompassing 7,928 transgender patients who underwent various gender-affirming surgeries. The findings indicated a pooled regret rate of 1% (95% CI <1%–2%). The review highlighted that advancements in surgical techniques and improved patient selection criteria have contributed to these low regret rates. americanjournalofsurgery.com+2pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov+2jamanetwork.com+2
  2. Long-Term Satisfaction Post-Mastectomy: A cross-sectional study surveyed 139 individuals who had undergone gender-affirming mastectomy between 1990 and 2020, with a median follow-up of 3.6 years. Participants reported high satisfaction levels, with a median satisfaction score of 5 on a 5-point scale, and minimal regret, with a median decisional regret score of 0 on a 100-point scale. jamanetwork.com
  3. 40-Year Follow-Up Study: A study published in 2022 examined long-term outcomes of individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery over a 40-year period. The research demonstrated sustained high patient satisfaction, improved gender dysphoria, and reduced mental health comorbidities persisting decades after surgery, with no reported patient regret. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

These studies collectively suggest that individuals who undergo gender-affirming surgeries generally maintain high levels of satisfaction and low regret rates in the long term, extending well beyond one-year post-surgery.

If you want to discuss kids having trans surgeries, I would love to discuss that with you. That has ZERO to do with consenting adults having surgeries though.
Gender-affirming surgeries among minors in the United States are exceedingly rare. A study analyzing data from 2016 to 2019 found that only 405 individuals aged 12 to 18 underwent such procedures, representing a small fraction of all gender-affirming surgeries performed during that period. jamanetwork.com

Further research indicates that the majority of these surgeries among minors are chest-related procedures. A study reviewing a national pediatric surgical database identified 108 transgender minors who underwent gender-affirming surgeries between 2018 and 2021, accounting for approximately 0.04% of all transgender youth nationwide. Notably, about 95% of these surgeries were chest surgeries, and only 10 patients were under the age of 16. jamanetwork.comhrc.org

These findings underscore the infrequency of gender-affirming surgeries among minors in the U.S., with such procedures being performed sparingly and primarily involving older adolescents undergoing chest surgeries.
 
The debate we're having now in society is about TRANSING KIDS.
That isn't actually a real thing that happens in real life. Maybe some bizarre and tragic isolated incidents.

Denying trans youth access to life-saving treatment is absolutely reprehensible.
No one has a problem with adults doing it.
Well that's obviously not true.
 
@terrapin How about just shitting rooms? All sexes allowed. This is such a non-issue and when you harp on It I can tell you are either not smart enough or are just being dishonest. Fucking bathrooms???????????
nobody is harping on it. I thought we had worked through the initial emotion and were then maybe going to have a decent respectful discussion of the differences and why we hold them.....

I think bathrooms should be segregated by sex. there is a long history of women fighting for their own restroom spaces and I think social norms ought to be held in place in this regard. I think it makes women safer and little girls safer that way. but it goes far beyond that. its also about the general level of comfort that women and girls feel in a protected space that I think should be preserved.


I don't think there is a way or need to guard those spaces with security or something though. it should just be left to social norms and the law in general that men don't enter women's restrooms.
 
I don't think there is a way or need to guard those spaces with security or something though. it should just be left to social norms and the law in general that men don't enter women's restrooms.
Wait. Do you think that trans women are men?
 
this post does not make sense linguistically. but I think I get the general gist of things.

I do support sex based segregation for bathrooms, locker rooms, changing rooms, prisons, shelters, and for sports. and I absolutely support mandatory disclosure for a persons actual biological sex for dating sights. it is dishonest and wrong (possibly criminal) to pretend to be something you are not and allow romantic activity to happen.

not sure about jobs though..... I don't think it matters what sex a person is in the workplace at all. basically everywhere else besides what I listed I dont think a person sex matters in any way or is something a person needs to know.

my friend is a respiratory therapist and she recently had an issue with a family that would not disclose the actual sex of their kid and it was/is a real problem because she MUST change the treatment based on sex... so I suppose it really matters there too in some cases.
Does the following sound like something you would say? (note, you did….)

there are quotas being filled by men in the uk that were designed specifically to help women. women have been bumped in place of men taking them. they are set aside for positions in the workplace and in the government. that is taking away from women any way you slice it. look at the gymnastics you have to do to pretend otherwise man....

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your position will also make it IMPOSSIBLE for corporations and businesses to provide medical insurance for employees. do you actually suggest that corporations not be privy to male and female designations when putting aside funding to insure men and women and varying ages of those men and women.


so, you have taken the position that employers need to know. Unless you’ve changed your position…

You have also called trans women “violent men invading womens spaces”.
 
I think "bathrooms" is such a lazy discussion. I would make unisex bathrooms that are secure and wash my hands of it. Girl? Guy? Trans? Want to lay a big 'ole gator? No worries.
 
Does the following sound like something you would say? (note, you did….)

there are quotas being filled by men in the uk that were designed specifically to help women. women have been bumped in place of men taking them. they are set aside for positions in the workplace and in the government. that is taking away from women any way you slice it. look at the gymnastics you have to do to pretend otherwise man....

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your position will also make it IMPOSSIBLE for corporations and businesses to provide medical insurance for employees. do you actually suggest that corporations not be privy to male and female designations when putting aside funding to insure men and women and varying ages of those men and women.


so, you have taken the position that employers need to know. Unless you’ve changed your position…

You have also called trans women “violent men invading women's spaces”.
i think employers need to know for health insurance reasons. I don't think employees need to know or should even care frankly. quotas are a thing in certain European countries and yes a quota setting aside funding or preference for women should not go to a trans man.
 
Even on the sports issue which is the only trans thing I'm questionable on anymore (and I hardly am at this point), I don't see why people don't take a small government approach and just let the scientists and athletic commissions decide on trans women in women's sports as they have been. Trans people have been allowed to compete in the Olympics since 2003. The number competing overall in sports is incredibly tiny too. I've been guilty of not looking into the issue and numbers enough in the past and being ignorant. I've even discussed and argued about it a bit on here privately and was educated, especially after I looked into it further after arguing, among other topics.

A few trans activists wilding doesn't negate that trans people should have full legal rights and be protected, same with any marginalized group in society.

There's also extremely passing trans people and you'd be smoking crack to try to not make them use the bathroom of their gender identity (good luck spotting them for one thing) or denying everyone else who's less passing. There's nuance for different facets of the discussion, I get it, but overall just leave these motherfuckers alone.
 
They care so much about women’s spaces they insist that bearded trans men full of exogenous testosterone use the woman’s room.
This person is a woman, apparently.

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