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Social Gender ideology is dying, common sense prevailing

Holy fuck it's like talking to a wall
You contradict yourself, you think they're clearly distinguisble of women by not compete with them in sports, simultaneously you think day by day they are legitimately like a woman. Its insane the level of mental gymnastics i give it to you.
 
Words have meanings.

A trans woman is not the same thing as a man. I'm sorry if you are having a hard time telling the difference.
While you major in trans studies the rest of us will focus on real life issues. Good day, freak.
 
Leftists sure do love silencing rational opinions.

There's not really anything rational about a massively emotional reaction to a group of people though.

These guys can't even intellectualize their own feelings. They just know they don't like it and don't have any empathy. Big deal. Any need to keep parroting that?
 
I know there're, didn't thought you think they had different levels of testosterone compared to guys. Meaning also a guy pretending to be a woman its pretty obvious, wich you insist it isn't.
Ok. One last time.



If a man wanted to compete with women in sports (like Mike Tyson) he would need to drastically lower his testosterone levels to the acceptable female range. It would take a long time and have extreme effects on his body.

He could not just say "I'm a woman now!" and start beating up women.
 
If he were a trans woman he certainly could. I don't think he could pass though.

Being 'trans' has nothing to do with 'passing'. According to gender ideology, it's simply a feeling.
No one chooses to be trans. They either are or they aren't. They choose to tell people.

That's because you aren't very smart

What is 'trans'?

Right wing positions are all about gut feelings and emotions.

You just described transgenderism. lol
 
You contradict yourself, you think they're clearly distinguisble of women by not compete with them in sports, simultaneously you think day by day they are legitimately like a woman. Its insane the level of mental gymnastics i give it to you.
Trans competition in sports is a complicated issue.

Trans rights in general society is not. Let people be who they are.
 
Cool.

If that's all you got and you just don't care about them like I suggested, that'll be your last post about them, right?
What? No. I'll stop talking about them, when they stop being crazy and insisting on fucking around with kids and demanding to be treated like biological women.

But again, this isn't about me leaving them alone. It's about me leaving YOU alone, and pointing out how stupid your arguments are. You just want me to stop pointing out how ridiculous you sound, because deep down inside, you know I'm right and you can't fucking stand it.
 
Ok. One last time.



If a man wanted to compete with women in sports (like Mike Tyson) he would need to drastically lower his testosterone levels to the acceptable female range. It would take a long time and have extreme effects on his body.

He could not just say "I'm a woman now!" and start beating up women.
He already had so much advance for the years of being a man like bone structure and density, muscle density, muscle fibers , ligaments, etc...so many things that would give him the upper edge.

...... that s also why he s easily identifiable as a man, and forcing other people to recognize him as a woman , insanity.
Like almost every other "trans".
 
He already had so much advance for the years of being a man like bone structure and density, muscle density, muscle fibers , ligaments, etc...so many things that would give him the upper edge.

...... that s also why he s easily identifiable as a man, and forcing other people to recognize him as a woman , insanity.
Like almost every other "trans".
Ok, we're done here. You are a very stupid person.
 
There's not really anything rational about a massively emotional reaction to a group of people though.

These guys can't even intellectualize their own feelings. They just know they don't like it and don't have any empathy. Big deal. Any need to keep parroting that?

Do leftists close themselves off from different viewpoints because they are leftist, or do people that hate other opinions just tend to gravitate towards modern leftism?

It is a common thing for right wingers to understand leftists but leftists completely having no idea about right wing ideology.
 
What? No. I'll stop talking about them,
No you won't. You love it.
when they stop being crazy and insisting on fucking around with kids and demanding to be treated like biological women.
Yeah, that's not actually happening.
But again, this isn't about me leaving them alone. It's about me leaving YOU alone, and pointing out how stupid your arguments are. You just want me to stop pointing out how ridiculous you sound, because deep down inside, you know I'm right and you can't fucking stand it.
Lol. No.
 
Do leftists close themselves off from different viewpoints because they are leftist, or do people that hate other opinions just tend to gravitate towards modern leftism?

It is a common thing for right wingers to understand leftists but leftists completely having no idea about right wing ideology.
We are aware of your viewpoints. They're dumb.
 
Do leftists close themselves off from different viewpoints because they are leftist, or do people that hate other opinions just tend to gravitate towards modern leftism?

It is a common thing for right wingers to understand leftists but leftists completely having no idea about right wing ideology.
On this topic in particular, I feel like it's rare to find someone from the left or right to be honest about each side's positions.

Seems like a case study for partisan politics.
 
Because it's not really a physical science. There is biological evidence of physical causes, but ultimately gender is not biological.

It's a social construct.

It's not my fault you don't understand what that means.
ahhh bullshit, its not a social construct, trying to sound
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the fact you had a weak as piss attempt at mocking shows that you have no idea
 
I think you need to go to sleep. You are not even making sense. There are all kinds of correlations between biological factors and social factors. Not every correlation between gender and biology refers to sex. You can study, as some studies have done, relations between say gender and propensity for development of physiological conditions such as bulimia. Some genome-wide association studies (GWAS) have suggested genetic markers associated with gender identity, though no single "gender identity gene" has been identified. Variants in androgen receptor genes, for example, have been explored in relation to transgender identity.



All categories are invented, since they are products of human discourse, not innate.

There are no 'immutable' categories, not even fundamental categories such as a matter. Categories emerge in time and can be displaced, revised, or modified in a variety of ways. We change our categorial frameworks as our theories change, on the basis of research, new methods, experiments, and so on.

Gender is a category, and it is widely used to study phenomena across many sciences, including biology, sociology, psychology, philosophy, history, and so on. That you think you are in a position to say it is a 'fake' category shows an incredible amount of arrogance, and ignorance.

But the reasoning you give is actually even more tendentiously stupid.

The fact that there are always correlations between sex and gender does not mean that the category of gender is redundant or 'fake' (whatever that means).

Trivially, for example, the category "chimpanzee" will always be correlated to atomic physical structure. But it would be retarded to say that this makes "chimpanzee" a category that does not refer to anything that atomic physics does not already tell us. Or else, biology would be redundant. Similarly, every single individual of which gender is predicated is instantiated in a biophysical body, at least for now.

You can trivially name correlations between biology and gender that do not refer to sex:

All gendered individuals are members of the human species.

All gendered individuals have sensory organs.

That all gendered individuals are also individuals with a sex is a different issue, and trivially true.



Gender is not a species of the sex genus. Gender roles are not reducible to sexual developmental categories or their anomalies.

A huge part of the category of gender concerns social roles that are irrespective of sexual development: girls play with dolls, and boys like sports, and women belong in the kitchen are not biological facts, since they refer to the normative structure of social institutions, like toys, sports, and so on. The study of gender is also the study of the institution, functioning and revision of these norms which include, but are not exhausted by, biological considerations.


Social constructs are correlated to biological factors, as I've already mentioned. Hormonal production is one set of factors. Others include anatomical ones. Here is another example from another study:

Findings from neuroimaging studies focusing on brain structure suggest that the brain phenotypes of trans women (MtF) and trans men (FtM) differ in various ways from control men and women with feminine, masculine, demasculinized and defeminized features. The brain phenotypes of people with feelings of gender incongruence may help us to figure out whether sex differentiation of the brain is atypical in these individuals, and shed light on gender identity development. Task-related imaging studies may show whether brain activation and task performance in transgender people is sex-atypical."




If self identifying as whatever counts as insane, which is an empirical question, it does not entail that studying such self-attributions and their relations to a variety of factors is useless. In fact, we do study the physiology and psychology and behavior of ill, deranged, and maladapted people all the time.



I never said that, nor does that follow from anything I said.

I don't believe that is true, nor does anyone that I cited.

You're throwing strawmen because you are desperate.



Right, the entire scientific community are quacks.

But you have not a single study to show that indicates that the distinction between sex and gender is scientifically not credible.

Not one. You can't even write coherent sentences in English, and you think you are somehow smarter than the entire scientific establishment. And even more pathetically, you accuse those who try to share studies and information as "deferring to authority".

Well, if that is the case, I think that's a bit better than to believe that I know better than professionals.



If anyone believes that because someone says they are a cat they are a cat, they are either very naive, or have a very odd conception of identity. But you are talking about a subset of people at a very minoritarian extreme.

I don't think that one is what one says one is simply because one says one is. Also, cat is not a gender. But I'm sure you know this.

The question under what conditions are self-attributions of gender reliable? is not an easy question. I don't think self identification as being of a gender makes one a member of that gender because I think one can be wrong about one's gender, without this entailing that gender is equivalent to sex. I also don't happen to believe gender identities are semantically stable.
Dude, you're taking seriously studies where "Two Spirit gender" is a data point.
You're a fucking clown and any scientist that uses that as a data point is a clown as well.

Fuck outta here with that goofy shit.
 
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