Social Gender ideology is dying, common sense prevailing

[Loiosh]

It's always so funny when transphobes try to argue that a kindergarten-level understanding of gender is the most accurate.

It's such a a ridiculous self-own every time.

Congratulations, you have the same level of understanding as a small child in the 1980s.

They aren't talking to us, they're talking to each other.

 

[krelianx]

Man:
\
of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.

Jennifer Aniston cannot be a man.

You really are so exorbitantly dense you don't even realize what you walk yourself into:

1) A woman is an adult female.
2) A man is an adult male.
3) An "adult female" refers to an individual that can bear or produce eggs, which can be fertilized by males.
4) An "adult male" refers to an individual that can produce small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.
5) A sterile individual with XY-Chromosomes with the genetic, phenotypical traits associated with males cannot produce spermatozoa to fertilize females to produce offspring.
6) A sterile individual with XX-Chromosomes and the genetic, phenotypical traits associated with females cannot bear offspring or produce eggs that can be fertilized by males.
7) Therefore, sterile individuals with XX-chromosomes and the said traits cannot be adult females.
8) Therefore, such individuals cannot be women.
9) Therefore, sterile individuals with XY chromosomes and the said traits cannot be adult males.
10) Therefore, such individuals cannot be men.
11) Any member of the human species who is not a woman is a man (assumption of gender binarism and conflation of sex-gender).
12) Jennifer Aniston is an infertile individual who cannot produce eggs, or be fertilized by males.
13) Therefore, Jennifer Aniston is not a woman.
14) But Jennifer Aniston cannot produce spermatozoa or fertilize males.
15) Therefore,Jennifer is not a man.
16) Therefore, Jennifer Aniston is not a human.

Congratulations, you just provided the basis for an argument that all infertile individuals cannot be human.

 

[kflo]

Imagine that

What’s your conclusion?

 

[nonoob]

She is studying gender studies.

Really quick help for her is to save tuition money, just memorize #11 below.

11) Any member of the human species who is not a woman is a man.

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[krelianx]

They aren't talking to us, they're talking to each other.

I swear the degree of stupidity on display by some of these people justifies the extinction of the species.

 

[CatchnShoot]

Sure.

The Trans folks I know and the ones I see in public are still Trans men/women.
Nobody has disappeared, the Transphobes have just marginalized them even further than before.
Ignoring a population doesn't make them magically disappear though.... @Whippy McGee @cottagecheesefan @Fox by the Sea are all still here.

 

[SurferH2O]

Sure.

The Trans folks I know and the ones I see in public are still Trans men/women.
Nobody has disappeared, the Transphobes have just marginalized them even further than before.
Ignoring a population doesn't make them magically disappear though.... @Whippy McGee @cottagecheesefan @Fox by the Sea are all still here.

So now you can't tell the difference between a man and a woman? You make a fine Left Cult Democrat.

 

[CatchnShoot]

So now you can't tell the difference between a man and a woman? You make a fine Left Cult Democrat.

How did you get that from my post? Are you high atm?

It's easy for me: in my personal life.... if your gender identity is the most important thing in your life, chances are I don't have time for you in mine. It's just too boring, and attention seeking.

That goes for straight/gay/trans, whatever.

That does not mean that all those folks shouldn't have the right to the pursuit of happiness in their own way, and it also doesn't mean that professionally I would treat anybody any differently.

 

[Hog-train]

I’m not defending it you knucklehead. I’m criticizing the culture of nude spaces, especially ones that allow minors. YOU are defending allowing minors / kids in nude spaces with adults. While screaming pdf. It’s comical.

This is a you problem.

Korean/Russian/Turkish spas are a cultural norm in most major cities in America already.

Right, because nudity between adults and kids is totally fine and never had a bad outcome until recently….derp….

Yea there haven't been. The only news stories that came with this was due to the tranny's invading in recent years.

So we totally should be cool with bearded bald tatted up test filled people with a towel covering their private parts in nude spaces around kids…..(the wi spa he/she would have been a non-issue if he/she just kept his legs together since he/she was wearing a towel…..)

All of them require nude. On which space the transmen go to, it depends on the specific spa's rules. Some require transmen to go into the female space and some require it the other way around.

I have never taken my kids to such a place and never will. It’s NOT perfectly fine, to me.

I don’t agree with the “culture” that promotes nude adults with kids. That said, IF you have that culture, and you want it integrated with “American” culture (for better or worse), you open the door for issues. Including the issue of what “side” does a legit trans person use.

If you don't want it for your children, don't take them there. Pretty simple. No one cares what you do with your family.

For millions of others, it is completely normal. These type of baths are family places in many cultures. Korean spas are known for their family-friendly atmosphere, with many families visiting for a relaxing day out. Many spas offer kid-friendly amenities like water parks, play areas, or dedicated children's rooms and are literally meant for families to go there.

And it's already integrated into American culture. They exist in most major American cities.

Is it true that young children are allowed in either side with a parent?

Some spas allow kids younger than 7 to go with a parent on either side.

 

[krelianx]

You're the one who offered nothing in return when I addressed your points logically.

You said sex and gender are two different things. Ok let's take that for a fact (even though it isn't because it's just a subjective definition we're talking about).

Sports, spas, female only spaces - that is all dependent on SEX. Why aren't you addressing that point?

All the issues society has with trans issues is that people like YOU keep CONFLATING SEX AND GENDER.

So, sports, spas, female only spaces are determined as female only spaces on the basis of biological sex. Yes, for the most part. Though I have seen "gender neutral" bathrooms and whatnot. But for the most part, it seems to be sex that is in mind, for the spaces you mention.

Okay.

And how does that mean I am conflating sex and gender?

 

[Hog-train]

I’m not defending it you knucklehead. I’m criticizing the culture of nude spaces, especially ones that allow minors. YOU are defending allowing minors / kids in nude spaces with adults. While screaming pdf. It’s comical.

This is a you problem.

Korean/Russian/Turkish/Japanese spas are a cultural norm in most major cities in America already.

You seem to be confused how these spas work. There is typically a co-ed section where you have to wear the clothes given to you by the place. No outside clothes allowed due to sanitary reasons. This section includes food areas, lounging areas, and certain theme rooms such as rooms with beads all over the floor where you can lay.

Then there are the female and male only nudity required sections which have the hot and cold pools, baths, body scrub services, etc.…. These female only nude spaces is where the tranny activists have been suing and protesting to be allowed into.

Right, because nudity between adults and kids is totally fine and never had a bad outcome until recently….derp….

This has only become a media story after transwomen kept insisting on going into the female nude spaces.

So we totally should be cool with bearded bald tatted up test filled people with a towel covering their private parts in nude spaces around kids…..(the wi spa he/she would have been a non-issue if he/she just kept his legs together since he/she was wearing a towel…..)

All of them require nude. On which space the transmen go to, it depends on the specific spa's rules. Some require transmen to go into the female space and some require it the other way around.

I have never taken my kids to such a place and never will. It’s NOT perfectly fine, to me.

I don’t agree with the “culture” that promotes nude adults with kids. That said, IF you have that culture, and you want it integrated with “American” culture (for better or worse), you open the door for issues. Including the issue of what “side” does a legit trans person use.

So don't take your kids there. Pretty simple. No one cares that you have an issue with this.

For millions of others, it is completely normal. These type of baths are family places in many cultures. Korean spas are known for their family-friendly atmosphere, with many families visiting for a relaxing day out. Many spas offer kid-friendly amenities like water parks, play areas, or dedicated children's rooms and are literally meant for families to go there.

And it's already integrated into American culture. They exist in most major American cities.

Is it true that young children are allowed in either side with a parent?

Some spas allow kids younger than 7 to go with a parent on either side.

 

[kflo]

This is a you problem.

Korean/Russian/Turkish/Japanese spas are a cultural norm in most major cities in America already.

They are a cultural niche. Not a norm.

You seem to be confused how these spas work. There is typically a co-ed section where you have to wear the clothes given to you by the place. No outside clothes allowed due to sanitary reasons. This section includes food areas, lounging areas, and certain theme rooms such as rooms with beads all over the floor where you can lay.

Then there are the female and male only nudity required sections which have the hot and cold pools, baths, body scrub services, etc.…. These female only nude spaces is where the tranny activists have been suing and protesting to be allowed into.



This has only become a media story after transwomen kept insisting on going into the female nude spaces.

Do you think trans women should be forced to use the men’s nude spaces?

All of them require nude. On which space the transmen go to, it depends on the specific spa's rules. Some require transmen to go into the female space and some require it the other way around.

So the spa makes the rules? For both trans men and trans women and the entire spa?

So don't take your kids there. Pretty simple. No one cares that you have an issue with this.

lol. Yet it’s YOU who are suggesting that nudity around kids is pdf………..but only if it’s a trans woman. Otherwise, kids should see nude strangers……

For millions of others, it is completely normal. These type of baths are family places in many cultures. Korean spas are known for their family-friendly atmosphere, with many families visiting for a relaxing day out. Many spas offer kid-friendly amenities like water parks, play areas, or dedicated children's rooms and are literally meant for families to go there.

Which is cool. Except when the kids are in the nude areas……..around nude adults. Normal…..family friendly……..

And it's already integrated into American culture. They exist in most major American cities.

Again, it’s niche and mostly within the sub-culture of Korean, Russian, Japanese……..I grew up in queens, lived in ny my whole life and never knew they existed. You think it’s integrated because you are Korean….

Some spas allow kids younger than 7 to go with a parent on either side.

So to you it IS ok for girls to see an adult penis…..if they are accompanied by a parent and under 7 and the penis isn’t a trans woman…….

 

[Hog-train]

They are a cultural niche. Not a norm.

Cultural normal in several countries and present in most major cities in the US.

Do you think trans women should be forced to use the men’s nude spaces?

Dicks belong with dicks. The he/she's can fuck off trying to get their naked dicks in the female spaces.

So the spa makes the rules? For both trans men and trans women and the entire spa?

Yes. Pretty simple. Some spas are forced by the law to allow transwomen into the female spaces. Depends on the state/city.

lol. Yet it’s YOU who are suggesting that nudity around kids is pdf………..but only if it’s a trans woman. Otherwise, kids should see nude strangers……

I didn't say they were PDF files. I said the push by the trans community to enter private and nude female spaces and also stuff like drag queen story hour is why they get PDF file accusations.

Which is cool. Except when the kids are in the nude areas……..around nude adults. Normal…..family friendly……..

If they're with their parents, why is that a problem? If you think it's inappropriate, don't go. Simple.

Again, it’s niche and mostly within the sub-culture of Korean, Russian, Japanese……..I grew up in queens, lived in ny my whole life and never knew they existed. You think it’s integrated because you are Korean….

I grew up in Queens too. The several Korean spas in Queens that are very popular and large establishments and used by all ethnicities. So not this tiny niche you're trying to portray. A lot of people of different nationalities know about it.

So to you it IS ok for girls to see an adult penis…..if they are accompanied by a parent and under 7 and the penis isn’t a trans woman…….

You have a problem with basic English? I stated multiple times I'm against transwomen in the nude female spaces.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Lot of talk about spas and nudity here. If I was a tranny I would be very embarrassed and self conscious about displaying my body around others. Unless, of course, I was a flasher/exhibitionist who got a sexual thrill from doing that around the opposite SEX.

For me its simple - if you have a cock and balls you use the mens area. You don't put a penis into a vagina area for extremely logical and obvious reasons that cannot be refuted.

Cock and fake tits? Sorry you might need to avoid the spa until you fully transition. It's a luxury, it's not a fucking essential thing to do. Do without it til you've saved up enough government welfare to chop off your knob

 

[kflo]

Cultural normal in several countries and present in most major cities in the US.



Dicks belong with dicks. The he/she's can fuck off trying to get their naked dicks in the female spaces.



Yes. Pretty simple. Some spas are forced by the law to allow transwomen into the female spaces. Depends on the state/city.

But they are NOT forced by law to allow kids…….

I didn't say they were PDF files. I said the push by the trans community to enter private and nude female spaces and also stuff like drag queen story hour is why they get PDF file accusations.

lol. You don’t find it a bit comical that you are ok with 6 year old girls in a nude mens spa (since they can go to either side), but if you put a dress and lipstick on them and give them a children’s book, then it becomes sexual. THAT is when it’s pdf…..

If they're with their parents, why is that a problem? If you think it's inappropriate, don't go. Simple.

You feel this way about nude spas, where they are literally all naked, but not story hour…….

I grew up in Queens too. The several Korean spas in Queens that are very popular and large establishments and used by all ethnicities. So not this tiny niche you're trying to portray. A lot of people of different nationalities know about it.

It’s not a tiny niche if you are korean in an area of queens that has a large Korean population……

You have a problem with basic English? I stated multiple times I'm against transwomen in the nude female spaces.

You also expressed no issue with little girls in the men’s nude spa space.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

They aren't talking to us, they're talking to each other.

LMAO. you've got a guy in here having a massive meltdown and running away because nobody believes his schizo horseshit, another one putting people on ignore and yelling at people not to speak to him, but it's others that "are talking to each other". the only way your arguments survive is if you're never leaving your knitting club.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

But they are NOT forced by law to allow kids…….

lol. You don’t find it a bit comical that you are ok with 6 year old girls in a nude mens spa (since they can go to either side), but if you put a dress and lipstick on them and give them a children’s book, then it becomes sexual. THAT is when it’s pdf…..

You feel this way about nude spas, where they are literally all naked, but not story hour…….

It’s not a tiny niche if you are korean in an area of queens that has a large Korean population……

You also expressed no issue with little girls in the men’s nude spa space.

I do think it really comes down to the obsession with sexualising everything transsexual people do, similar to the way everything gay people did was sexualised in the past or further back everything black men did.

Really what it comes down to for me is looking at whats actually happening, I'v not seen anything more than a tiny handful of examples of transexual people carrying out abuse in "female spaces" and a lot of that I think you can put down to a general lack of care in areas like female prisons from authorities who are pretty far from "woke".

By comparison there is pretty strong evidence that trans women in a lot of mens spaces ARE at very significant risk of violence and/or sexual assault.

 

[Crazy Source]

You guys still homing in on cock?

 

[nonoob]

They just don't want dicks in the female space.

Wash Post says... never mind, female only athletics Finally Matter.

 

[Hog-train]

But they are NOT forced by law to allow kids…….

Yea they're being forced by law to allow the tranny's in the female space. That's the problem.

lol. You don’t find it a bit comical that you are ok with 6 year old girls in a nude mens spa (since they can go to either side), but if you put a dress and lipstick on them and give them a children’s book, then it becomes sexual. THAT is when it’s pdf…..

That's up to the parents. It hasn't been a problem for hundreds of years so...

You seem to not even know how these spas work or what they even look like so maybe you should just be quiet. There are only select places where the nudity is required - the bathing and pool areas.

You feel this way about nude spas, where they are literally all naked, but not story hour…….

No one cares what you feel.

It’s not a tiny niche if you are korean in an area of queens that has a large Korean population……

You also expressed no issue with little girls in the men’s nude spa space.

The majority of the clientele in many Korean Spas are not Korean. The largest one in Queens called Spa Castle mostly serves non-Koreans.

The one in New Jersey called King's Spa also has a large non Asian clientele. It is currently being sued by this transgender retard.

I don't know why these tranny's are so desperate to get into female only nude spaces when they have dicks.