Economy The most common kind of business in the UK is Buy-to-Let.

[Fossor]

It's the excuse they use.

Let's talk about tackling rampant greed first. Then we can look at the excuses they want us to talk about instead.

Ground rent is a huge factor that hopefully they deal with tomorrow. Then we can look at standard rent rates.

This is what is called a distraction.

But I don't want to talk about your topics. They are pointless to argue about. Cause you sound like another keyboard Che Guevara, a virtual revolutionary. On paper you and your kind know exactly what the problem with the world, while operating with silly words like greed, human rights, capitalism and nazis. But in real world none of your kind have ever created a self sustaning, successful human society. I want to emphasize again, I don't want to talk about these things.

What I wanted to hear is that immigration does not affect the Buy-to-Let, because that's what it might have seemed like when you quoted me.

 

[cmw43]

Okay, yes.

But also the lack of affordable homes is again down to greed.

Contractors aren't interested in making homes that are easily affordable.

They need to be forced to keep prices down or they won't.

Yeah I'd agree with that.

After WW2 the UK government set out on a massive programme of affordable "council housing" they built to give families somewhere cheap to live and they basically did it at cost.

 

[Siver!]

But I don't want to talk about your topics. They are pointless to argue about. Cause you sound like another keyboard Che Guevara, a virtual revolutionary. On paper you and your kind know exactly what the problem with the world, while operating with silly words like greed, human rights, capitalism and nazis. But in real world none of your kind have ever created a self sustaning, successful human society. I want to emphasize again, I don't want to talk about these things.

What I wanted to hear is that immigration does not affect the Buy-to-Let, because that's what it might have seemed like when you quoted me.

That's fine.

But this is a scary story to tell in the dark.

Blame immigration instead, despite the fact it is a secondary cause. You went straight to it, your first thought on the subject. Good boy. That's what you're meant to do.

It's lazy rhetoric from the people that want to charge you too much.

You disagree. No issue.

 

[Siver!]

Yeah I'd agree with that.

After WW2 the UK government set out on a massive programme of affordable "council housing" they built to give families somewhere cheap to live and they basically did it at cost.

Time to do that again.

 

[Siver!]

Election 2024: migrants aren’t to blame for Britain’s housing crisis

There are already many barriers in place to stop migrants from accessing social housing.

theconversation.com

All in all, there is no evidence of widespread opportunism among migrants taking advantage of a lax housing allocation system. And blaming migration for housing shortages allows politicians to distract from the real causes.

As the above-cited letter from housing professionals comments: “Further rationing of an already scarce resource does not address the failures of the last 40 years.” Rather than excluding groups from accessing housing, whoever is next in Number 10 must prioritise making this resource more plentiful. Both main parties have promised to build homes, but without making them affordable and accessible, the housing crisis will continue.

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Probably as good as I can produce @Fossor

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Because of the lack of housing and increasing demand, property prices keep going up, so mortgages go up and interest rates have gone up which all leads to increasing rent.

It going up is more due to rich people having more disposable income due to increasing inequality and spending it on property driving prices up.

Rent control is needed.

 

[Fossor]

That's fine.

But this is a scary story to tell in the dark.

Blame immigration instead, despite the fact it is a secondary cause. You went straight to it, your first thought on the subject. Good boy. That's what you're meant to do.

It's lazy rhetoric from the people that want to charge you too much.

You disagree. No issue.

We are not here to discuss my reasons or your "ability" to predict them. You opposed what I wrote without thinking it through properly. Happens.

Election 2024: migrants aren’t to blame for Britain’s housing crisis

There are already many barriers in place to stop migrants from accessing social housing.

theconversation.com

All in all, there is no evidence of widespread opportunism among migrants taking advantage of a lax housing allocation system. And blaming migration for housing shortages allows politicians to distract from the real causes.

As the above-cited letter from housing professionals comments: “Further rationing of an already scarce resource does not address the failures of the last 40 years.” Rather than excluding groups from accessing housing, whoever is next in Number 10 must prioritise making this resource more plentiful. Both main parties have promised to build homes, but without making them affordable and accessible, the housing crisis will continue.

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Probably as good as I can produce @Fossor

More people means higher rent prices, it is a very simple formula. And if you haven't built enough housing but you're still bringing in immigrants, then your immigration policy is wrong. Also very simple.

 

[Siver!]

We are not here to discuss my reasons or your "ability" to predict them. You opposed what I wrote without thinking it through properly. Happens.



More people means higher rent prices, it is a very simple formula. And if you haven't built enough housing but you're still bringing in immigrants, then your immigration policy is wrong. Also very simple.

You asked me to produce a source saying exactly what I'm saying, and I did.

We need more affordable housing, we need rent control, and we need to end the farce surrounding ground rent.

Governments failing on these issues CONSTANTLY is what I'll focus on.

We could use some immigrants to come in and help us build, because decades of failure has left the industry itself incapable.

So I guess you're right. Immigration is the issue: bring construction workers in like many other countries do.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Yeah I'd agree with that.

After WW2 the UK government set out on a massive programme of affordable "council housing" they built to give families somewhere cheap to live and they basically did it at cost.

Council housing is still provided in the UK

Other countries like nz have tried govt built housing to buy but ended up massively under delivering on the promised number and they ended up not being really any more affordable than what the market built

 

[William Huggins]

It going up is more due to rich people having more disposable income due to increasing inequality and spending it on property driving prices up.

Rent control is needed.

It's partly both, but rent control isn't going to stop massive influxes of immigration into the country and with people house/flat sharing and subletting, it's practically impossible to control.

They'll just be a grey market for renting, which is already going on...... It will just be worse....... Your idea works better when you've got enough properties to begin with....... And people that will play by the rules..... UK has neither......

 

[Fossor]

You asked me to produce a source saying exactly what I'm saying, and I did.

But you didn't. I asked you for source that proves that immigration doesn't affect the Buy-to-Let sector.
Construction workers do not stay in the countries where they work. Most countries do not even allow them to bring their families.

 

[Siver!]

But you didn't. I asked you for source that proves that immigration doesn't affect the Buy-to-Let sector.
Construction workers do not stay in the countries where they work. Most countries do not even allow them to bring their families.

Okay. Immigration has an effect.

I shouldn't have said it didn't have any.

There.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Council housing is still provided in the UK

Other countries like nz have tried govt built housing to buy but ended up massively under delivering on the promised number and they ended up not being really any more affordable than what the market built

Council housing isn't provided to anywhere near the extent that it used to be, though there are housing associations that pick up some of the slack in that regard

 

[Hellowhosthat]

It's partly both, but rent control isn't going to stop massive influxes of immigration into the country and with people house/flat sharing and subletting, it's practically impossible to control.

They'll just be a grey market for renting, which is already going on...... It will just be worse....... Your idea works better when you've got enough properties to begin with....... And people that will play by the rules..... UK has neither......

Yeah I'm anti further immigration to be clear. But I'm still pro rent control.

You have plenty of properties where the landlord doesn't have a mortgage and they're still pumping up their rental prices as a general rule.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Council housing isn't provided to anywhere near the extent that it used to be, though there are housing associations that pick up some of the slack in that regard

You still provide a lot relative must other countries, especially other English speaking western countries. You should end the idiotic right to buy scheme for council housing and that would help.

On a side note it's a shame a lot of the UKs council housing is ugly as all fuck, the downside of building them as cheap as possible I guess

 

[Hellowhosthat]

You still provide a lot relative must other countries, especially other English speaking western countries. You should end the idiotic right to buy scheme for council housing and that would help.

On a side note it's a shame a lot of the UKs council housing is ugly as all fuck, the downside of building them as cheap as possible I guess

I didn't have a problem with right to buy really, it allowed people to get on the property ladder who wouldn't have been able to otherwise.

 

[moreorless87]

A massive factor in the UK as well is low interest rates which has driven the market in people owning a rental property as basically a pension, often actually rented out via a scummy agent.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

I didn't have a problem with right to buy really, it allowed people to get on the property ladder who wouldn't have been able to otherwise.

The issue is councils are forced to continuously sell their housing stock, at well below market price so they're forced to try and constantly build more just to keep their current stock level at a great cost to rate payers.

Another issue is the right to buy essentially gives people a huge windfall reward for being on a benefit for an extended period of time, not something to be encouraged for practical purposes and morally it unpleasant to tax payers to be paying for what is effectively a large bonus to beneficiaries.

Where I'm there is a private housing trust providing housing to the needy. The first round they did they built and sold at below market but messed up by not providing any restrictions on on selling the properties so many were quickly resold at a large gain, ruining the point of the scheme. They did learn their lesson and put restrictions on future sales that they could only be sold back to the trust at cost plus a certain % a year. The uks right to buy should learn from this.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

The issue is councils are forced to continuously sell their housing stock, at well below market price so they're forced to try and constantly build more just to keep their current stock level at a great cost to rate payers.

Another issue is the right to buy essentially gives people a huge windfall reward for being on a benefit for an extended period of time, not something to be encouraged for practical purposes and morally it unpleasant to tax payers to be paying for what is effectively a large bonus to beneficiaries.

Where I'm there is a private housing trust providing housing to the needy. The first round they did they built and sold at below market but messed up by not providing any restrictions on on selling the properties so many were quickly resold at a large gain, ruining the point of the scheme. They did learn their lesson and put restrictions on future sales that they could only be sold back to the trust at cost plus a certain % a year. The uks right to buy should learn from this.

People using right to buy are usually council tenants who are working. Unemployed ones aren't getting a mortgage to pay off the remainder.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

The UK is near to top in Europe for the amount of social housing provided already

It seems something else is going wrong